This has been discussed loads over the years and I personally have never had a Mahin slip but then I leave 1/2 inch tag ends.
For example this thread the OP is having similar trouble with a back to back grinner and the general consensus being the Mahin knot is best LINK
For example this thread the OP is having similar trouble with a back to back grinner and the general consensus being the Mahin knot is best LINK
In reply to Post #31
I've never had a leader knot fail, if it does I think you must be hitting the clip very hard. Or you leader is not long enough, and the knot is taking strain on the cast. Which it should never do.
I've never had a leader knot fail, if it does I think you must be hitting the clip very hard. Or you leader is not long enough, and the knot is taking strain on the cast. Which it should never do.
In reply to Post #28
The materials used will have an impact on the knots performance. Perhaps with the 'right' materials, whatever they are, it stays tight with no slippage?
I'm having the same slippage issue, and still searching for a working solution. I had used 20lb Daiwa J Braid as the mainline with Nash 50lb shockleader. Tied together with back to back double grinner. I was extra careful with the knot. I left nice tag ends. After 10 casts it slipped, and my dot spod was gone.
I have been trying 30lb braid straight through, no leader, but i'm getting regular crack offs, and lost spombs.
Its frustrating. I'm not sure what to try next.
The materials used will have an impact on the knots performance. Perhaps with the 'right' materials, whatever they are, it stays tight with no slippage?
I'm having the same slippage issue, and still searching for a working solution. I had used 20lb Daiwa J Braid as the mainline with Nash 50lb shockleader. Tied together with back to back double grinner. I was extra careful with the knot. I left nice tag ends. After 10 casts it slipped, and my dot spod was gone.
I have been trying 30lb braid straight through, no leader, but i'm getting regular crack offs, and lost spombs.
Its frustrating. I'm not sure what to try next.
In reply to Post #33
I have wrote about the solution to this a few times in the past. Maybe search my previous posts.
I use a mahin knot and add a single overhand granny knot on each tag end about 1cm from the main knot.
This allows the knot to tighten down and slip until it buts up against the granny knot.
Tie the regular mahin, butt it up and tighten, and see what side it is slipping on, then add the granny knot and keep tightening until the mahin butts up and becomes solid.
It won't slip any further.
I have wrote about the solution to this a few times in the past. Maybe search my previous posts.
I use a mahin knot and add a single overhand granny knot on each tag end about 1cm from the main knot.
This allows the knot to tighten down and slip until it buts up against the granny knot.
Tie the regular mahin, butt it up and tighten, and see what side it is slipping on, then add the granny knot and keep tightening until the mahin butts up and becomes solid.
It won't slip any further.
In reply to Post #34
Why not tie a knot that doesn't slip rather than try to modify one that does.
Why not tie a knot that doesn't slip rather than try to modify one that does.
In reply to Post #33
I'm sure it's the material rather than the way you're tying the knot, just very surprised that a back to back Grinner is slipping on you. Definitely Banana Braid is a solution as it's not coated which I'm sure is the problem. Maybe others can chime in with similar lines that are uncoated that can get the dia you're after. The beauty of Banana Braid or similar is the ribbed sort of shape it has which stops any slippage problems.
These ultra thin braids make casting much easier than the thicker dia obviously do, unfortunately they've got their downsides, snap like cotton and most I've used are coated leading to slippage problems. I've not found the perfect combo as yet. As Halfcentury has mentioned [sure it was him] the only way around these coated braids is to get the coating off somehow, a small blob of superglue will also help.
Crackoffs:
I hope I'm not getting you to suck eggs here, when you're reeling in, make sure your line is under constant tension, like cupping the line as you would spooling up just before the spool. The line must go back on the spool with even tension, otherwise, bang, another spomb on the MIA list. It's best practice to loosen your clutch to take off the desired length of line for you cast under tension rather than taking line off the spool with the bail arm open as this is where things can go wonky and there's slack in the line which will definitely lead to you loosing a spomb. It's one of those things where you've got to pay close attention constantly to what you're doing when spombing, just that slight lack of awareness after pumping out your last spomb of a 10kg payload of goodness will lead to having that sickening feeling of another lost spomb.
Hope that in some way helps and that I'm not trying to talk down to you or being sarcastic, just trying to offer some help from personal experience. I know all too well how utterly annoying this all is, to the point I've wanted to yell at the top of my voice...you fugging cuuuuun-t 🤬🤬🤬
I'm sure it's the material rather than the way you're tying the knot, just very surprised that a back to back Grinner is slipping on you. Definitely Banana Braid is a solution as it's not coated which I'm sure is the problem. Maybe others can chime in with similar lines that are uncoated that can get the dia you're after. The beauty of Banana Braid or similar is the ribbed sort of shape it has which stops any slippage problems.
These ultra thin braids make casting much easier than the thicker dia obviously do, unfortunately they've got their downsides, snap like cotton and most I've used are coated leading to slippage problems. I've not found the perfect combo as yet. As Halfcentury has mentioned [sure it was him] the only way around these coated braids is to get the coating off somehow, a small blob of superglue will also help.
Crackoffs:
I hope I'm not getting you to suck eggs here, when you're reeling in, make sure your line is under constant tension, like cupping the line as you would spooling up just before the spool. The line must go back on the spool with even tension, otherwise, bang, another spomb on the MIA list. It's best practice to loosen your clutch to take off the desired length of line for you cast under tension rather than taking line off the spool with the bail arm open as this is where things can go wonky and there's slack in the line which will definitely lead to you loosing a spomb. It's one of those things where you've got to pay close attention constantly to what you're doing when spombing, just that slight lack of awareness after pumping out your last spomb of a 10kg payload of goodness will lead to having that sickening feeling of another lost spomb.
Hope that in some way helps and that I'm not trying to talk down to you or being sarcastic, just trying to offer some help from personal experience. I know all too well how utterly annoying this all is, to the point I've wanted to yell at the top of my voice...you fugging cuuuuun-t 🤬🤬🤬
In reply to Post #36
Could be a good idea but not me in this case.
Could be a good idea but not me in this case.
It's amusing how most people can tell you what rods, reels, lead size, line and testicle circumference Terry Edmonds has; but very few people reference what knots him and Hutch etc use.
A double uni/grinner actually comes out top in a test against other connections but with 10 turns instead of 5. Always worth consulting the people who actually require knot strength... link
A double uni/grinner actually comes out top in a test against other connections but with 10 turns instead of 5. Always worth consulting the people who actually require knot strength... link
The problem is not the knot, it's the other elements that lead to slippage and crack-offs, these have been previously mentioned, thin dial lines and coated braids especially thin ones will increase the chance off problems with slippage. I don't know any lines that have worked well for me yet but I'd try experiment which materials and knots work well or more look for a good specialist braid for sporting or marketing that doesn't cause problems and have the bad properties that will cause knot slippage.