In reply to Post #26
Refer to#4
The reason for the different degrees of offence charged are clearly because of the defence position. They'll argue about what the officer was thinking at the time. How scared for his own safety was he?Did he fear for his life? How trained for the situation was he? etc.
Refer to#4
The reason for the different degrees of offence charged are clearly because of the defence position. They'll argue about what the officer was thinking at the time. How scared for his own safety was he?Did he fear for his life? How trained for the situation was he? etc.
In reply to Post #29
Exactly
Exactly
In reply to Post #28
Chairman Mal, Spunker etc are all for freedom of speech as long as it corresponds with their beliefs, if not you're an idiot, racist or what ever the new Lefty buzz word is this week, proved beyond any doubt over the last week or so.
I tend not to worry too much about it, I and others know what they are and I sleep soundly in the knowledge that the twisted utopia they crave will never never happen in their lifetime if at all.
As for the trial etc, who cares, its the USA. As stated it will all end in tears and no doubt more deaths pretty pointless really. BUT it suits the Lefty's being a US story, where are all the twisted hippies and commies when it comes to the Chinese, North Korean's, Russia etc? Far greater crimes committed but not a peep.
Chairman Mal, Spunker etc are all for freedom of speech as long as it corresponds with their beliefs, if not you're an idiot, racist or what ever the new Lefty buzz word is this week, proved beyond any doubt over the last week or so.
I tend not to worry too much about it, I and others know what they are and I sleep soundly in the knowledge that the twisted utopia they crave will never never happen in their lifetime if at all.
As for the trial etc, who cares, its the USA. As stated it will all end in tears and no doubt more deaths pretty pointless really. BUT it suits the Lefty's being a US story, where are all the twisted hippies and commies when it comes to the Chinese, North Korean's, Russia etc? Far greater crimes committed but not a peep.
Point proven.... predictably
Anyway...
Heff- it would be nigh on impossible to find anyone to sit on the jury who hasn't seen the media coverage. Of all views. But they will be asked to make judgement on the cases presented to them which is the best the current system can ask for. It's flawed. We're saying the same thing I think even if we don't agree on the guilt of Chauvin.
In terms of a fair trial, Chauvin is at least getting a hearing prior to any judgement and sentence. Floyd didn't get that opportunity for a far lesser crime.
In terms of facts. There's credible footage of Chauvins actions that day. Unless the media are hiding some secret video where he didn't do it, then it's hard to argue really. I think he may end up being charged with manslaughter which is where I was saying I don't know how he can deny it. I think the US definitions of murder might differ from ours and the notion of premeditation isn't what many people think it is.
Anyway...
Heff- it would be nigh on impossible to find anyone to sit on the jury who hasn't seen the media coverage. Of all views. But they will be asked to make judgement on the cases presented to them which is the best the current system can ask for. It's flawed. We're saying the same thing I think even if we don't agree on the guilt of Chauvin.
In terms of a fair trial, Chauvin is at least getting a hearing prior to any judgement and sentence. Floyd didn't get that opportunity for a far lesser crime.
In terms of facts. There's credible footage of Chauvins actions that day. Unless the media are hiding some secret video where he didn't do it, then it's hard to argue really. I think he may end up being charged with manslaughter which is where I was saying I don't know how he can deny it. I think the US definitions of murder might differ from ours and the notion of premeditation isn't what many people think it is.
In reply to Post #34
Point proven.....predictably
Point proven.....predictably
In reply to Post #34
I think he may end up being charged with manslaughter
Not sure of US law but that's what I think will happen.
I think he may end up being charged with manslaughter
Not sure of US law but that's what I think will happen.
In reply to Post #34
I havent mentioned wether i think he is guilty or not. Its not my place to make that judgement, and i wouldnt without having all the facts. Im just fed up of people making judgements based on a video clip that shows only part of what has happened
Police officers make split second decisions all the time, they are judged for their actions by people with the benefit of hindsight, who have never been in that position, the same experts that know more about covid than scientists and doctors do.
We cant judge the man based on what we know.
Bodyworn footage that disproved the racist element of this incident was deliberately withheld by the district attorney, i believe his words were in the interest of justice. This wont be a fair trial, because it wasnt a fair investigation, and has been influenced by media and political agendas.
The media did not screen the morgan freeman and denzil washington interviews about racism and the police and the black community in america, because they did not fit the media narrative. Yet any lunatic with a left wing agenda got air time.
I havent mentioned wether i think he is guilty or not. Its not my place to make that judgement, and i wouldnt without having all the facts. Im just fed up of people making judgements based on a video clip that shows only part of what has happened
Police officers make split second decisions all the time, they are judged for their actions by people with the benefit of hindsight, who have never been in that position, the same experts that know more about covid than scientists and doctors do.
We cant judge the man based on what we know.
Bodyworn footage that disproved the racist element of this incident was deliberately withheld by the district attorney, i believe his words were in the interest of justice. This wont be a fair trial, because it wasnt a fair investigation, and has been influenced by media and political agendas.
The media did not screen the morgan freeman and denzil washington interviews about racism and the police and the black community in america, because they did not fit the media narrative. Yet any lunatic with a left wing agenda got air time.
In reply to Post #37
Good post that mate
I think the white man will get away with a light sentence and this in turn will cause global riots by mindless morons of all skin colours who do not know the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, just brainwashed by the media
The police officers duty is to uphold the law, could say he crossed the line with his heavy handed techniques but I do not know what the American handbook of policing approves. The flip side of the coin is that people like Mr Floyd with a track record are not angels as portrayed by the media, I would use the word **** to describe somebody of his nature, maybe a real nasty one?
Good post that mate
I think the white man will get away with a light sentence and this in turn will cause global riots by mindless morons of all skin colours who do not know the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, just brainwashed by the media
The police officers duty is to uphold the law, could say he crossed the line with his heavy handed techniques but I do not know what the American handbook of policing approves. The flip side of the coin is that people like Mr Floyd with a track record are not angels as portrayed by the media, I would use the word **** to describe somebody of his nature, maybe a real nasty one?
That false feeling of power matey felt kneeling on GF's neck will be a distant memory when the brothers catch up with him 
Lol
Not something I'll follow personally, I find it a bit tasteless. Just tell me the verdict
LolNot something I'll follow personally, I find it a bit tasteless. Just tell me the verdict
In reply to Post #37
Sorry but in this situation, with 4 police officers and a big guy incapacitated by a drug(s), restrained in handcuffs, it shouldn't take 9 minutes to sort out, not excatly a split second decision! Unlike past celebrity trials in the US e.g.O J Simpson, the 2 main lawyers are not trying to win an oscar, they seem like normal people. It is suggested that the trial could last 2 to 4 weeks, I think it has already been proven that Chauvin overstepped the line so are we going to have 1 to 3 weeks of character references stating what a great guy he really is? Any thoughts on what ace card the defence lawyer has up his sleeve to achieve a manslaughter verdict?
Sorry but in this situation, with 4 police officers and a big guy incapacitated by a drug(s), restrained in handcuffs, it shouldn't take 9 minutes to sort out, not excatly a split second decision! Unlike past celebrity trials in the US e.g.O J Simpson, the 2 main lawyers are not trying to win an oscar, they seem like normal people. It is suggested that the trial could last 2 to 4 weeks, I think it has already been proven that Chauvin overstepped the line so are we going to have 1 to 3 weeks of character references stating what a great guy he really is? Any thoughts on what ace card the defence lawyer has up his sleeve to achieve a manslaughter verdict?
I find it a pity that the fella never had a gun and then the four coppers could have turned the worthless piece of **** into a teabag and done the world a favour.
In reply to Post #40
Any thoughts on what ace card the defence lawyer has up his sleeve to achieve a manslaughter verdict?
Yep, he used what he deemed to be reasonable force and feared for his life, case closed
Any thoughts on what ace card the defence lawyer has up his sleeve to achieve a manslaughter verdict?
Yep, he used what he deemed to be reasonable force and feared for his life, case closed
In reply to Post #41
Crackers
Crackers
In reply to Post #40
I wasnt talking about this specific incident, i would have explained that, but thought what i had written was fairly clear. it was a general comment about people with no idea what they are talking about, ie experience in that field, holding people to account without even knowing the full facts.
I wasnt talking about this specific incident, i would have explained that, but thought what i had written was fairly clear. it was a general comment about people with no idea what they are talking about, ie experience in that field, holding people to account without even knowing the full facts.
In reply to Post #33
You care or you wouldn't have been arsed to type out your usual thin skinned terrified bile. Joe and his commie government will sort any problems out you're scared of .
You care or you wouldn't have been arsed to type out your usual thin skinned terrified bile. Joe and his commie government will sort any problems out you're scared of .