In reply to Post #30
Thanks pal and spot on too.
I hold a little soft spot for the late 80's & early 90's when I fished with my uncle in an actual tent (not many purpose shelters back then) with a candle and stove for warmth and a set up you kept pretty much forever. We used to 'Guest' on many lakes and catching a 10lb carp would make us superstars in the pub. No camera phones and any pictures we did take took months to develop as we had to wait until the camera was full. I got into fishing again to be a way to switch off and relax but found myself constantly swapping and changing tackle, always thinking there was something better because I had seen it on YouTube etc.
Just before the lockdown I literally sold 50% of my kit and now fish a very simple 2 rod set up, banned myself from buying more gear and joined a new water with a great bunch of lads and none of the drama. It has worked wonders.
Thanks pal and spot on too.
I hold a little soft spot for the late 80's & early 90's when I fished with my uncle in an actual tent (not many purpose shelters back then) with a candle and stove for warmth and a set up you kept pretty much forever. We used to 'Guest' on many lakes and catching a 10lb carp would make us superstars in the pub. No camera phones and any pictures we did take took months to develop as we had to wait until the camera was full. I got into fishing again to be a way to switch off and relax but found myself constantly swapping and changing tackle, always thinking there was something better because I had seen it on YouTube etc.
Just before the lockdown I literally sold 50% of my kit and now fish a very simple 2 rod set up, banned myself from buying more gear and joined a new water with a great bunch of lads and none of the drama. It has worked wonders.
With all respect, slot of the famous anglers did not really get stuck in at school.
In reply to Post #29
Yes £400 is extortionate for a pod (there are even some around £600-700) especially if you look at what the parts actually cost and mass production pretty much drops labour costs to nothing so the mark up will be unbelievably massive.
I'm afraid this simply isn't correct. Do you think these parts just appear out of thin air? A raw billet of stainless or aluminium turns up at the factory, for free obviously, everyone does a magic little jig, says a spell and whhooosh theres another box of bank sticks.
Have you got any idea what those CNC machines cost and how many of them you need to turn out any volume? Do you know what a CNC mill operator earns? It's millions of pounds to kit out the factory. Then theres all the office staff, the building, the utilities, the insurances, distribution, production staff, or do you think the guy that turns the metal screws it all together as well?, packaging, sales blah blah blah. Oh and dont forget all the out sourced labour as well, like platers and injection moulders, they are all obviously all working for nothing out of the kindness of their hearts just so the tackle manufacturers can make massive mark ups.
I tell you what, if you can find all these skilled engineering staff who's labour cost is nothing, do me a favour and pass me their number, I know loads of places that will let them work for **** all.
It's been a long time since ive read such a croc of **** on here.
Yes £400 is extortionate for a pod (there are even some around £600-700) especially if you look at what the parts actually cost and mass production pretty much drops labour costs to nothing so the mark up will be unbelievably massive.
I'm afraid this simply isn't correct. Do you think these parts just appear out of thin air? A raw billet of stainless or aluminium turns up at the factory, for free obviously, everyone does a magic little jig, says a spell and whhooosh theres another box of bank sticks.
Have you got any idea what those CNC machines cost and how many of them you need to turn out any volume? Do you know what a CNC mill operator earns? It's millions of pounds to kit out the factory. Then theres all the office staff, the building, the utilities, the insurances, distribution, production staff, or do you think the guy that turns the metal screws it all together as well?, packaging, sales blah blah blah. Oh and dont forget all the out sourced labour as well, like platers and injection moulders, they are all obviously all working for nothing out of the kindness of their hearts just so the tackle manufacturers can make massive mark ups.
I tell you what, if you can find all these skilled engineering staff who's labour cost is nothing, do me a favour and pass me their number, I know loads of places that will let them work for **** all.
It's been a long time since ive read such a croc of **** on here.
In reply to Post #33
Oh I am sorry have I upset you there?? I would almost think you worked for one of these companies.
You can buy aluminium pods for less than £28 which must by your reckoning magically appear out of nowhere as it must be impossible for these to be made and sold at such a price (also making a profit as I am sure they do not make them for fun) with all these CNC operators on football player wages, using million pound equipment and having all the staff and overhead costs you mention. I believe there is a guy on this forum making pods (and from what I read blowing most of the other brands out of the water even after they are copying his designs.)
Now I am not saying these will have the same finish etc as some of the larger brands but less than £30 for a pod!!
Perhaps magic really is real
Oh I am sorry have I upset you there?? I would almost think you worked for one of these companies.
You can buy aluminium pods for less than £28 which must by your reckoning magically appear out of nowhere as it must be impossible for these to be made and sold at such a price (also making a profit as I am sure they do not make them for fun) with all these CNC operators on football player wages, using million pound equipment and having all the staff and overhead costs you mention. I believe there is a guy on this forum making pods (and from what I read blowing most of the other brands out of the water even after they are copying his designs.)
Now I am not saying these will have the same finish etc as some of the larger brands but less than £30 for a pod!!
Perhaps magic really is real
In reply to Post #33
Quick update. I can see looking on the forum that you have some affiliation with JAG so I honestly do apologise for my upsetting you as my comments were based on imported products where a quick google search shows I can by 5m of 316 stainless round bar (20mm) for around 200 Yuan (£25) as an end consumer so these companies who are mass producing (and buying bulk) will be getting far cheaper. 316 per KG is looking around 65 Yuan (£7.30 to an average consumer) and another quick search shows an average skilled labourer wage is around £7k per year with many reports I read stating that over 30% of the working population are believed to still be doing so under forced labour and earning less than £9 per day for 12-14 hours work. There must be some reason many UK companies move their production there
However I still do stand by my comments that £400 for a pod is excessive and £600+ even more so when there are so many other companies making products so much cheaper. I support UK manufacturing where and if you can hand on heart say that £65 for a bankstick with a camera attachment on the top or £60 for a couple of distance sticks is the best price you can make at and still be sustainable then I understand your frustration in my post.
Quick update. I can see looking on the forum that you have some affiliation with JAG so I honestly do apologise for my upsetting you as my comments were based on imported products where a quick google search shows I can by 5m of 316 stainless round bar (20mm) for around 200 Yuan (£25) as an end consumer so these companies who are mass producing (and buying bulk) will be getting far cheaper. 316 per KG is looking around 65 Yuan (£7.30 to an average consumer) and another quick search shows an average skilled labourer wage is around £7k per year with many reports I read stating that over 30% of the working population are believed to still be doing so under forced labour and earning less than £9 per day for 12-14 hours work. There must be some reason many UK companies move their production there
However I still do stand by my comments that £400 for a pod is excessive and £600+ even more so when there are so many other companies making products so much cheaper. I support UK manufacturing where and if you can hand on heart say that £65 for a bankstick with a camera attachment on the top or £60 for a couple of distance sticks is the best price you can make at and still be sustainable then I understand your frustration in my post.
In reply to Post #31
Similar to me. I didn't realise you had to take pictures of them until I started reading the AT lol. I started out with minimal gear and it's still how I prefer it today. It's about fishing for me, camping is a side line that needs to be done pending bite times for me, always has been, always will be
Similar to me. I didn't realise you had to take pictures of them until I started reading the AT lol. I started out with minimal gear and it's still how I prefer it today. It's about fishing for me, camping is a side line that needs to be done pending bite times for me, always has been, always will be
In reply to Post #33
You might need to check that again
I have worked in engineering all my life. The stainless tube used is very, very cheap, especially from China
The fixtures and fittings are a little more complex but with automated machining they can fire them out like bullets. Better still, just contract them out to an engineering business that runs a job shop, cheaper still, no overheads just cover the costs. Again, pence from China probably?
Might get some quotes!
CNC machine, XYZ company, for example, 20k if you want to go down that route. Conversational programming and ease of use, technology moves one, very simple to use nowadays. The skill element you mention has been designed out of it in a lot of cases. This route you are taking on a lot of overheads. I do not believe anybody would be this foolish would they!!!
I don't belive there will be many purely making fishing pods or started out making fishing pods It will probably be a transition or a sideline to their main workloads. Mind you, for what they can charge (£700!!!) it may be swing towards angling supplies
This is the real problem. There will be some who are making top quality products at a reasonable price, there will be some who are trying to flog cheap **** in the same category, that's what is really wrong, just screws the market up because of the greed and there will be some selling quality products at vastly over inflated prices because they can, but value is in the eye of the owner I guess
I had a RH pod in the past, did he have a machine shop, I had a JRC one in the past, do they have a machine shop? Probably Chinese crap?
Some companies, one in particular appears to be adding a very nice slice of carp tax for me but that's their choice and the anglers if they buy it. I know I won't. It's not the true value for me. I don't like carp tax, it's a rip off
The key point with all of this as I keep “moaning” on. When everything is a grand because it can be when the true value is around £50. Nobody should ever complain that fishing is an expensive pastime. People are seriously been ripped off. Their choice of course. Wonder how long away the £2000 tent is with a true value of around £60 because that's where all this is leading to, trust me!
Carpfishing is a million miles away to what it was for me. It's not about fishing it's about a falsified image driven by sales, greed and fame seekers where the must have products are all that matters, it's how you need to be seen, cause carpfishing cool in it. Fishing?, I did not realise it was about catching fish
You might need to check that again
I have worked in engineering all my life. The stainless tube used is very, very cheap, especially from China
The fixtures and fittings are a little more complex but with automated machining they can fire them out like bullets. Better still, just contract them out to an engineering business that runs a job shop, cheaper still, no overheads just cover the costs. Again, pence from China probably?
Might get some quotes!
CNC machine, XYZ company, for example, 20k if you want to go down that route. Conversational programming and ease of use, technology moves one, very simple to use nowadays. The skill element you mention has been designed out of it in a lot of cases. This route you are taking on a lot of overheads. I do not believe anybody would be this foolish would they!!!
I don't belive there will be many purely making fishing pods or started out making fishing pods It will probably be a transition or a sideline to their main workloads. Mind you, for what they can charge (£700!!!) it may be swing towards angling supplies
This is the real problem. There will be some who are making top quality products at a reasonable price, there will be some who are trying to flog cheap **** in the same category, that's what is really wrong, just screws the market up because of the greed and there will be some selling quality products at vastly over inflated prices because they can, but value is in the eye of the owner I guess
I had a RH pod in the past, did he have a machine shop, I had a JRC one in the past, do they have a machine shop? Probably Chinese crap?
Some companies, one in particular appears to be adding a very nice slice of carp tax for me but that's their choice and the anglers if they buy it. I know I won't. It's not the true value for me. I don't like carp tax, it's a rip off
The key point with all of this as I keep “moaning” on. When everything is a grand because it can be when the true value is around £50. Nobody should ever complain that fishing is an expensive pastime. People are seriously been ripped off. Their choice of course. Wonder how long away the £2000 tent is with a true value of around £60 because that's where all this is leading to, trust me!
Carpfishing is a million miles away to what it was for me. It's not about fishing it's about a falsified image driven by sales, greed and fame seekers where the must have products are all that matters, it's how you need to be seen, cause carpfishing cool in it. Fishing?, I did not realise it was about catching fish
In reply to Post #36
Agree mate. Unfortunatly I got suckered into the YouTube sensations for a short while, spent an absolute fortune on all the latest gear, ended up hating having to get it to my swim (even more so having to move swims should I not be on the fish or they move) and it started to become a chore just getting the car loaded up. Not to mention watching videos everynight, seeing new kit that I just thought I had to have
. I tend now to not watch a lot of the new videos on there and it keeps my money safe.
It has being a real trial and error process for me the last 12-18 months before I re assessed all my gear, filtered it right down and carry minimal kit now. I use a 2 rod setup with a spod/marker hybrid rod in a 3 rod holdall, on the outside I strap a landing net and sling. I am currently using the most uncomfortable rucksack in existence but it is a great size to fit all my kit in and for days sessions don't bother with a shelter or chair as my unhooking mat (Thinking anglers) is really well padded and has a waterproof cover I can sit on.
For over night sessions I use a brolly system (Fast & Light) but have not yet had to use the overwrap which lives in the car and would only really come out for emergencies and for quick overnighters I tend to just lay on the unhooking mat so again very minimal carry. I have a plastic box in the back of the car which houses spare gas, extra leads, spare terminal tacklet etc and that pretty much lives there for emergencies and under the passenger seat I keep all the extra parts of my pod should it ever be needed but tent to just use 2 4 stick singles setup for 99% of the time.
If I go for several days everything stays the same but I then add a bedchair, chair, barrow and baitboat which gives me a bit more stress but worth it for the extra comfort.
Agree mate. Unfortunatly I got suckered into the YouTube sensations for a short while, spent an absolute fortune on all the latest gear, ended up hating having to get it to my swim (even more so having to move swims should I not be on the fish or they move) and it started to become a chore just getting the car loaded up. Not to mention watching videos everynight, seeing new kit that I just thought I had to have
. I tend now to not watch a lot of the new videos on there and it keeps my money safe.It has being a real trial and error process for me the last 12-18 months before I re assessed all my gear, filtered it right down and carry minimal kit now. I use a 2 rod setup with a spod/marker hybrid rod in a 3 rod holdall, on the outside I strap a landing net and sling. I am currently using the most uncomfortable rucksack in existence but it is a great size to fit all my kit in and for days sessions don't bother with a shelter or chair as my unhooking mat (Thinking anglers) is really well padded and has a waterproof cover I can sit on.
For over night sessions I use a brolly system (Fast & Light) but have not yet had to use the overwrap which lives in the car and would only really come out for emergencies and for quick overnighters I tend to just lay on the unhooking mat so again very minimal carry. I have a plastic box in the back of the car which houses spare gas, extra leads, spare terminal tacklet etc and that pretty much lives there for emergencies and under the passenger seat I keep all the extra parts of my pod should it ever be needed but tent to just use 2 4 stick singles setup for 99% of the time.
If I go for several days everything stays the same but I then add a bedchair, chair, barrow and baitboat which gives me a bit more stress but worth it for the extra comfort.
In reply to Post #38
Sounds similar to me mate. I don't buy gear unless I really need it
Minimal gear too, as allways. It's about the fishing for me
Simple rule for me. Do I REALLY need it, can I afford it, can I find it cheaper elsewhere. Always does the trick
Often find I don't REALLY need it
Sounds similar to me mate. I don't buy gear unless I really need it
Minimal gear too, as allways. It's about the fishing for me
Simple rule for me. Do I REALLY need it, can I afford it, can I find it cheaper elsewhere. Always does the trick
Often find I don't REALLY need it