In reply to Post #30
I agree with most of that, although I would argue that ballistics also plays a part.
Round ball bullets don't travel as smoothly or as straight as a conical or pointed bullet, so it is with leads. Mind you in casting we don't have rifling on the barrel, so leads are more affected by wind as they have no additional spin to reduce wind push.
There is a but in that ballistics theory though and that is we are creating a wobble or even turn around with the lead. The line (run ring, or lead clip) is what creates the force as we cast, then it turns round in flight, with lead going nose forward.
I agree with most of that, although I would argue that ballistics also plays a part.
Round ball bullets don't travel as smoothly or as straight as a conical or pointed bullet, so it is with leads. Mind you in casting we don't have rifling on the barrel, so leads are more affected by wind as they have no additional spin to reduce wind push.
There is a but in that ballistics theory though and that is we are creating a wobble or even turn around with the lead. The line (run ring, or lead clip) is what creates the force as we cast, then it turns round in flight, with lead going nose forward.
In reply to Post #32
Yes bullets are pointed, and they spin on their bullet path, or ballistic trajectory.
But they don't have anywhere near the amount of initial 'wobble' & drag and resistance that a casted lead does - namely a thick shock leader/mainline attached behind it,being affected by possible, windy conditions.
Great Technique and release point is key - We all know that casting at 45 degrees gives maximum height/distance.
Smaller hookbaits create less drag.
Shorter hooklinks cast further than long ones, again less drag.
Shortest, and safest, shockleader to a thin mainline, ideally braid, as it creates least resistance.
All in all it is just finding out what work best for each of us individual anglers, rules permitting, for getting that maximum distance, as and when required.
Yes bullets are pointed, and they spin on their bullet path, or ballistic trajectory.
But they don't have anywhere near the amount of initial 'wobble' & drag and resistance that a casted lead does - namely a thick shock leader/mainline attached behind it,being affected by possible, windy conditions.
Great Technique and release point is key - We all know that casting at 45 degrees gives maximum height/distance.
Smaller hookbaits create less drag.
Shorter hooklinks cast further than long ones, again less drag.
Shortest, and safest, shockleader to a thin mainline, ideally braid, as it creates least resistance.
All in all it is just finding out what work best for each of us individual anglers, rules permitting, for getting that maximum distance, as and when required.
In reply to Post #23
It wasn't any bog standard Harrison spod rod bud, it was the 13ft Trebuchet spod mate, so as specialised as it gets really.
It wasn't any bog standard Harrison spod rod bud, it was the 13ft Trebuchet spod mate, so as specialised as it gets really.
In reply to Post #34
Some really interesting posts below...
I am currently looking at getting a rod purely for the benefit of practicing my distance casting. I live abroad close to the beach, no carp fishing locally so want to practice casting when I have some spare time....
Can anyone comment on the benefits of the Trebechet vs Lite versions? I understand the Lite is a bit easier to compress vs the standard Trebechet but for someone who is looking to work on maximum distance would anyone recommend any other rods?
Cheers
Some really interesting posts below...
I am currently looking at getting a rod purely for the benefit of practicing my distance casting. I live abroad close to the beach, no carp fishing locally so want to practice casting when I have some spare time....
Can anyone comment on the benefits of the Trebechet vs Lite versions? I understand the Lite is a bit easier to compress vs the standard Trebechet but for someone who is looking to work on maximum distance would anyone recommend any other rods?
Cheers
In reply to Post #35
Free Spirit Hi-S 200....is also a distance beast, capable of +200yrds in the right hands.
Free Spirit Hi-S 200....is also a distance beast, capable of +200yrds in the right hands.
In reply to Post #35
Fox Horizon x5 13 ft
Sonik dominator x 13 ft.
Shimano intensitie 13 ft
Free spirit ctx 13 ft
Daiwa infinity x45 13 ft
Century c2-d 13 ft
The list is never ending almost all modern carp rods with a bit of backbone will cast huge distances, the weak point is the Angler not the gear.
All those rods above will cast 165 yds + some can be had for £90 some £550 + it really is up to you to decide on where your cash goes,mine went middle of the road rods ( Shimano tx 9 ) and ive had 2 casting lessons.
Went from a maximum cast of 130yds with a good wind to casting 160yds into a head wind with a baited chod rig, i think the £200 ive spent on casting tuition was better value than buying the more expensive rods and just hoping they added yards.
Fox Horizon x5 13 ft
Sonik dominator x 13 ft.
Shimano intensitie 13 ft
Free spirit ctx 13 ft
Daiwa infinity x45 13 ft
Century c2-d 13 ft
The list is never ending almost all modern carp rods with a bit of backbone will cast huge distances, the weak point is the Angler not the gear.
All those rods above will cast 165 yds + some can be had for £90 some £550 + it really is up to you to decide on where your cash goes,mine went middle of the road rods ( Shimano tx 9 ) and ive had 2 casting lessons.
Went from a maximum cast of 130yds with a good wind to casting 160yds into a head wind with a baited chod rig, i think the £200 ive spent on casting tuition was better value than buying the more expensive rods and just hoping they added yards.
In reply to Post #37
Cheers lads, that gives me something to go on. Fully intend on doing a lesson with Terry once I get some time!
Cheers lads, that gives me something to go on. Fully intend on doing a lesson with Terry once I get some time!
In reply to Post #37
I use c2d's and they are fantastic rods
my mate also uses them and is a lot better at casting then me and puts a bait 190 plus
I did a bit with hutchy casting the ctx's and was well impressed with them to be fair
also terry Edmonds is getting great distances with the shimano range although he could cast a chopstick 160 lol
I use c2d's and they are fantastic rods
my mate also uses them and is a lot better at casting then me and puts a bait 190 plus
I did a bit with hutchy casting the ctx's and was well impressed with them to be fair
also terry Edmonds is getting great distances with the shimano range although he could cast a chopstick 160 lol
Very much depends on the individual imo.
Thing I don't get is I can cast my 4.5TC FS Spod rod miles but when it comes to fishing rods my limit is a Torrix TE, I lose distance going up to bigger rods like Treb lights. never quite worked that one out.
Thing I don't get is I can cast my 4.5TC FS Spod rod miles but when it comes to fishing rods my limit is a Torrix TE, I lose distance going up to bigger rods like Treb lights. never quite worked that one out.
In reply to Post #40
I found going down in lead size helped with my casting,i did the lessons ect and was hitting 160 for a while but found when I went down from 5 to 4 ounce I was able to move the rod quicker
I found going down in lead size helped with my casting,i did the lessons ect and was hitting 160 for a while but found when I went down from 5 to 4 ounce I was able to move the rod quicker
In reply to Post #41
yeah same I can get further with 3.5 than 4.0.
that said my limit is about 145 yards with a baited rig and TE.
yeah same I can get further with 3.5 than 4.0.
that said my limit is about 145 yards with a baited rig and TE.
In reply to Post #42
still a decent cast mate
I can never really be bothered to go to a field to practice and its one of those things you need practice with
annoyingly a mate of mine just picks up the rod and beasts it silly distances with no real technique
still a decent cast mate
I can never really be bothered to go to a field to practice and its one of those things you need practice with
annoyingly a mate of mine just picks up the rod and beasts it silly distances with no real technique
In reply to Post #43
cheers I think most can do that with correct technique but you need a bit more talent to reach 170-180. I know a few who can and they make it look effortless.
cheers I think most can do that with correct technique but you need a bit more talent to reach 170-180. I know a few who can and they make it look effortless.