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Ukraine and Russia (447 posts / 20,171 views)
clicky clicky
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Post #347 12 Mar 2022 19:15
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maybe they are, but I was brought up to respect my queen and country.. no fault of mine like yours supporting Putin..
TeeCee
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Post #348 12 Mar 2022 20:19
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Where have I said that I support Putin?

You're conflating reasoning, rationalization, comparisons and then whatever else that you might be making up in your head, to then equate support; you're incorrect with those assumptions.

I've said that I can see why he (Putin) invaded, that's very, very different to saying I support him.

So we're all clear: I don't think Putin should have invaded - I can see why he did given he was pushed into a corner by the US and by extension NATO - I don't want to see Ukrainian soldiers die, nor Ukrainian civilians die, nor do I want to see Russian soldiers die. I'm anti war.
Andydave
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Post #349 12 Mar 2022 21:25
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The thing is Putin has changed his mind on a few times on the reasons why he has invaded. If you have a story, then surely you stick to it, not change it when things arent quite going the way you think they are.
mal mal
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Post #350 12 Mar 2022 23:22
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You're asking the wrong audience on that one...

If you're not careful you'll get labelled a virtue signalling lefty ...

(We have badges and meet via zoom every second Thursday)

Anyway...

This for anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/12/gove-bids-to-end-ukrainian-refugee-chaos-with-350-cash-for-rooms-offer
noj
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Social photographer...
Social photographer... Post #351 13 Mar 2022 08:31
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That scheme looks like a success waiting to happen. I mean nobody would exploit the system and scam millions, that never happens.
The same system wouldn't house women and children with potential rapists or murderers either.

Will the annual vslwt conference have plant based vol au vents and neutral restrooms this year?
You made a bit of a scene, didn't you
AndersonPol
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Post #352 13 Mar 2022 08:46
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Mark Dice (YouTube) always has a humorous yet prescient take on the idiocracy infesting the Woke Woke West.
mal mal
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Post #353 13 Mar 2022 09:38
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It was the long hair noj. Very confusing

As always your little nuggets of sunshine illuminate the issue. At least you don't assume all the orphaned kids are coming to put novichok in the reservoirs...

It's a potential first step with a LOT of questions but better than telling people to go to non existent visa centres in a range of French towns eh?
Rez Rez
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Post #354 13 Mar 2022 10:15
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Haha. All the Covid experts / virologists are now extending their generosity and activating their recently dormant Soviet history knowledge, and knowledge from their political degrees in Eastern Europe. (and it seems the Middle East, as well).

I really should have looked here for the latest news these past two years. Never knew we were in the presence of such intellectual prowess. Its amazing that so many are outwitted by a fish with a brain the size of your thumb nail as much as they are. But there you go.


mal mal
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Post #355 13 Mar 2022 11:06
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Great Post

It was funny the first couple of times others said it too

Thank god you popped by eh?
ocelot ocelot
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Post #356 13 Mar 2022 12:55
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"I've said that I can see why he (Putin) invaded, that's very, very different to saying I support him."

It's not really though is it. You add weight to legitimizing the actions by claiming to understanding the why.
TeeCee
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Post #357 13 Mar 2022 17:53
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Copy pasta from the BBC which sounds promising...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60717902

"Hints of progress at talks?

Hugo Bachega

BBC News, Lviv

Are Russians and Ukrainians making progress in their talks about the war? We've been given some indications that maybe they are.

“I think that we'll achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” Mykhailo Podolyak, a Ukrainian negotiator and adviser to President Volodymir Zelensky, said.

He cautioned, however, that Ukraine would not “concede in principle on any positions”.

“Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively,” he added.

From Russia, Leonid Slutsky was quoted as saying: “According to my personal expectations, this progress may grow in the coming days into a joint position of both delegations, into documents for signing.”

The comments are a bit encrypted, and this can be seen as a sign of how difficult these negotiations are. And there was no detail on what exactly they're talking about. Ceasefire? End of the war? And what exactly are their demands at the negotiation table?

Both sides have already held three rounds of talks in Belarus, which focused mainly on humanitarian issues.

It's day 18 of the war. Thousands of civilians are in desperate need of aid. Dozens are still dying every day. A deal to end all of this couldn't come soon enough."
jhhilton1983 jhhilton1983
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Post #358 13 Mar 2022 18:40
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It wreaks of the old Henry Ford analogy of "You can have any color you want so long as it's black."

We are always happy to sit down and talk as long as you agree to everything we want.
AndersonPol
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Post #359 13 Mar 2022 18:55
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Nazis? What Nazis?

https://lecourrierdesstrateges.fr/2022/03/12/facebook-autorise-temporairement-les-appels-a-la-haine-et-au-meurtre-contre-larmee-russe-et-poutine-meme-du-groupe-neo-nazi-azov/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=facebook-autorise-temporairement-les-appels-a-la-haine-et-au-meurtre-contre-larmee-russe-et-poutine-meme-du-groupe-neo-nazi-azov
noj
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Social photographer... Post #360 13 Mar 2022 19:13
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‘They' use zyklon b don't they?
TeeCee
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Post #361 13 Mar 2022 19:27
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I've not seen anyone claim that they're an expert on Covid or the war in Ukraine. If you can point me to where these so called experts are, as clearly thats escaped me, I'll be glad to see it.

What you might be seeing is people discus current events, search out relevant information, they might even have some deep insight or interest in a certain subject, and then post them on these boards. You see, not everyone watches mindless TeeVee soaps, celebrity garbage, empty, vacuous music or are informed by the vomit passed on as news these days; maybe that might be a surprise to you?

Something else worth musing over is that although someone might not be able to describe in detail the exacting measurements of an internal combustion engine, hell, even be able to design one, that shouldn't be any disclaimer from being able to grasp the concepts, or is it that only 'experts' can chime in on, and the mindless vassals should just quit their silly little voices in their heads and leave the mega brain 'experts' to opine?
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