In reply to Post #15
With tigers and avoiding hooking smaller fish in my case on the river lot trying not to hook chub,barbel and bream i would just use bigger stacks of them tipped with cork to stand it up and would think nothing of using 10 tigers on the stack.
With boilies double baits are a lot better in avoiding hooking smaller fish but i have still caught chub barbel and bream on double 24mm baits, but no doubt all the single free bait was taken
With tigers and avoiding hooking smaller fish in my case on the river lot trying not to hook chub,barbel and bream i would just use bigger stacks of them tipped with cork to stand it up and would think nothing of using 10 tigers on the stack.
With boilies double baits are a lot better in avoiding hooking smaller fish but i have still caught chub barbel and bream on double 24mm baits, but no doubt all the single free bait was taken
'Forgotten Flavours' do some fantastic 28mm hard hookbaits in various old school flavours.
Baitworks do 24mm baits. They also made me a kilo of 24mm hard hookbaits as well, just ask them.
I'm about to roll a kilo of 24mm hookbaits in an attempt to keep some of the smaller bream at bay,
Won't be stopping all of them, I had a hefty slab a couple of days ago and I have no doubt that they could fit a 30mm bait in their mouths.
The only questions- a 90 second dunk and leave the middle pasty, wrap paste around a harder 18mm core and blanch the outer layer. Or just make 30 x 24 barrels.
Won't be stopping all of them, I had a hefty slab a couple of days ago and I have no doubt that they could fit a 30mm bait in their mouths.
The only questions- a 90 second dunk and leave the middle pasty, wrap paste around a harder 18mm core and blanch the outer layer. Or just make 30 x 24 barrels.
In reply to Post #19
I'd give 24mms a proper 2.5 to 3 minute boil. If soft and pasty then the bream will eat them too easily, and a paste wrap will be dinner bell time! Got to make the freebies less easy to eat.
Obviously avoid pellet and particle too.
A carp of 15lb+ will have no trouble with 24mm baits.
I'd give 24mms a proper 2.5 to 3 minute boil. If soft and pasty then the bream will eat them too easily, and a paste wrap will be dinner bell time! Got to make the freebies less easy to eat.
Obviously avoid pellet and particle too.
A carp of 15lb+ will have no trouble with 24mm baits.
In reply to Post #20
Hardness of baits isn't an issue, the baits are firm ( homemade V2.0.2 already) but not rock hard and have remained on the hair even after 8 hours of single bleeps and aborted takes.
Hookbaits are coming back in whole but the outermost baits have definitely seen some movement on the hair.
Also I'm day only so there is no need to have baits that resist the bream for 24 hours+. to hell with that bip...bip...bip-bip rigmarole all night.
Just one that isn't jammed in the mouth of a persistent 3lb snotty.
My (over) thinking was a good simmered 'crust' and soft inner or alternatively, 18mm core & a softer outer made with water, albumen & blood ( cooked not paste wrap).
Two stage cooking.
Fairly convinced that the soluability of the bait is key.
Besides making the baits less attractive and giving them a bit more to choke on I don't think there is anything I can do about the doubles with industrial hoover sized mouths.
I think there is a need to create a feeding situation, not drawing a definitive conclusion but tigers and frugal use of shelfies seems to be the norm.
Hardness of baits isn't an issue, the baits are firm ( homemade V2.0.2 already) but not rock hard and have remained on the hair even after 8 hours of single bleeps and aborted takes.
Hookbaits are coming back in whole but the outermost baits have definitely seen some movement on the hair.
Also I'm day only so there is no need to have baits that resist the bream for 24 hours+. to hell with that bip...bip...bip-bip rigmarole all night.
Just one that isn't jammed in the mouth of a persistent 3lb snotty.
My (over) thinking was a good simmered 'crust' and soft inner or alternatively, 18mm core & a softer outer made with water, albumen & blood ( cooked not paste wrap).
Two stage cooking.
Fairly convinced that the soluability of the bait is key.
Besides making the baits less attractive and giving them a bit more to choke on I don't think there is anything I can do about the doubles with industrial hoover sized mouths.
I think there is a need to create a feeding situation, not drawing a definitive conclusion but tigers and frugal use of shelfies seems to be the norm.
Well nothing definite apart from the fact that the brasem can't leave any size fishmeal boilie untouched.
The l/h rod was baited with a single 24 & 2 bait stringer and fished 15ft off a spot baited with 16s & 18s, they rolled it around for four hours until finally one about 12oz. got a size 4 outside the mouth.
And another one under 2lbs on double 18s - it dropped off a rod length out..
The l/h rod was baited with a single 24 & 2 bait stringer and fished 15ft off a spot baited with 16s & 18s, they rolled it around for four hours until finally one about 12oz. got a size 4 outside the mouth.
And another one under 2lbs on double 18s - it dropped off a rod length out..
In reply to Post #22
As you've seen, even the small bream can eventually suck the hook in after continually mouthing the bait. The big thing is that the freebies are safe, and thats why you also need to just feed 24mm baits and sit on it.
Big hooks, crude but effective rigs, hard baits that they can't suck on.
As you've seen, even the small bream can eventually suck the hook in after continually mouthing the bait. The big thing is that the freebies are safe, and thats why you also need to just feed 24mm baits and sit on it.
Big hooks, crude but effective rigs, hard baits that they can't suck on.
In reply to Post #23
Experiment was undertaken and proven on day one
Tangle free rigs too
Experiment was undertaken and proven on day one
Tangle free rigs too