In reply to Post #4
I find that different some sessions they really want a certain feed colour / one bait does more takes and more often than not subsequently switching hookbaits captures yet more fish. I do feel variety can stop fish from spooking off bait as well. plus having a contrast of colours means you're more likely to engage that visual response from the fish ( in my opinion ), I've done it with one bait in the past as a kid, proper basic bait but one batch had titanium dioxide in to make them grey / white, the original batch was brown, and then a small amount of titanium dioxide and paprika made the bait red as well. it meant as a kid I could have one basemix mixed up in a bucket but add variety with minimum fuss, that visual aspect definately outfished one bait to be fair
I find that different some sessions they really want a certain feed colour / one bait does more takes and more often than not subsequently switching hookbaits captures yet more fish. I do feel variety can stop fish from spooking off bait as well. plus having a contrast of colours means you're more likely to engage that visual response from the fish ( in my opinion ), I've done it with one bait in the past as a kid, proper basic bait but one batch had titanium dioxide in to make them grey / white, the original batch was brown, and then a small amount of titanium dioxide and paprika made the bait red as well. it meant as a kid I could have one basemix mixed up in a bucket but add variety with minimum fuss, that visual aspect definately outfished one bait to be fair
In reply to Post #16
Titanium Dioxide is not permitted for use in feed baits; it can only legally be used to in hookbaits that are not ingested by fish. This is also the case for dyes such as Allura Red, Sunset Yelow, Tartrazine and Carmoisine, despite the fact that some bait makers continue to illegally use these products in boilies.
Anybody using these products in feed baits risks the attention of Trading Standards and the withdrawal of their Feed Hygiene Approval number, which is a prerequisite for legally compliant bait manufacture.
I entirely agree with your sentiment, expressed in other threads, that the less responsible parts of the bait industry should get their houses in order.
Titanium Dioxide is not permitted for use in feed baits; it can only legally be used to in hookbaits that are not ingested by fish. This is also the case for dyes such as Allura Red, Sunset Yelow, Tartrazine and Carmoisine, despite the fact that some bait makers continue to illegally use these products in boilies.
Anybody using these products in feed baits risks the attention of Trading Standards and the withdrawal of their Feed Hygiene Approval number, which is a prerequisite for legally compliant bait manufacture.
I entirely agree with your sentiment, expressed in other threads, that the less responsible parts of the bait industry should get their houses in order.
In reply to Post #17
In Europe?
In Europe?
In reply to Post #18
Yes, you are correct on TItanium Dioxide - it is banned in the EU and all animal feed products (inc feed baits) containing it must be withdrawn from the EU market by 20/06/22. In the U.K. it is still permitted, though undergoing re-evaluation.
The others are all NOT permitted at all for coarse fish feed baits in either the U.K. or EU.
Yes, you are correct on TItanium Dioxide - it is banned in the EU and all animal feed products (inc feed baits) containing it must be withdrawn from the EU market by 20/06/22. In the U.K. it is still permitted, though undergoing re-evaluation.
The others are all NOT permitted at all for coarse fish feed baits in either the U.K. or EU.
In reply to Post #19
The others you mention are all £30+ per kilo and a cheaper alternatives keep the cheap bait brigade happy. I'm aware of permitted feed colourants from some times playing about with my own version of robin red. I'd say most people arent aware of the bans through ignorance which isn't a defence but in all honestly if you work this game by yourself by the time you've finished a 10-12 hour rolling day and typed up invoices / done your trade orders etc it doesn't leave a lot of time for anything else, I didn't eat dinner until nearly 11 at night yesterday lol
Genuinely valid ingredients in hookbaits though, you can control how much, if any, that a colour bleeds etc from a hook bait. very handy.
The others you mention are all £30+ per kilo and a cheaper alternatives keep the cheap bait brigade happy. I'm aware of permitted feed colourants from some times playing about with my own version of robin red. I'd say most people arent aware of the bans through ignorance which isn't a defence but in all honestly if you work this game by yourself by the time you've finished a 10-12 hour rolling day and typed up invoices / done your trade orders etc it doesn't leave a lot of time for anything else, I didn't eat dinner until nearly 11 at night yesterday lol
Genuinely valid ingredients in hookbaits though, you can control how much, if any, that a colour bleeds etc from a hook bait. very handy.
I've found that some lakes fish well on sweet/nut baits and other lakes fish well on fishmeal baits. Usual clear weedy gravel pits do well on a fishmeal for some reason, and younger more commercial type lakes do well in sweeter baits. I'm not sure if this is down to the strain of carp or their natural food but it is definitely a pattern that I have noticed over the past 30 years.
If I'm fishing a new venue, or doing a France trip I fish a mix of both and generally find that one will outfish the other, so switch to just one type of bait.
If I'm fishing a new venue, or doing a France trip I fish a mix of both and generally find that one will outfish the other, so switch to just one type of bait.
In reply to Post #1
Give it a go Jon, I have been using up to 3 baits mixed it works as they did singularly, I thought that 3 different baits possibly releasing different signals had more going for them than one on it's own, something was bound to get a reaction! They were all fishmeal baits.
Give it a go Jon, I have been using up to 3 baits mixed it works as they did singularly, I thought that 3 different baits possibly releasing different signals had more going for them than one on it's own, something was bound to get a reaction! They were all fishmeal baits.
In reply to Post #22
I like to mix 2 baits, i think that 2 food signals can't be worse than one. Plus you could say some fish have a preference to one type of bait over another so a nut and a fishmeal combined covers more bases. No different to if your mixing boilies and particles together really 👍
I like to mix 2 baits, i think that 2 food signals can't be worse than one. Plus you could say some fish have a preference to one type of bait over another so a nut and a fishmeal combined covers more bases. No different to if your mixing boilies and particles together really 👍
Thanks for all the replies, I will definitely be giving two baits a go this season for a change, hopefully it may well lead to more bites!