In reply to Post #16
a plastic colander with a fish fry splatter screen will work with a bit of DIY.
Nice !!!
a plastic colander with a fish fry splatter screen will work with a bit of DIY.
Nice !!!
In reply to Post #15
How to hold bottom in fast flowing rivers ......My mate Steve Buss invented the "Pebble Rig " that we used on the Ebro back in the day to great success ...sadly i have lost all of my videos showing how to do this and Steve hasnt any on his old YT channel either
you need the flat rubber bands ( like what postmen used to use in the UK ) and flattish round pebbles / stones ( like the pebbles you would use for skimming stones across the water ) anything from 2oz ? to 5lb !!! ...attach a rubber band to a large swivel and just double the band over the pebble or criss cross it over in extreme flow
the only downside to this method is you can't cast it !! they have to be lowered either from the bank or a boat ...in our case it was always from the boat
obviously the faster the flow or further the distance the heavier the pebble ...we used it successfully upto 5lb and 800mtrs !!!
it is still in effect a bolt rig and either on the bite or you striking the pebble comes out of the band and the fish rises ...it was soo simple and soo deadly and never failed ...it was the best kept open secret back then ...and didn't cost anything and was enviromentally friendly .....no leaving leads behind !
sorry can't really help on getting the particles to the other than reiterate what other people have said
How to hold bottom in fast flowing rivers ......My mate Steve Buss invented the "Pebble Rig " that we used on the Ebro back in the day to great success ...sadly i have lost all of my videos showing how to do this and Steve hasnt any on his old YT channel either
you need the flat rubber bands ( like what postmen used to use in the UK ) and flattish round pebbles / stones ( like the pebbles you would use for skimming stones across the water ) anything from 2oz ? to 5lb !!! ...attach a rubber band to a large swivel and just double the band over the pebble or criss cross it over in extreme flow
the only downside to this method is you can't cast it !! they have to be lowered either from the bank or a boat ...in our case it was always from the boat
obviously the faster the flow or further the distance the heavier the pebble ...we used it successfully upto 5lb and 800mtrs !!!
it is still in effect a bolt rig and either on the bite or you striking the pebble comes out of the band and the fish rises ...it was soo simple and soo deadly and never failed ...it was the best kept open secret back then ...and didn't cost anything and was enviromentally friendly .....no leaving leads behind !
sorry can't really help on getting the particles to the other than reiterate what other people have said
In reply to Post #18
Hi Stephen,
I'm not too sure Steve invented that. I know where he may have got the idea from though.
Before we / they started drilling and gluing half swivels in we were buying used children's wetsuits and cutting the arms and legs to make the band's and that's where it all started
on the Labe, very late 80's possibly early 90's
Steve's pioneered a lot of stuff and deserves all the credit, but if he's claiming this?
Sorry, naughty puppy......
Best
Jon
Hi Stephen,
I'm not too sure Steve invented that. I know where he may have got the idea from though.
Before we / they started drilling and gluing half swivels in we were buying used children's wetsuits and cutting the arms and legs to make the band's and that's where it all started
on the Labe, very late 80's possibly early 90's
Steve's pioneered a lot of stuff and deserves all the credit, but if he's claiming this?
Sorry, naughty puppy......
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #19
Hi Jon
perhaps i should have worded my post a little better ....i gave the Steve the credit as i had never seen or heard of it before then and neither had any people that i fished with at the time so to us it was revolutionary
but i guess before the internet got really going people were really secret squirrells about things
so i do apologise for my bold claim
perhaps i should have said Steve's take on the Pebble rig ....but at the end of the day its a fantastic rig to use and caught me many carp back on the Thames lowering it into the white water in the weirpools ...people never did suss how i was doing it
i had a few messages correcting me lol
but one message from a mate reminded that there use to be a company that sold monster sized heavy duty PVA bags that were aimed at cat anglers you could get about 1LB of pellets in them but the downside was they were about a £1 per bag so we gave up using them... just too expensive when going through 30 or 40 a day !!!
and you had to remember to put plenty of holes in them or they would float away
not sure if their are any companys still doing this sort of bag ?
Hi Jon
perhaps i should have worded my post a little better ....i gave the Steve the credit as i had never seen or heard of it before then and neither had any people that i fished with at the time so to us it was revolutionary
but i guess before the internet got really going people were really secret squirrells about things
so i do apologise for my bold claim
perhaps i should have said Steve's take on the Pebble rig ....but at the end of the day its a fantastic rig to use and caught me many carp back on the Thames lowering it into the white water in the weirpools ...people never did suss how i was doing it
i had a few messages correcting me lol
but one message from a mate reminded that there use to be a company that sold monster sized heavy duty PVA bags that were aimed at cat anglers you could get about 1LB of pellets in them but the downside was they were about a £1 per bag so we gave up using them... just too expensive when going through 30 or 40 a day !!!
and you had to remember to put plenty of holes in them or they would float away
not sure if their are any companys still doing this sort of bag ?
In reply to Post #20
I was looking to use them sort of bags on the canal to get a lot of bait down in the near edge of the canal,I currently use pva bags around 4”x4” at least maybe a bit bigger but these I don't cast I just fill with a mix and some liquid and cover bag with liquid too so I got plenty going on in my prepared area
I was looking to use them sort of bags on the canal to get a lot of bait down in the near edge of the canal,I currently use pva bags around 4”x4” at least maybe a bit bigger but these I don't cast I just fill with a mix and some liquid and cover bag with liquid too so I got plenty going on in my prepared area
In reply to Post #20
Hi Stephen,
If you want to get a lot of bait on the bottom in flow and you're dropping in from a boat or similar situation try this..
You'll need a thicker plastic bag from the supermarkets, a "hold", I use an old round doorknob and string.
Put your hand in the bag and grab the "hold" in the middle of the bottom of the bag and turn the bag inside out whilst holding on. Tie the string around the "hold" to keep it in place and the turn the bag inside out again, job done.
Then fill the bag with your bait (as I mentioned earlier I've done up to about 3 kilos so far doing this). Make sure the string has no resistance when you drop the bag into the water, for me it's from a boat. You will get air coming out when you drop it and occasionally a few bits of particle, but the water pressure seals in the rest on the way down.
Then slowly pull on the string to retrieve and the bag turns itself inside out leaving all the groundball where you want it.
I've also done this before on a gin clear lake and ended up with a nice big particle donut on the bottom.
Highly effective, cheap as chips and re usable
Hope it helps
Best
Jon
Hi Stephen,
If you want to get a lot of bait on the bottom in flow and you're dropping in from a boat or similar situation try this..
You'll need a thicker plastic bag from the supermarkets, a "hold", I use an old round doorknob and string.
Put your hand in the bag and grab the "hold" in the middle of the bottom of the bag and turn the bag inside out whilst holding on. Tie the string around the "hold" to keep it in place and the turn the bag inside out again, job done.
Then fill the bag with your bait (as I mentioned earlier I've done up to about 3 kilos so far doing this). Make sure the string has no resistance when you drop the bag into the water, for me it's from a boat. You will get air coming out when you drop it and occasionally a few bits of particle, but the water pressure seals in the rest on the way down.
Then slowly pull on the string to retrieve and the bag turns itself inside out leaving all the groundball where you want it.
I've also done this before on a gin clear lake and ended up with a nice big particle donut on the bottom.
Highly effective, cheap as chips and re usable
Hope it helps
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #22
Jon
never heard of that before ...but what a great tip thanks for sharing
Jon
never heard of that before ...but what a great tip thanks for sharing
In reply to Post #24
This is a very old angling trick that was used by charter skippers at least 60 years ago. Chopped fish and bran soaked in oil usually. You can get the bait tight on the bottom in any depth. Who came up with it I don't know but it was a long time ago.
This is a very old angling trick that was used by charter skippers at least 60 years ago. Chopped fish and bran soaked in oil usually. You can get the bait tight on the bottom in any depth. Who came up with it I don't know but it was a long time ago.
In reply to Post #24
In reply to Post #25
Hi Lance,
V sorry if I made it sound like I came up with this because I certainly did not. Learnt it off a Wiley old guy when I was young, and I'm pretty sure he'd done the same
Best
Jon
Hi Lance,
V sorry if I made it sound like I came up with this because I certainly did not. Learnt it off a Wiley old guy when I was young, and I'm pretty sure he'd done the same
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #27
No problem Jon, no put down intended. Interesting thread. Not much new under the sun but good to pass on these old tips and tricks to the new troops. Works a treat though. Good luck.
No problem Jon, no put down intended. Interesting thread. Not much new under the sun but good to pass on these old tips and tricks to the new troops. Works a treat though. Good luck.
Hi All
Just an update on this for all those who replied and were interested which I'm very grateful for.
I don't think the problem is solvable.
The only thing that may be of interest is that I made some thick burger style patties using vitalin and some other ingredients. Once on the bottom they stuck in place really well and started to dissolve into "domes"? Which slowly released until they were spent. Hasn't solved the problem of stuff going everywhere, but at least I've got a central point of release now.
I know it won't affect the European, UK or EE guys, but the vitalin is attracting mud crabs, prawns and some other stuff.
I need to find a binder that's not meat or fish based if anyone's got any thoughts?
(I've tried the coconut thing, doesn't work at all)
Best
Jon
Just an update on this for all those who replied and were interested which I'm very grateful for.
I don't think the problem is solvable.
The only thing that may be of interest is that I made some thick burger style patties using vitalin and some other ingredients. Once on the bottom they stuck in place really well and started to dissolve into "domes"? Which slowly released until they were spent. Hasn't solved the problem of stuff going everywhere, but at least I've got a central point of release now.
I know it won't affect the European, UK or EE guys, but the vitalin is attracting mud crabs, prawns and some other stuff.
I need to find a binder that's not meat or fish based if anyone's got any thoughts?
(I've tried the coconut thing, doesn't work at all)
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #29
Any kind of sticky flour should do I guess?
You could load it with particles.
Mix it with gravel to adjust weight and add some soluble like sugar or salt to adjust breakdown time.
Any kind of sticky flour should do I guess?
You could load it with particles.
Mix it with gravel to adjust weight and add some soluble like sugar or salt to adjust breakdown time.
In reply to Post #30
What about corn syrup or a corn syrup/honey mix not sure how long it would last but i think colder water might solidify the mix a little making it heavier. Plus the attraction benefits are a major plus
What about corn syrup or a corn syrup/honey mix not sure how long it would last but i think colder water might solidify the mix a little making it heavier. Plus the attraction benefits are a major plus