Hi Barry,
I think the tiger nut issue is tottaly dependant on the size of the lake and the frequency and volume of input.
There was deffinately an issue and effect on carp weights when people where pumping 3-20 kilos into 5 to 30 acre lakes per week, and that's where the bans came in.
On the continent guys regularly put in 75-100 kilos in on the inland seas per week with no detrement to the size of fish or their health.
Peanuts for me are much like lead core, I've never understood
or felt i knew how to safely use either so I've always stayed clear.
Best
Jon
I think the tiger nut issue is tottaly dependant on the size of the lake and the frequency and volume of input.
There was deffinately an issue and effect on carp weights when people where pumping 3-20 kilos into 5 to 30 acre lakes per week, and that's where the bans came in.
On the continent guys regularly put in 75-100 kilos in on the inland seas per week with no detrement to the size of fish or their health.
Peanuts for me are much like lead core, I've never understood
or felt i knew how to safely use either so I've always stayed clear.
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #3
D.P.
D.P.
In reply to Post #1
In my view, it depends how much other bait is going in with them...
A few kg of boilie, few bags of corn, few kg of pellet, some seeds, then a kg of tigers mixed in isn't going to cause an issue... A kg of tigers on it's own though? Play the percentages... Common sense seems to escape some folk...
In my view, it depends how much other bait is going in with them...
A few kg of boilie, few bags of corn, few kg of pellet, some seeds, then a kg of tigers mixed in isn't going to cause an issue... A kg of tigers on it's own though? Play the percentages... Common sense seems to escape some folk...
In reply to Post #19
Eh? A kg of Tigers is still a kg of Tigers. Nothing to do with percentages. A kg of Tigers is a lot of nuts
Eh? A kg of Tigers is still a kg of Tigers. Nothing to do with percentages. A kg of Tigers is a lot of nuts
In reply to Post #20
in our patr of the world 10s of kg of tigers go in the lakes per day (heavily stocked lakes) and cant say it is doing any harm to fish... it all depends on stock, carp and other fish... personally dont use much but have no problems going with more on lakes like that...
in our patr of the world 10s of kg of tigers go in the lakes per day (heavily stocked lakes) and cant say it is doing any harm to fish... it all depends on stock, carp and other fish... personally dont use much but have no problems going with more on lakes like that...
In reply to Post #21
Heavily stocked lakes means that they are most likely spread over more fish, which inturn also eat plenty of other bits to supplement their diet. With a lower stock, or less other food, the health effects can be quite obvious. You really don't need all those anyway, less is more with Tigers. Love using them, but only in moderation
Heavily stocked lakes means that they are most likely spread over more fish, which inturn also eat plenty of other bits to supplement their diet. With a lower stock, or less other food, the health effects can be quite obvious. You really don't need all those anyway, less is more with Tigers. Love using them, but only in moderation
In reply to Post #20
It is. But think about it.
20 anglers on a lake, three rods each, that's 60 rods... Ten of those rods are fishing tigers, sensibly, there's the kilo. The other 50 rods are using a mixture of everything else, from single boilies, right up to a bucket of munga.
Stick 25kg of “other” in along with a kg of nuts, it is the exact same scenario, just done in one spot.
The problems come with volume and exclusivity.
Eating Maccies every day won't do us much good, but once a fortnight/month amongst a balanced diet won't do much harm.
Percentages, and common sense, like I say...
It is. But think about it.
20 anglers on a lake, three rods each, that's 60 rods... Ten of those rods are fishing tigers, sensibly, there's the kilo. The other 50 rods are using a mixture of everything else, from single boilies, right up to a bucket of munga.
Stick 25kg of “other” in along with a kg of nuts, it is the exact same scenario, just done in one spot.
The problems come with volume and exclusivity.
Eating Maccies every day won't do us much good, but once a fortnight/month amongst a balanced diet won't do much harm.
Percentages, and common sense, like I say...
In reply to Post #17
tim paisely's comments on peanuts were based on assumptions that were specific to birch grove ...
Sorry, but that is incorrect. Tim's (and others') findings were based on an increase in fish deaths in England from Cheshire to Kent. In particular, some home counties lakes suffered higher than normal deaths (Darenth a case in point) and on autopsy the fish were found to have oil-saturated livers. Not surprising when it was common to see recommendations of 5-10ml per egg in print.
tim paisely's comments on peanuts were based on assumptions that were specific to birch grove ...
Sorry, but that is incorrect. Tim's (and others') findings were based on an increase in fish deaths in England from Cheshire to Kent. In particular, some home counties lakes suffered higher than normal deaths (Darenth a case in point) and on autopsy the fish were found to have oil-saturated livers. Not surprising when it was common to see recommendations of 5-10ml per egg in print.
In reply to Post #24
You talking fish oils. Not peanuts Ken?
You talking fish oils. Not peanuts Ken?
In reply to Post #23
But when you think about the fact they don't get digested anywhere near fully so every kg that gets eaten most of it ends up back out being eaten again and again then it all adds up. Large quantities of Tigers are a no no , regardless of what other bait is with them
But when you think about the fact they don't get digested anywhere near fully so every kg that gets eaten most of it ends up back out being eaten again and again then it all adds up. Large quantities of Tigers are a no no , regardless of what other bait is with them
In reply to Post #25
Yes, my bad. Ignore me, I'm getting old!
Yes, my bad. Ignore me, I'm getting old!
In reply to Post #25
DP...See what I mean? I'm getting old!
On the other hand (if Karl will allow), there is THIS LINK.
DP...See what I mean? I'm getting old!
On the other hand (if Karl will allow), there is THIS LINK.
In reply to Post #1
How long is a piece of string? It depends on so many things - in summer, lots of fish on your bait, I'd easily do 5kg per rod, per day and I'll often add 2 to 3kg of peanuts to that (if permitted). They will eat the lot and what you're doing is creating competitive feeding, which in my experience draws in the bigger fish. Conversely, if you're fishing for bites, you'd drop levels right down to maybe a handful per rod. Middle of winter, I'd again tend to use small quantities. Horses for courses really. One water I'm on, which I only day fish, I'll take 10kg for the two rods and leave another 5kg in the car in case it's a Red Letter Day. Tigers are my favourite bait, nearly always out-fish people on boilies, winter accepted.
How long is a piece of string? It depends on so many things - in summer, lots of fish on your bait, I'd easily do 5kg per rod, per day and I'll often add 2 to 3kg of peanuts to that (if permitted). They will eat the lot and what you're doing is creating competitive feeding, which in my experience draws in the bigger fish. Conversely, if you're fishing for bites, you'd drop levels right down to maybe a handful per rod. Middle of winter, I'd again tend to use small quantities. Horses for courses really. One water I'm on, which I only day fish, I'll take 10kg for the two rods and leave another 5kg in the car in case it's a Red Letter Day. Tigers are my favourite bait, nearly always out-fish people on boilies, winter accepted.
In reply to Post #30
That's fine on an overstocked runs water with big numbers of fish
That's fine on an overstocked runs water with big numbers of fish
In reply to Post #26
Yes
Yes