In reply to Post #15
Again, you are right mate, re gets people talking, sadly though, i read that many stupid comments on this subject it puts angling in a bad light, so you could say it has a double edged sword.
Embryo are brilliant, ive worked alongside them for sometime now and they do a great good, as does Danny and his team. None of the major manufactures will take on the Otter subject for fear of backlash, so embryo just do what they need to without upsetting any wildlife groups. I don't see any of the other large firms, FOX, NASH blah blah doing anything constructive towards predation (forgive me if they do, i'm just not aware of anything)
Otter predation is an immensely complicated and emotive subject, one i've been around for a long time, and i actually spend far too much time on it, but perversely, i enjoy it. I do get sick and tired on "anti's" on both sides, i wish people would go out their way to understand issues on both sides of the fence, but sadly, these days, every one is an expert on FB etc and 99.9% are thick as pig
Again, you are right mate, re gets people talking, sadly though, i read that many stupid comments on this subject it puts angling in a bad light, so you could say it has a double edged sword.
Embryo are brilliant, ive worked alongside them for sometime now and they do a great good, as does Danny and his team. None of the major manufactures will take on the Otter subject for fear of backlash, so embryo just do what they need to without upsetting any wildlife groups. I don't see any of the other large firms, FOX, NASH blah blah doing anything constructive towards predation (forgive me if they do, i'm just not aware of anything)
Otter predation is an immensely complicated and emotive subject, one i've been around for a long time, and i actually spend far too much time on it, but perversely, i enjoy it. I do get sick and tired on "anti's" on both sides, i wish people would go out their way to understand issues on both sides of the fence, but sadly, these days, every one is an expert on FB etc and 99.9% are thick as pig
In reply to Post #14
Agree 100%. Really good post.
Agree 100%. Really good post.
In reply to Post #16
It took angling a long time to wake up to it, I suppose when the twitches have to join an angling club to find a bit of water with a healthy bird population the penny will drop.
On that note did you catch the story a short while ago about the Surrey sand Martin project? That looked like a lot of otter fodder should they find their way to that chain of lakes
It took angling a long time to wake up to it, I suppose when the twitches have to join an angling club to find a bit of water with a healthy bird population the penny will drop.
On that note did you catch the story a short while ago about the Surrey sand Martin project? That looked like a lot of otter fodder should they find their way to that chain of lakes
In reply to Post #18
Ive had a conversation with certain wildlife groups, and they rightly point out that domestic cats eat and kill more birds than otters do...will will see a ban on domestic cats...NOPE. Yet RSBP have fences up, predator fences, they would stop a lion getting in!
That begs a different question hey!
Ive had a conversation with certain wildlife groups, and they rightly point out that domestic cats eat and kill more birds than otters do...will will see a ban on domestic cats...NOPE. Yet RSBP have fences up, predator fences, they would stop a lion getting in!
That begs a different question hey!
In reply to Post #1
I mean this sums up the forces in the angling community pushing for this (clueless).
I mean this sums up the forces in the angling community pushing for this (clueless).
In reply to Post #20
indeed.
too be fair, ive not actually read the petition, i should, but havent wasted my time.
Whos actually put it together?
indeed.
too be fair, ive not actually read the petition, i should, but havent wasted my time.
Whos actually put it together?
In reply to Post #21
The Barbel Society chairman Steve Pope.
The Barbel Society chairman Steve Pope.
Remove the otter's protected species status
The Eurasian otter (Lutra Lutra) is now firmly established in the river systems across the UK and appear to be in far greater numbers than anyone can recall.
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We believe the protection afforded by a number of priority species lists and The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 should be removed as it is no longer appropriate, in order to protect and maintain a balanced riverine environment.
At least its a short one
The Eurasian otter (Lutra Lutra) is now firmly established in the river systems across the UK and appear to be in far greater numbers than anyone can recall.
More details
We believe the protection afforded by a number of priority species lists and The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 should be removed as it is no longer appropriate, in order to protect and maintain a balanced riverine environment.
At least its a short one
In reply to Post #20
As someone who has fished for barbel a lot over the years the plight of the barbel in small to medium size rivers is quite shocking. Once great barbel rivers such as the ouse, ivel, teme, cherwell reduced to nothing, except the EA trying to boost numbers by injecting thousands upon thousands of fingerlings, you can sort of get the reasoning behind it, as the barbel seemed to of suffered the most from the otters.
Like them or not, in my view you are better doing something, even if the odds are stacked completely against you, at least you've given it a go.
As someone who has fished for barbel a lot over the years the plight of the barbel in small to medium size rivers is quite shocking. Once great barbel rivers such as the ouse, ivel, teme, cherwell reduced to nothing, except the EA trying to boost numbers by injecting thousands upon thousands of fingerlings, you can sort of get the reasoning behind it, as the barbel seemed to of suffered the most from the otters.
Like them or not, in my view you are better doing something, even if the odds are stacked completely against you, at least you've given it a go.
I believe it's the same guy that raised the other one calling for non-lethal means of otter control.
In reply to Post #22
well that's the starting point for it all to go wrong then
well that's the starting point for it all to go wrong then
In reply to Post #25
what the hell is "non leathal" control
if i remember rightly (i may be wrong) it was him asking for otters to be trapped and put into sanctuaries
what the hell is "non leathal" control
if i remember rightly (i may be wrong) it was him asking for otters to be trapped and put into sanctuaries
In reply to Post #24
As someone who has fished for barbel a lot over the years the plight of the barbel in small to medium size rivers is quite shocking.
Your not wrong
I've seen more photos of Barbel carcases this year than photos of live ones, they really are being annihilated!
There's talk of the Alantic Salmon going on the endangered species list to, no wonder if the few returning to breed are getting mullared before they get the chance to, year on year.
As someone who has fished for barbel a lot over the years the plight of the barbel in small to medium size rivers is quite shocking.
Your not wrong
I've seen more photos of Barbel carcases this year than photos of live ones, they really are being annihilated!There's talk of the Alantic Salmon going on the endangered species list to, no wonder if the few returning to breed are getting mullared before they get the chance to, year on year.
In reply to Post #28
cant disagree there either mate
cant disagree there either mate
In reply to Post #25
Which already existed under licence.
Which already existed under licence.