In reply to Post #15
But maybe others that were previously reluctant to contribute to these type of threads might do so now
Very good point........
But maybe others that were previously reluctant to contribute to these type of threads might do so now
Very good point........
In reply to Post #15
OMLM as I'm a selfish *******
OMLM as I'm a selfish *******
In reply to Post #15
So you believe that this "cancel culture" that a few rail against works then
Not a fan personally.
So you believe that this "cancel culture" that a few rail against works then
Not a fan personally.
In reply to Post #18
Yes it's working well. You have to remember this is primarily a fishing forum, a non carp section is allowed by the goodness of the forum owner. If something gets out of hand and causes derision amongst the members it goes, that includes everything including bait, fishing personalities and of course politics.
I think this forum is mainly well moderated
Better to join a political forum if that's your thing
Yes it's working well. You have to remember this is primarily a fishing forum, a non carp section is allowed by the goodness of the forum owner. If something gets out of hand and causes derision amongst the members it goes, that includes everything including bait, fishing personalities and of course politics.
I think this forum is mainly well moderated
Better to join a political forum if that's your thing
In reply to Post #19
Same can be said for all walks of life, if cancel culture is your preferred solution for all fair enough.
Same can be said for all walks of life, if cancel culture is your preferred solution for all fair enough.
In reply to Post #20
I call it moderation of a fishing forum, not many fishing forums left, it needs to be looked after or it will go like so many others.
I call it moderation of a fishing forum, not many fishing forums left, it needs to be looked after or it will go like so many others.
In reply to Post #21
Mate, you and a couple of the usual suspects haven't posted once in this thread anything about the issue raised by the OP. Have a look in the mirror
Mate, you and a couple of the usual suspects haven't posted once in this thread anything about the issue raised by the OP. Have a look in the mirror
In reply to Post #22
erm.........OP Said discuss feelings.......I have expressed mine on the matter.....
erm.........OP Said discuss feelings.......I have expressed mine on the matter.....
In reply to Post #22
I was quite happy reading to begin with before posting, but felt my single post#15 was appropriate. I was happy to leave it as one post for a while but you started questioning my opinion. If you don't want answers don't question me.
I feel you are dragging me into a tit for tat so you can have the last word.
I was quite happy reading to begin with before posting, but felt my single post#15 was appropriate. I was happy to leave it as one post for a while but you started questioning my opinion. If you don't want answers don't question me.
I feel you are dragging me into a tit for tat so you can have the last word.
Didn't take long ....
Thing is, as tinhead says, it's a fishing forum with a smaller section for other stuff. There are a few of us that have an interest in politics / current affairs etc. who post more often in these type of threads.
That will always be against a number of contexts...
We each bring our own experiences and passions to discussion. Fishie knows more about the police than probably most of us put together, so will often post in relation to that aspect. Spanker, who may be more political than most, is fervent in his viewpoint on the current right wing bias and corruption. Tinhead doesn't like wooden flower beds. Wayne likes to provoke reaction. Noj is great at sarcasm. Jon brings objective wit. There are some who simply post to criticise others, call names, whatever - it's an unfortunate by product of social media and as Ocelot says - an abundance of dickheads..... I'm passionate about education due to my job and equality and issues of race because of my family. And I'm all about helping the less fortunate because I'm a snowflake, not a dick.... (that's a small joke there).
We all - consciously or not - bring our own bias. And sometimes we can learn from that, and sometimes we'll agree to disagree, and sometimes we'll get wound up and have a rant and then a few days off because there's more important things going on...
Carp fishing, by demographic, is largely a white male pastime. We're probably not the experts on the wider context of the George Floyd case I.e. Systemic racial inequality in the U.S.
How about we try to avoid this descending into the usual crapfest?
That in mind,.....
fishie, I agree. Due process has to be followed or what's the point of a legal system at all? I don't think the police are on trial, the individuals concerned are. But I do think the process is under scrutiny - rightly so because is so potentially explosive and because we now live in a world where it's almost impossible for a jury to have not seen so much prior to the trial. I think it's an absolute joke that Chauvin can plead not guilty, and that someone will be paid to defend that standpoint. But it's the system in place and if this case highlights flaws in it then maybe there's potential for some positive reform as a result.
I'm watching it with interest. As said already, if it's not for you, don't watch it. Go fishing. It's lovely outside. Peace and love
Thing is, as tinhead says, it's a fishing forum with a smaller section for other stuff. There are a few of us that have an interest in politics / current affairs etc. who post more often in these type of threads.
That will always be against a number of contexts...
We each bring our own experiences and passions to discussion. Fishie knows more about the police than probably most of us put together, so will often post in relation to that aspect. Spanker, who may be more political than most, is fervent in his viewpoint on the current right wing bias and corruption. Tinhead doesn't like wooden flower beds. Wayne likes to provoke reaction. Noj is great at sarcasm. Jon brings objective wit. There are some who simply post to criticise others, call names, whatever - it's an unfortunate by product of social media and as Ocelot says - an abundance of dickheads..... I'm passionate about education due to my job and equality and issues of race because of my family. And I'm all about helping the less fortunate because I'm a snowflake, not a dick.... (that's a small joke there).
We all - consciously or not - bring our own bias. And sometimes we can learn from that, and sometimes we'll agree to disagree, and sometimes we'll get wound up and have a rant and then a few days off because there's more important things going on...
Carp fishing, by demographic, is largely a white male pastime. We're probably not the experts on the wider context of the George Floyd case I.e. Systemic racial inequality in the U.S.
How about we try to avoid this descending into the usual crapfest?
That in mind,.....
fishie, I agree. Due process has to be followed or what's the point of a legal system at all? I don't think the police are on trial, the individuals concerned are. But I do think the process is under scrutiny - rightly so because is so potentially explosive and because we now live in a world where it's almost impossible for a jury to have not seen so much prior to the trial. I think it's an absolute joke that Chauvin can plead not guilty, and that someone will be paid to defend that standpoint. But it's the system in place and if this case highlights flaws in it then maybe there's potential for some positive reform as a result.
I'm watching it with interest. As said already, if it's not for you, don't watch it. Go fishing. It's lovely outside. Peace and love
In reply to Post #25
The interrogation of the fire fighter (and trained first responder) by the defence lawyer yesterday was insulting and showed a lack of respect to the lady. Ok it seems that the defence case will at the moment be trying to form a case based on the following.;-
1. The parademics had already been called by the police before the lady was on the scene, though there is a question about what time the call was made and how long the parademics took to arrive and the delay in the firefighters arriving when they were a closer to the scene. Whatever the truth was about notifying the other authorities why was Chauvins knee on Floyd's neck right up to the moment the paramedics arrived. Either there was a medical crisis or there wasn't.
2. It was suggested that Floyd might resume consciousness and then confront the 4 officers, he might have been a big guy but already having been handcuffed, unbelievable. Also he was never going to regain consciousness with a knee remaining on his neck.
3. His death may have been caused by drug overdose, not heard the medical evidence yet so can't comment on that at the moment.
Anybody know why he has been charged on 3 different counts i.e. 2nd and 3rd degree murder and also manslughter, presumably because there is going to be some plea bargaining as the case concludes.
Really looking forward to hearing from the police being interrogated.
The interrogation of the fire fighter (and trained first responder) by the defence lawyer yesterday was insulting and showed a lack of respect to the lady. Ok it seems that the defence case will at the moment be trying to form a case based on the following.;-
1. The parademics had already been called by the police before the lady was on the scene, though there is a question about what time the call was made and how long the parademics took to arrive and the delay in the firefighters arriving when they were a closer to the scene. Whatever the truth was about notifying the other authorities why was Chauvins knee on Floyd's neck right up to the moment the paramedics arrived. Either there was a medical crisis or there wasn't.
2. It was suggested that Floyd might resume consciousness and then confront the 4 officers, he might have been a big guy but already having been handcuffed, unbelievable. Also he was never going to regain consciousness with a knee remaining on his neck.
3. His death may have been caused by drug overdose, not heard the medical evidence yet so can't comment on that at the moment.
Anybody know why he has been charged on 3 different counts i.e. 2nd and 3rd degree murder and also manslughter, presumably because there is going to be some plea bargaining as the case concludes.
Really looking forward to hearing from the police being interrogated.
In reply to Post #11
It won't be fair, as he has already had trial by media. Don't forget it was a racial killing until the bodywork video footage was released and disproved it. No way any of the jury haven't already formed an opinion on the matter. In an ideal world, they would have no prior knowledge of it. I know there is no other way of doing it, but it is not ideal.
And as if to prove my point, there are already posts on here saying hes guilty, how can he plead not guilty. These biews based entirely on what the media have allowed you to see. These are not views based on full facts. The jury will have seen the same media, so they have already formed opinions on the case before hearing a single piece of evidence. That is not a fair trial.
Society is too quick to jump onto the back of something and form opinions based on little or no facts. And everyone is an expert on stuff they know nothing about. Social media has given idiots a voice, made the vocal minority seem like the majority, and allowed the media to stir up hatred and division.
And assuming it's a similar system to the uk, they have 3 charges on there, as if murder is disproven, and he wasn't tried for manslaughter, he can't be found guilty of it. For it to be murder, it needs to be premeditated. Manslaughter is reckless, which is what this case will be about. However if he wasn't tried for myurder, they would have to deal with the uneducated who cause a big song and dance about it.
It won't be fair, as he has already had trial by media. Don't forget it was a racial killing until the bodywork video footage was released and disproved it. No way any of the jury haven't already formed an opinion on the matter. In an ideal world, they would have no prior knowledge of it. I know there is no other way of doing it, but it is not ideal.
And as if to prove my point, there are already posts on here saying hes guilty, how can he plead not guilty. These biews based entirely on what the media have allowed you to see. These are not views based on full facts. The jury will have seen the same media, so they have already formed opinions on the case before hearing a single piece of evidence. That is not a fair trial.
Society is too quick to jump onto the back of something and form opinions based on little or no facts. And everyone is an expert on stuff they know nothing about. Social media has given idiots a voice, made the vocal minority seem like the majority, and allowed the media to stir up hatred and division.
And assuming it's a similar system to the uk, they have 3 charges on there, as if murder is disproven, and he wasn't tried for manslaughter, he can't be found guilty of it. For it to be murder, it needs to be premeditated. Manslaughter is reckless, which is what this case will be about. However if he wasn't tried for myurder, they would have to deal with the uneducated who cause a big song and dance about it.
In reply to Post #25
Chairperson Mal sets his scene, quite ironic your confident stereotypical views. so much for unconscious bias
Can we all have the freedom of speech now, are we allowed?
Chairperson Mal sets his scene, quite ironic your confident stereotypical views. so much for unconscious bias
Can we all have the freedom of speech now, are we allowed?
In reply to Post #28
Freedom of speech hasnt gone anywhere, you are perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but as long as its the same as mine
Freedom of speech hasnt gone anywhere, you are perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but as long as its the same as mine
In reply to Post #24
I will on this rare occasion thanks.Put your dummy back in ffs. One minute Lewishams own Gandhi the next an enthusiastic cancel culture merchant.
I will on this rare occasion thanks.Put your dummy back in ffs. One minute Lewishams own Gandhi the next an enthusiastic cancel culture merchant.