In reply to Post #14
"balanced bait" will be being slung all over the placeThat's what I've always thought.
I've done it myself, balanced a bait and watch it provocatively sink through the water, very satisfying. But as soon as it's disturbed it will do as you say it'll be 'slung all over the place'
Bottom baits whenever possible for me
"balanced bait" will be being slung all over the placeThat's what I've always thought.
I've done it myself, balanced a bait and watch it provocatively sink through the water, very satisfying. But as soon as it's disturbed it will do as you say it'll be 'slung all over the place'
Bottom baits whenever possible for me
In reply to Post #16
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more.
In reply to Post #16
mmm - not sure a bottom bait is going to be massively 'less' slung about than a wafter or anything else for that matter if rejected. . big carp suck in and eject big stones with ease and deposit them wherever . . .are you suggesting 'weighting' your baits on this basis . . ?
mmm - not sure a bottom bait is going to be massively 'less' slung about than a wafter or anything else for that matter if rejected. . big carp suck in and eject big stones with ease and deposit them wherever . . .are you suggesting 'weighting' your baits on this basis . . ?
I'm not convinced a balanced bait would get slung around. A ridiculously slow sinking bait, then yes. But surely all you are trying to achieve with a wafter is to negate the weight of the hook/rig so the bait actually behaves more like a free offering would, cos obviously they aren't attached to a rig.
In reply to Post #19
. . .exactomondo . . .
And if they're all different sizes / suck rates required anyway then this is the most important factor IMHO . . .
. . .exactomondo . . .
And if they're all different sizes / suck rates required anyway then this is the most important factor IMHO . . .
In reply to Post #19
Calling a bait a pop up suggest to me a very buoyant bait, a wafter to me suggests something that wafts about but I take your point about negating the weight of the hook and hook length, how you would calculate that when you fish in different depths and have different amounts of water pressure pushing down I'm not sure. Personally I can't be faffing and I'd only be worring that I hadn't negated properly and make the bait act unnaturally.
Each to their own but wherever possible I'm happy with hard on the bottom
Calling a bait a pop up suggest to me a very buoyant bait, a wafter to me suggests something that wafts about but I take your point about negating the weight of the hook and hook length, how you would calculate that when you fish in different depths and have different amounts of water pressure pushing down I'm not sure. Personally I can't be faffing and I'd only be worring that I hadn't negated properly and make the bait act unnaturally.
Each to their own but wherever possible I'm happy with hard on the bottom
In reply to Post #19
I think most of the time these wafter or critically balanced baits don't behave as people think anyway, due to being set up on the bank and then tested in a few inches of water and then cast out into a different depth and therefore water pressure
I think most of the time these wafter or critically balanced baits don't behave as people think anyway, due to being set up on the bank and then tested in a few inches of water and then cast out into a different depth and therefore water pressure
In reply to Post #22
. . .I also don't believe that when on the bottom they sit perfectly upright with the hook perfectly laid flat beneath (a la Korda / rig porn site photos etc)
As stated I glug them anyway (usually a sticky baits dumbell of some sort glugged to match my label / flavour profile) and this over time definitely makes them heavier, so in effect I'm probably using a mildy lighter bottom bait.
. . .I also don't believe that when on the bottom they sit perfectly upright with the hook perfectly laid flat beneath (a la Korda / rig porn site photos etc)
As stated I glug them anyway (usually a sticky baits dumbell of some sort glugged to match my label / flavour profile) and this over time definitely makes them heavier, so in effect I'm probably using a mildy lighter bottom bait.
Isn't a wafter ,pop up a boilie anyhow
In reply to Post #24
. . .?
They're all boilies - a wafter is supposedly 'neutrally' buoyant, a pop-up is totally buoyant (although over time becomes a wafter and then eventually a water saturated bottom bait), a bottom bait is generally straight out of the bag and always sinks - however if left on the lake bed too long (depending on ingredients) it will float and rise up to the surface.
Just to confuse you if you carefully combine a pop-up and a bottom bait (snowman) this can create a neutrally buoyant bait . . . .which is basically also a wafter . . . . . . . . . . .
. . .?
They're all boilies - a wafter is supposedly 'neutrally' buoyant, a pop-up is totally buoyant (although over time becomes a wafter and then eventually a water saturated bottom bait), a bottom bait is generally straight out of the bag and always sinks - however if left on the lake bed too long (depending on ingredients) it will float and rise up to the surface.
Just to confuse you if you carefully combine a pop-up and a bottom bait (snowman) this can create a neutrally buoyant bait . . . .which is basically also a wafter . . . . . . . . . . .
It's the title of this topic
At the end of the day they are all boilies popped up or not
At the end of the day they are all boilies popped up or not
In reply to Post #26
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Thanks for coming, see yourself out . . .
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Thanks for coming, see yourself out . . .
In reply to Post #18
are you suggesting 'weighting' your baits on this basis . . ?
No, for me it's just as much being stuck in my old ways, it's what I've always done and as Ian has pointed baits don't behave as we expect them anyway and that includes my bottom baits
are you suggesting 'weighting' your baits on this basis . . ?
No, for me it's just as much being stuck in my old ways, it's what I've always done and as Ian has pointed baits don't behave as we expect them anyway and that includes my bottom baits
In reply to Post #28
. . the argument for balanced / wafter baits is to try and get the presented bait to act like a bottom bait freebie but with a hook & rig attached . . .totally agree this is all probably total bs at the underwater end . . suppose its down to whatever gives you the most confidence . . !
. . the argument for balanced / wafter baits is to try and get the presented bait to act like a bottom bait freebie but with a hook & rig attached . . .totally agree this is all probably total bs at the underwater end . . suppose its down to whatever gives you the most confidence . . !
In reply to Post #29
whatever gives you the most confidence . . !
Agreed, would never tell others what to do, just giving my thoughts
whatever gives you the most confidence . . !
Agreed, would never tell others what to do, just giving my thoughts