In reply to Post #1
For me it is split. I do not think dropping the lead is a good idea. If everyone on a lake does it then all that happens is there is going to be a lake full of leads. The ones these days by korda and fox are plastic coated, so the lead inside shouldn't (in theory) pollute the lake. But still, this is still littering, and if you wouldn't do it on the bankside then why do it in the lake! But there is another side to this and its to do with lead systems. The lead clip is supposed to be used to drop the lead, and if not can then become a 'death rig'. This is to do with the sleeve that pushes over the lead clip itself. If pushed on all the way, there is no way in hell that the lead is going to disengage from the clip. Now if you snap off or are cut off, if a fish picks that up and gets stuck with that, there is no way it can get away from the lead or leader. It is a similar story with helicopter rigs, except its in reverse. If you use a usual heli rig, where the top bead can slide off, the fish *can* use the weight of the lead to get rid of the entire leader, and just have a rig, which, in some cases can also be lost as well either by being caught or if the rig incorporates a barbless hook. But, if there is no lead, how can it get rid of the leader? There is no resistance for the fish to use to push the top bead off the leader. This is exactly the case with dropping the lead with a heli rig. It is not safe. So in my eyes, the only truly safe lead systems are a running rig, incorporating a rung ring (not with a lead clip with the swivel crushed down) or a running inline lead, and a conventional heli rig, although I have heard that it is not the safest and sometimes when set up correctly can also become a dangerous rig. Sorry for the extremely long message, but I had some thoughts that I wanted to share. I may be wrong in some of my thoughts, but in the end if I do not have to drop the lead I will not, as it is expensive and environmentally damaging. Thank you for taking the time to read this!
For me it is split. I do not think dropping the lead is a good idea. If everyone on a lake does it then all that happens is there is going to be a lake full of leads. The ones these days by korda and fox are plastic coated, so the lead inside shouldn't (in theory) pollute the lake. But still, this is still littering, and if you wouldn't do it on the bankside then why do it in the lake! But there is another side to this and its to do with lead systems. The lead clip is supposed to be used to drop the lead, and if not can then become a 'death rig'. This is to do with the sleeve that pushes over the lead clip itself. If pushed on all the way, there is no way in hell that the lead is going to disengage from the clip. Now if you snap off or are cut off, if a fish picks that up and gets stuck with that, there is no way it can get away from the lead or leader. It is a similar story with helicopter rigs, except its in reverse. If you use a usual heli rig, where the top bead can slide off, the fish *can* use the weight of the lead to get rid of the entire leader, and just have a rig, which, in some cases can also be lost as well either by being caught or if the rig incorporates a barbless hook. But, if there is no lead, how can it get rid of the leader? There is no resistance for the fish to use to push the top bead off the leader. This is exactly the case with dropping the lead with a heli rig. It is not safe. So in my eyes, the only truly safe lead systems are a running rig, incorporating a rung ring (not with a lead clip with the swivel crushed down) or a running inline lead, and a conventional heli rig, although I have heard that it is not the safest and sometimes when set up correctly can also become a dangerous rig. Sorry for the extremely long message, but I had some thoughts that I wanted to share. I may be wrong in some of my thoughts, but in the end if I do not have to drop the lead I will not, as it is expensive and environmentally damaging. Thank you for taking the time to read this!
In reply to Post #12
Problem is, you can't really blame them to some extent. As a business if you are in a position to make profit then most people would. The discussion is being had at the moment as to whether dropping the leads is harmful, places like Grenville almost insist on the lead being dropped every fish. There is definitely a discussion to be had but I'm sure if it was harmful to water quality there wouldn't be venues that reccomend it for fish welfare.
However, as I've mentioned, I do use a lead clip, but I fish it fairly tight (not rammed on) so I don't lose the lead every fish, I just want to know it could drop in the event of a snag etc
Problem is, you can't really blame them to some extent. As a business if you are in a position to make profit then most people would. The discussion is being had at the moment as to whether dropping the leads is harmful, places like Grenville almost insist on the lead being dropped every fish. There is definitely a discussion to be had but I'm sure if it was harmful to water quality there wouldn't be venues that reccomend it for fish welfare.
However, as I've mentioned, I do use a lead clip, but I fish it fairly tight (not rammed on) so I don't lose the lead every fish, I just want to know it could drop in the event of a snag etc
In reply to Post #17
discussion is being had at the moment as to whether dropping the leads is harmful, places like Grenville almost insist on the lead being dropped every fish
The discussion has been raised on here years ago, and many times too!
As for the manufacturers. They put products out and promote them, by promoting them are encouraging people to follow them, and they do!
discussion is being had at the moment as to whether dropping the leads is harmful, places like Grenville almost insist on the lead being dropped every fish
The discussion has been raised on here years ago, and many times too!
As for the manufacturers. They put products out and promote them, by promoting them are encouraging people to follow them, and they do!
In reply to Post #18
Unless it's weedy I never drop the lead and I fish helicopters 99% of the time no issues landing big fish with leads on it's just like all rig stuff etc it's all designed to make money catching the angler comes before the fish for them
Unless it's weedy I never drop the lead and I fish helicopters 99% of the time no issues landing big fish with leads on it's just like all rig stuff etc it's all designed to make money catching the angler comes before the fish for them
In reply to Post #19
I understand the profit bit being a compny in business but, if firms like Taylors lead lounge only charge 80p or so for a lead, and still make a profit, why can't Korda and co charge the same instead of charging twice as much. I know were to buy my leads.
I understand the profit bit being a compny in business but, if firms like Taylors lead lounge only charge 80p or so for a lead, and still make a profit, why can't Korda and co charge the same instead of charging twice as much. I know were to buy my leads.
In reply to Post #20
Because Taylors, and many others on the internet, haven't got big business units, key point is, they are sell direct to the customer.
They haven't got to sell through/to shops, sell at trade price, then the shops make their mark up, pay Taxes, VAT, wages, rent, stock, bills.
Thats why they are cheaper, smaller overheads, R&D, ETC.
Because Taylors, and many others on the internet, haven't got big business units, key point is, they are sell direct to the customer.
They haven't got to sell through/to shops, sell at trade price, then the shops make their mark up, pay Taxes, VAT, wages, rent, stock, bills.
Thats why they are cheaper, smaller overheads, R&D, ETC.
In reply to Post #17
There is no defence for putting lead into the environment, it is lethally harmful in the air, water and soil. Science and industry have been aware of this for at least 150 years. In that time it has killed tens of thousands of people in some dreadful ways and is harming many more as we speak.
It has been banned in petrol, canning, ceramics, paint, water supply, putty and other external seals and fillers, electrical insulation, solder, squeezy tubes, shotgun cartridges, split shot for angling, the list goes on.
We are at a stage where angling is introducing metallic lead into the aquatic environment in metric tonnes per year.it does not go away, it cannot be got rid of. Coating on the lead is just
misleading rubbish.those leads will still be there in a thousand years dissolving into and poisoning the environment
If you know you are going to drop the lead you should be using a non toxic substitute and they are available. Korda, Nash, Gardner, Fox and the rest should be taking the lead on this and it is shameful they are not.
Cynical, self serving, greedy people and the sheep they sell to who thoughtlessly accept every specious excuse will and are destroying our environment. Don't feel like being polite about this any more.
There is no defence for putting lead into the environment, it is lethally harmful in the air, water and soil. Science and industry have been aware of this for at least 150 years. In that time it has killed tens of thousands of people in some dreadful ways and is harming many more as we speak.
It has been banned in petrol, canning, ceramics, paint, water supply, putty and other external seals and fillers, electrical insulation, solder, squeezy tubes, shotgun cartridges, split shot for angling, the list goes on.
We are at a stage where angling is introducing metallic lead into the aquatic environment in metric tonnes per year.it does not go away, it cannot be got rid of. Coating on the lead is just
misleading rubbish.those leads will still be there in a thousand years dissolving into and poisoning the environment
If you know you are going to drop the lead you should be using a non toxic substitute and they are available. Korda, Nash, Gardner, Fox and the rest should be taking the lead on this and it is shameful they are not.
Cynical, self serving, greedy people and the sheep they sell to who thoughtlessly accept every specious excuse will and are destroying our environment. Don't feel like being polite about this any more.
In reply to Post #22
Totally agree with you, they should be ashamed.
Totally agree with you, they should be ashamed.
In reply to Post #9
It's only expensive if you get bites 😜
It's only expensive if you get bites 😜
I was shown how to drop an in line lead years ago and was to tight to do it. Upset me loosing a lead when using Nash's lead clip. When Korda came along and whaled on about it I just laughed at them and felt said for those that they where fishing for.
At the end of a session I swim out and pick up any baits that's left.
At the end of a session I swim out and pick up any baits that's left.
In reply to Post #25
I don't normally drop the lead but fished a venue in France that insisted on it. I thought I'd give inline drop offs a go, that didn't last long, not so easy to adjust the tension, lost far too many and I wasn't even catching.
I don't normally drop the lead but fished a venue in France that insisted on it. I thought I'd give inline drop offs a go, that didn't last long, not so easy to adjust the tension, lost far too many and I wasn't even catching.
In reply to Post #1
It does help to bring um up to the surface when fishing in heavy weed .
Helped me catch 2 good forties last year in very very heavy weed both hit the surface upon hitting the rod .
The amount weed that was in the landing net each time had me frantically pulling it apart to find the fish.
No other way of getting them in without them hitting the top first.
It does help to bring um up to the surface when fishing in heavy weed .
Helped me catch 2 good forties last year in very very heavy weed both hit the surface upon hitting the rod .
The amount weed that was in the landing net each time had me frantically pulling it apart to find the fish.
No other way of getting them in without them hitting the top first.
In reply to Post #27
How did we ever used to land these fish before dropping leads eh??!!
How did we ever used to land these fish before dropping leads eh??!!
In reply to Post #28
Easily and cheaply
Easily and cheaply
In reply to Post #29
I know right
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I know right
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