In reply to Post #15
lol as other bait companies dont use corn meal , it is pure protein in other baits
lol as other bait companies dont use corn meal , it is pure protein in other baits
In reply to Post #15
From what I've been told, they don't use any of that stuff in ANY of their baits and also they get all their stuff delivered direct from manufacturers so they're not ordering stuff from farm shops, which means you're either making sutff up and lying OR you're just mistaken, either way you're 100% wrong though, maybe give the inspectors magnifying glass a little wipe over before trying to solve another mystery Inspector
From what I've been told, they don't use any of that stuff in ANY of their baits and also they get all their stuff delivered direct from manufacturers so they're not ordering stuff from farm shops, which means you're either making sutff up and lying OR you're just mistaken, either way you're 100% wrong though, maybe give the inspectors magnifying glass a little wipe over before trying to solve another mystery Inspector
In reply to Post #17
Direct from manufacturer perhaps would be copdock mill, so that ties in with my inspectors investigation. I'm pretty good at reading so no problem there, and I know where I was at the time of seeing said pallet. I'm certainly not a liar and I don't make stuff up... Maybe they also have horses that they buy they're feed for from copdock.. I just posted what i saw, sorry if it hit a nerve!!
Direct from manufacturer perhaps would be copdock mill, so that ties in with my inspectors investigation. I'm pretty good at reading so no problem there, and I know where I was at the time of seeing said pallet. I'm certainly not a liar and I don't make stuff up... Maybe they also have horses that they buy they're feed for from copdock.. I just posted what i saw, sorry if it hit a nerve!!
In reply to Post #18
What did you think of the mad baits boilies that you saw?
What did you think of the mad baits boilies that you saw?
In reply to Post #19
I've only seen the nut mix that they do and tbf it looks pretty much like anyone elses nut mix. The stuff i saw was quite crumbly and imho had a good blend of micronised cereals (maize) as a bulking agent. I'm sorry if my opinions are off the mark, but I can only say what I think
I've only seen the nut mix that they do and tbf it looks pretty much like anyone elses nut mix. The stuff i saw was quite crumbly and imho had a good blend of micronised cereals (maize) as a bulking agent. I'm sorry if my opinions are off the mark, but I can only say what I think
In reply to Post #17
Ok, so whilst we are making accusations despite people saying about what they have physically seen and read on a delivery pallet.....what makes what you have been saying factually correct, apart from it being what you have 'been told'!? Because im pretty sure that even the worst bait company (which mad baits are not) wont admit to padding their bait out with rubbish and will tell you exactly the same as you have been told
Ok, so whilst we are making accusations despite people saying about what they have physically seen and read on a delivery pallet.....what makes what you have been saying factually correct, apart from it being what you have 'been told'!? Because im pretty sure that even the worst bait company (which mad baits are not) wont admit to padding their bait out with rubbish and will tell you exactly the same as you have been told
In reply to Post #15
Maize meal/flour or provimi 66 are not bad ingredients used sensibly, in moderation in a balanced nutritional boilie.
Loads of companies, and many proven baits have both ingredients in.
TBH Maize meal/flour is a very boilie machine rolling friendly ingredient
Maize meal/flour or provimi 66 are not bad ingredients used sensibly, in moderation in a balanced nutritional boilie.
Loads of companies, and many proven baits have both ingredients in.
TBH Maize meal/flour is a very boilie machine rolling friendly ingredient
In reply to Post #22
Agreed, I like using micronised maize in a birdfood and yes provimi is a handy ingredient. My observation was based around the ratios of filler vs protein which seemed somewhat one sided.. Maybe because I came from the old nutrabaits days I still expect a boilie to be of a certain standard rather than the new way of doing things
Agreed, I like using micronised maize in a birdfood and yes provimi is a handy ingredient. My observation was based around the ratios of filler vs protein which seemed somewhat one sided.. Maybe because I came from the old nutrabaits days I still expect a boilie to be of a certain standard rather than the new way of doing things
In reply to Post #23
My observation was based around the ratios of filler vs protein which seemed somewhat one sided.
Unless you know Jerry very well or indeed the exact recipe details, how do you know the ratios in the bait ?
Agreed, ratios of human grade Milk proteins, fishmeal in general, certain birdfood colour ingredient, Paprika inclusion rates have changed massively in some baits over the years.
Some little changes & things that companies do over time, only a 'old skool' home bait roller would notice
My observation was based around the ratios of filler vs protein which seemed somewhat one sided.
Unless you know Jerry very well or indeed the exact recipe details, how do you know the ratios in the bait ?
Agreed, ratios of human grade Milk proteins, fishmeal in general, certain birdfood colour ingredient, Paprika inclusion rates have changed massively in some baits over the years.
Some little changes & things that companies do over time, only a 'old skool' home bait roller would notice
In reply to Post #24
Maybe that's my problem, still harking back to the old days when a basemix was a whole lot different.
You are correct in that I don't know the ratios and perhaps that was a little underhanded to say and I guess that a lot of successful bait firms are using the same model so to single one out is a bit wrong. Maybe I should have said that all modern fb based bait firms are imo rubbish lol...
There I go again, dreaming of days when Robin red used to stain everything and a fm bait used to stink of it rather than having just a faint whiff..
Should I retract my comments, nah I think il just keep rolling my baits and crack on.
Maybe that's my problem, still harking back to the old days when a basemix was a whole lot different.
You are correct in that I don't know the ratios and perhaps that was a little underhanded to say and I guess that a lot of successful bait firms are using the same model so to single one out is a bit wrong. Maybe I should have said that all modern fb based bait firms are imo rubbish lol...
There I go again, dreaming of days when Robin red used to stain everything and a fm bait used to stink of it rather than having just a faint whiff..
Should I retract my comments, nah I think il just keep rolling my baits and crack on.
In reply to Post #25
Personal bait Experience isn't a bad thing when you have a certain preference, or confidence in a well made bait, wether it is a milk protein, Fishmeal, Nut based, birdfood, yeast based, You know if it is decent mix or not.
Some Favourite ingredients have been consistant, or have changed, or been banned due to silly EU regulations, many bait companies have fallen by the wayside over the years, but nowadays with some, but not all, it is all about marketing & social media likes, and machine rollability, than the ACTUAL QUALITY of the bait being used.
Look what happened to Baitcraft,and also Nutrabaits after Big Bill left. People notice changes, and don't swallow the BS and leave in their droves.
There are a few exceptions to the rule, so I see it as confident pitch, and Good customer service in my eyes, that Mad baits are offering interested, possible new customers to watch them roll the bait up in front of people, you can get a very good idea on quality control from a personal visit and a chat.
Personal bait Experience isn't a bad thing when you have a certain preference, or confidence in a well made bait, wether it is a milk protein, Fishmeal, Nut based, birdfood, yeast based, You know if it is decent mix or not.
Some Favourite ingredients have been consistant, or have changed, or been banned due to silly EU regulations, many bait companies have fallen by the wayside over the years, but nowadays with some, but not all, it is all about marketing & social media likes, and machine rollability, than the ACTUAL QUALITY of the bait being used.
Look what happened to Baitcraft,and also Nutrabaits after Big Bill left. People notice changes, and don't swallow the BS and leave in their droves.
There are a few exceptions to the rule, so I see it as confident pitch, and Good customer service in my eyes, that Mad baits are offering interested, possible new customers to watch them roll the bait up in front of people, you can get a very good idea on quality control from a personal visit and a chat.
In reply to Post #26
There are a few exceptions to the rule, so I see it as confident pitch, and Good customer service in my eyes, that Mad baits are offering interested, possible new customers to watch them roll the bait up in front of people, you can get a very good idea on quality control from a personal visit and a chat.
That's a fair point and maybe I should retract my comments and I'm sure I would if I had 1st hand experience of the operation.
Your point about nutrabaits is well made, and I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole nowadays, preferring to source my own ings from the best suppliers I can find
On a side note, it's nice to resolve a conversation with a bit of chat and a friendly outcome rather than the usual "where's your proof" kind of comments and a general attack on others who see things a little differently.
There are a few exceptions to the rule, so I see it as confident pitch, and Good customer service in my eyes, that Mad baits are offering interested, possible new customers to watch them roll the bait up in front of people, you can get a very good idea on quality control from a personal visit and a chat.
That's a fair point and maybe I should retract my comments and I'm sure I would if I had 1st hand experience of the operation.
Your point about nutrabaits is well made, and I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole nowadays, preferring to source my own ings from the best suppliers I can find
On a side note, it's nice to resolve a conversation with a bit of chat and a friendly outcome rather than the usual "where's your proof" kind of comments and a general attack on others who see things a little differently.
In reply to Post #27
I just think that your comments are what anyone who is particular and/or passionate about their bait of choice being right and fresh, would like to know, myself included. So I understand your dilemma perfectly.
I think some people are now going down the best quality you can get, use a bit less freebies, buy little and often mindset, that fresh is a better route over a season rather than mass marketed bargin bait at a good price.
sound chat & conversation indeed
I just think that your comments are what anyone who is particular and/or passionate about their bait of choice being right and fresh, would like to know, myself included. So I understand your dilemma perfectly.
I think some people are now going down the best quality you can get, use a bit less freebies, buy little and often mindset, that fresh is a better route over a season rather than mass marketed bargin bait at a good price.
sound chat & conversation indeed
In reply to Post #28
Good information on their website, live video from yesterday.
Good information on their website, live video from yesterday.
In reply to Post #1
Seeing as it was myself that started all this controversy, and agreeing with the latest comments... I thought I'd better cover myself, I'm a dyed in the wool, pure, quality base mix guy.... I like to feel that the feed I give them some way makes up for sticking a great big hook in their gobs!!
I was fortunate enough to use Nutrabaits Hi Nu Val just before release and continued to use it along with other products in the range for a good few years, I then had a spell with the stunning Grange CSL and then went on to Premiers Aminos in the mid 90's and still use it to this day.
Unfortunately most baits now are hawked to the masses via advertising and sponsorship, with the aim of maximum profit and with very little thought to the benefit that the carp may derive from it. It may be an old fashioned view but I'll stick with it, I'll reiterate the Mad bait I've seen I wouldn't use on principle, your mileage may vary as they say. Use what you are confident in obviously but rather than thinking how much per kilo, consider the gains your quarry will benefit from it in the long run.
Seeing as it was myself that started all this controversy, and agreeing with the latest comments... I thought I'd better cover myself, I'm a dyed in the wool, pure, quality base mix guy.... I like to feel that the feed I give them some way makes up for sticking a great big hook in their gobs!!
I was fortunate enough to use Nutrabaits Hi Nu Val just before release and continued to use it along with other products in the range for a good few years, I then had a spell with the stunning Grange CSL and then went on to Premiers Aminos in the mid 90's and still use it to this day.
Unfortunately most baits now are hawked to the masses via advertising and sponsorship, with the aim of maximum profit and with very little thought to the benefit that the carp may derive from it. It may be an old fashioned view but I'll stick with it, I'll reiterate the Mad bait I've seen I wouldn't use on principle, your mileage may vary as they say. Use what you are confident in obviously but rather than thinking how much per kilo, consider the gains your quarry will benefit from it in the long run.