In reply to Post #15
I'm NOT attacking anyone...I'm merely asking questions that most stupid people won't cause they have zero knowledge of this extremely complicated subject and poorly wrote petitions make angling look pathetic...
SO...I'll ask again.
What is non lethal?
What is done with the animal once captured?
What type of waters is this intended for?
The are already 2 types of non lethal licences available.
I'm NOT attacking anyone...I'm merely asking questions that most stupid people won't cause they have zero knowledge of this extremely complicated subject and poorly wrote petitions make angling look pathetic...
SO...I'll ask again.
What is non lethal?
What is done with the animal once captured?
What type of waters is this intended for?
The are already 2 types of non lethal licences available.
In reply to Post #17
Make no odds to what has been already achieved...especially as it doesn't explain in anyway shape or form of the intention
That's the bit I'm struggling with
Make no odds to what has been already achieved...especially as it doesn't explain in anyway shape or form of the intention
That's the bit I'm struggling with
In reply to Post #13
Answers on a postcard please
Answers on a postcard please
In reply to Post #10
I read it before I signed it mate,however you raise a very valid point,one which is not mentioned in the link or info,what are they going to do with them once captured?
Euthanized?
Put in permanent captivity ?
Sent back to the Isle of Skye?
To be honest anything heading towards the Government gaze has got to be looked at ,I feel things are moving far too slowly..
I have to say though,I could have worded it better on a postage stamp..as you could have too..
Don't worry mate,this wont undo your work,the more recognition the problem gets the better..
My local mp,Scott Mann,conservative is a carp angler...before this he was a postie...!..edit,I have just emailed him
I read it before I signed it mate,however you raise a very valid point,one which is not mentioned in the link or info,what are they going to do with them once captured?
Euthanized?
Put in permanent captivity ?
Sent back to the Isle of Skye?
To be honest anything heading towards the Government gaze has got to be looked at ,I feel things are moving far too slowly..
I have to say though,I could have worded it better on a postage stamp..as you could have too..
Don't worry mate,this wont undo your work,the more recognition the problem gets the better..
My local mp,Scott Mann,conservative is a carp angler...before this he was a postie...!..edit,I have just emailed him
all done 👍
Here is the full info, guess you have all seen it by now though:
For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)
Since its assisted re-introduction to the freshwater waterways of the UK, the otter has reached levels of increased population on lakes, canals and rivers where its presence has become a detriment to the riverine environment affecting most fish species and birds and mammals.
More details
Evidence shows with some certain fish species, their populations have been reduced dramatically to the point of collapse, the rivers Kennet, Great Ouse, Teme, Bristol Avon, Cherwell, Dorset Stour and Thames are good examples of the otters effect on the local environment of these rivers. Many commercial fisheries and fish farms are regularly invaded by the otter with the negative effect of costly indiscriminate fish kills, many fisheries are now ring fenced to keep this predator at bay.
Created by
Lawrence Breakspear
I believe he is / was a barbel angler
Rather than bitching between each other on here which with respect is 'only' a carp fishing forum, I think anything that gets this out to the wider public is a good idea, but we have to remember that to 90% of the population a fish is just a fish as most of my non angling friends have said when I bring this up.
Hate to say it but unless an organisation like the RSPB starts getting involved when bird stocks are affected, they really do have the resources and the clout to make the public aware, the otter problem for anglers will be ignored.
Bit of a bleak view, no pun intended, but just being honest.
For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)
Since its assisted re-introduction to the freshwater waterways of the UK, the otter has reached levels of increased population on lakes, canals and rivers where its presence has become a detriment to the riverine environment affecting most fish species and birds and mammals.
More details
Evidence shows with some certain fish species, their populations have been reduced dramatically to the point of collapse, the rivers Kennet, Great Ouse, Teme, Bristol Avon, Cherwell, Dorset Stour and Thames are good examples of the otters effect on the local environment of these rivers. Many commercial fisheries and fish farms are regularly invaded by the otter with the negative effect of costly indiscriminate fish kills, many fisheries are now ring fenced to keep this predator at bay.
Created by
Lawrence Breakspear
I believe he is / was a barbel angler
Rather than bitching between each other on here which with respect is 'only' a carp fishing forum, I think anything that gets this out to the wider public is a good idea, but we have to remember that to 90% of the population a fish is just a fish as most of my non angling friends have said when I bring this up.
Hate to say it but unless an organisation like the RSPB starts getting involved when bird stocks are affected, they really do have the resources and the clout to make the public aware, the otter problem for anglers will be ignored.
Bit of a bleak view, no pun intended, but just being honest.
In reply to Post #24
In reply to Post #22
Trust me mate,,,it has NOTHING to do with any work I or anyone else has done...its just I didn't understand IT.
Remove a otter from an un fenced water and what happens...oh...they return....remove an otter to where exactly...? That's what I dont understand,,.the simple fact that it hasn't been thought through...its NOT an attack on anyone...if things go ahead for the good of angling, then I'll back it 110%..if not. I will question it
Trust me mate,,,it has NOTHING to do with any work I or anyone else has done...its just I didn't understand IT.
Remove a otter from an un fenced water and what happens...oh...they return....remove an otter to where exactly...? That's what I dont understand,,.the simple fact that it hasn't been thought through...its NOT an attack on anyone...if things go ahead for the good of angling, then I'll back it 110%..if not. I will question it
In reply to Post #24
It's NOT bitching, it's asking for clarification, of which that petition is a not clear, no direction and people will sign it cause they think its summut the have to do...well instead of signing poor petitions, get your fishery to apply for a individual licence...if fenced...if not, go and educate yourselves about otter behaviour...removing an otter from a un fenced water achieves ZERO
It's NOT bitching, it's asking for clarification, of which that petition is a not clear, no direction and people will sign it cause they think its summut the have to do...well instead of signing poor petitions, get your fishery to apply for a individual licence...if fenced...if not, go and educate yourselves about otter behaviour...removing an otter from a un fenced water achieves ZERO
In reply to Post #26
I understand totally what you mean...
I think or feel that in the world of angling there is a sense of frustration and anger,there is too much talking,some may feel and not enough doing...,I don't know..
I think they'll be more petitions' from people who are fed up and angry about the situation,..
What is gong on ,on facebook?...this is the only medium I visit regularly...
I understand totally what you mean...
I think or feel that in the world of angling there is a sense of frustration and anger,there is too much talking,some may feel and not enough doing...,I don't know..
I think they'll be more petitions' from people who are fed up and angry about the situation,..
What is gong on ,on facebook?...this is the only medium I visit regularly...
In reply to Post #28
I have NO objection to petitions if they are clear...I have serious issues with badly written ones that make anhlglers look stupid and that petition hasn't been thought through at all...
Write all the testimony you want..until they are factual and give the correct instructional adivce and guidance then they are laughed at by wildlife groups...thick as ***** anglers...that's exaxtly what they will think when they read that
I have NO objection to petitions if they are clear...I have serious issues with badly written ones that make anhlglers look stupid and that petition hasn't been thought through at all...
Write all the testimony you want..until they are factual and give the correct instructional adivce and guidance then they are laughed at by wildlife groups...thick as ***** anglers...that's exaxtly what they will think when they read that
In reply to Post #27
With respect mate, if you want to get your message out to the general public, all of us on here now know the damage they cause so don't need to be constantly reminded.
I guess you are on FB, Twitter etc etc, get a list of MP's, then get Wandle 1 to give you some pics of otter damage to fish and post on their accounts, then do the same to RSPB members and anyone else not connected to angling you can think of.
At least the bloke starting the petition has made an effort to get it out to be debated in somewhere away from the fishing community, that can't be a bad thing can it??
Tight lines
With respect mate, if you want to get your message out to the general public, all of us on here now know the damage they cause so don't need to be constantly reminded.
I guess you are on FB, Twitter etc etc, get a list of MP's, then get Wandle 1 to give you some pics of otter damage to fish and post on their accounts, then do the same to RSPB members and anyone else not connected to angling you can think of.
At least the bloke starting the petition has made an effort to get it out to be debated in somewhere away from the fishing community, that can't be a bad thing can it??
Tight lines
In reply to Post #1
I'd urge anyone who feels deeply about the otter situation to sign the petition
I'd urge anyone who feels deeply about the otter situation to sign the petition
In reply to Post #30
I'm not arguing the fact of exposure and the damage otters cause, it's a good thing.
ive fought this for too long and spent countless hours studying otters, and their effects on fish stocks...including my own...what I do have a issue with is how stupid anglers can look from the outside by pointless poorly written petitions that get laughed at by the very people we need to make our point too...
One needs a case study, needs to say exactly their intentions..and trapping an otter in an un fenced water is ...well....comical...it shows the lack of knowledge towards the animal...pointless..
I'm not arguing the fact of exposure and the damage otters cause, it's a good thing.
ive fought this for too long and spent countless hours studying otters, and their effects on fish stocks...including my own...what I do have a issue with is how stupid anglers can look from the outside by pointless poorly written petitions that get laughed at by the very people we need to make our point too...
One needs a case study, needs to say exactly their intentions..and trapping an otter in an un fenced water is ...well....comical...it shows the lack of knowledge towards the animal...pointless..
In reply to Post #29
The problem was caused by bunch of well-intentioned but extremely ill-informed idiots.
It's not going to be solved by another bunch!
The problem was caused by bunch of well-intentioned but extremely ill-informed idiots.
It's not going to be solved by another bunch!