In reply to Post #14
Brilliant!
And spot on, it's a fad, like vass chest waders, rods whose distance apart is measured in mm and the latest over complicated rig.
Brilliant!
And spot on, it's a fad, like vass chest waders, rods whose distance apart is measured in mm and the latest over complicated rig.
When I first started fishing (in the 60's) there weren't many 12' rods around.
We were brought up on 9 & 10' float and ledger rods and 6' spinning rods (carp rods hadn't even been invented
).
Fast forward 50 years and I still prefer shorter rods. A 12' rod feels "unwieldy" in my hands.
Out of personal choice I prefer an 11 footer. I can be more accurate with it, and cast as far as I need.
I can see the advantages of a 12 or 13 footer to a good caster fishing a really big water.
But I'm never going to fish that type of water, so for me their advantages would be lost.
Not only is a shorter rod more useful if you want to be a bit mobile, but I find netting and landing fish a lot easier too.
It's like reels..... if I'm never going to fish an "ocean" why would I need big pits?
I certainly don't think shorter rods are a fad, or fashion.
There must be loads of guys fishing smaller lakes who are quite happy with these shorter rods.
We were brought up on 9 & 10' float and ledger rods and 6' spinning rods (carp rods hadn't even been invented
).Fast forward 50 years and I still prefer shorter rods. A 12' rod feels "unwieldy" in my hands.
Out of personal choice I prefer an 11 footer. I can be more accurate with it, and cast as far as I need.
I can see the advantages of a 12 or 13 footer to a good caster fishing a really big water.
But I'm never going to fish that type of water, so for me their advantages would be lost.
Not only is a shorter rod more useful if you want to be a bit mobile, but I find netting and landing fish a lot easier too.
It's like reels..... if I'm never going to fish an "ocean" why would I need big pits?
I certainly don't think shorter rods are a fad, or fashion.
There must be loads of guys fishing smaller lakes who are quite happy with these shorter rods.
In reply to Post #17
if I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side
. And moving is a doddle they sit in the unhooking mat nicely. In all honesty I've not had my little rods that long maybe used them 5 sessions caught fish on them 4 times and I've prob moved 4 sessions I don't think with my bigger rods and reels I would of bothered.
if I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side
. And moving is a doddle they sit in the unhooking mat nicely. In all honesty I've not had my little rods that long maybe used them 5 sessions caught fish on them 4 times and I've prob moved 4 sessions I don't think with my bigger rods and reels I would of bothered.
In reply to Post #18
"If I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side "
I was going to say that too!!
"If I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side "
I was going to say that too!!
In reply to Post #19
Just buying 9/10ft... cycling few miles to my swim on canal should be much easier now!
Just buying 9/10ft... cycling few miles to my swim on canal should be much easier now!
No doubt there are occasions where short rods are an advantage. For years people managed without them but with some clever marketing it's created a whole new market where you now own another set of rods and no doubt you'll want new reels, holdalls etc etc to go with them
You've been able to buy harrison/dymag/yateley, free spirit creepers and other designated stalking rods for years.
It's the scopes with big guides and big reels that's new.
Shorter rods apply power more efficiently so needn't be as high TC, cast more accurately at short range, fish come up to net closer to the bank and they're obviously lighter. How many spinning and boat rods have you seen over 9ft?
The reach you get around bank side vegetation is worse, line pick up at range and float control is pants and they won't cast as far. Again, how many beachcasters are below 12ft?
Makes me laugh when you see a stalking set up that comprises of 2-3 rods and alarms.... That's just fishing at close range with short rods
It's the scopes with big guides and big reels that's new.
Shorter rods apply power more efficiently so needn't be as high TC, cast more accurately at short range, fish come up to net closer to the bank and they're obviously lighter. How many spinning and boat rods have you seen over 9ft?
The reach you get around bank side vegetation is worse, line pick up at range and float control is pants and they won't cast as far. Again, how many beachcasters are below 12ft?
Makes me laugh when you see a stalking set up that comprises of 2-3 rods and alarms.... That's just fishing at close range with short rods
In reply to Post #1
I'd say it's more like for years we've been sold the absolute lie that you need 13ft casting pokers with a £1000 surf reel lashed to it.
Honestly as men sometimes we are so easily sold on stuff we don't need it's unbelievable....I too bought into the 10ft back in the 80s then 11ft then 12ft and then 13ft spending thousands along the way and then suddenly someone comes along and bingo back to 9ft scopes and loving them.
I think in all the years I've been carp fishing I've very rarely fished at over 100 yards so all the money I've spent has been a complete waste....the shorter rods are a lot better pack down if you have a smaller car, still have a really good playing action and the bonus for me is when I go abroad the water I fish is all from a boat so the 9ft rod is perfect for that too.
Sure they have their limitations i'e zig fishing but I've still got 12 footers to take instead.
Overall I really like them and won't be suckered again anytime soon
I'd say it's more like for years we've been sold the absolute lie that you need 13ft casting pokers with a £1000 surf reel lashed to it.
Honestly as men sometimes we are so easily sold on stuff we don't need it's unbelievable....I too bought into the 10ft back in the 80s then 11ft then 12ft and then 13ft spending thousands along the way and then suddenly someone comes along and bingo back to 9ft scopes and loving them.
I think in all the years I've been carp fishing I've very rarely fished at over 100 yards so all the money I've spent has been a complete waste....the shorter rods are a lot better pack down if you have a smaller car, still have a really good playing action and the bonus for me is when I go abroad the water I fish is all from a boat so the 9ft rod is perfect for that too.
Sure they have their limitations i'e zig fishing but I've still got 12 footers to take instead.
Overall I really like them and won't be suckered again anytime soon
In reply to Post #19
"If I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side "
I was going to say that too!!
.............that's all very well but when it's anything in excess of 200 yards across, or out of bounds on the far bank, or actually a 4 mile walk to the other side as with one lake I used to fish, then your 9ft rod just isn't going to cut it. Horses for courses I suppose.
"If I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side "
I was going to say that too!!
.............that's all very well but when it's anything in excess of 200 yards across, or out of bounds on the far bank, or actually a 4 mile walk to the other side as with one lake I used to fish, then your 9ft rod just isn't going to cut it. Horses for courses I suppose.
In reply to Post #24
I'd still use a shorter rod, and a boat
I'd still use a shorter rod, and a boat
Right tool for the job, I've got three yateley 10ft 2.75tc torrix but only use one to stay mobile or occasionally add a lite 12ft floater rod, so two remain unused and I bet there are loads of unused rods and reels tucked away all over the country.
I started using 9ft rods on two swims at my lake due to overhanging trees so I can cast overhead rather than just an under arm flick.The rest of the time its my 13ft Trebuchet Lites.
In reply to Post #27
If I ever have that problem I just cast kneeling down
If I ever have that problem I just cast kneeling down
In reply to Post #23
I am the same, being a big lad, 6ft 4 handling a 13 or 14ft rod is relatively easy. However, when fishing for pike in Scotland I got 2 Dave Lumb loch tamers 10ft 3.5lb. Needed these to wade out under trees to cast, and no you can't kneel down to cast when water is up to your armpits !
However, loved playing fish on the shorter rods and have used them at Rainbow where they are ideal in my option. Have also got 2 9ft Scopes and again, love them also for fish playing and good from a boat. I think that in a lot of instances we use long rods where short ones could be better, certainly when fishing short-medium range, but as always some will like them and others will not.
I am the same, being a big lad, 6ft 4 handling a 13 or 14ft rod is relatively easy. However, when fishing for pike in Scotland I got 2 Dave Lumb loch tamers 10ft 3.5lb. Needed these to wade out under trees to cast, and no you can't kneel down to cast when water is up to your armpits !
However, loved playing fish on the shorter rods and have used them at Rainbow where they are ideal in my option. Have also got 2 9ft Scopes and again, love them also for fish playing and good from a boat. I think that in a lot of instances we use long rods where short ones could be better, certainly when fishing short-medium range, but as always some will like them and others will not.
In reply to Post #28
You cant just kneel down if the cover is too low to hold a 12ft rod up to play the fish though.
You cant just kneel down if the cover is too low to hold a 12ft rod up to play the fish though.