In reply to Post #1988
Fake news coming from qwayne once again.
Fake news coming from qwayne once again.
In reply to Post #1994
Not sure anyone will believe that it's serious after you told us not to take you seriously there qwayne
Serious reply though, your reasons for voting for brexit were never actually on the cards, or set out in any certainty. None of it was. Just wondering why you voted for something you had no certainty of happening as if it would happen?
Not sure anyone will believe that it's serious after you told us not to take you seriously there qwayne
Serious reply though, your reasons for voting for brexit were never actually on the cards, or set out in any certainty. None of it was. Just wondering why you voted for something you had no certainty of happening as if it would happen?
In reply to Post #1994
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word that you're making a serious comment
(I realise I'm on shaky ground here...)
Your point about mass migration and the list of things that you see as being linked problems - do you realise that you were sold a lie if you think your 'leave' vote was to address these 'problems'?
children in schools - school funding is decided by the UK government - it wasn't an EU dictate. There is ample evidence that shows that migrant workers contributed more in terms of taxation than they 'cost' the economy. and education in this country is funded by taxation. Each extra child in a school is funded. The problem - prior to brexit and still now after - is that government funding of state education is neither fair, nor adequate - and it is and always has been the fault of the UK government.
workplace - what's the issue there? 'bloody foreigners taking our jobs'? skilled / willing workers paying tax. not a problem there. unless the perceived problem is employers exploiting migrant workers and dodging tax regulation etc. again, not a mass migration problem but an issue with unscrupulous UK employers.
Housing - again, if people are contributing to the economy, then they should reasonably expect somewhere to live - and the responsibility of council tax etc. that brings. UK government policies on building affordable housing are the issue - not mass migration.
the NHS - migrant workers (pre brexit and Priti's new restrictions) represent a huge proportion of NHS staff. a greater proportion than the equivalent percentage of population. We're talking skilled doctors and nurses right through to maintenance / cleaning / security / canteen staff. again - all taxpayers. Migrant workers could very easily be seen as a huge benefit to the NHS.
Do you see where I'm coming from? noj has it right - politics is divisive. And the brexit issue is perhaps the most divisive thing that we have faced in decades. it stoked up and fed off people's 'hate' / fear ' / selfishness. the huge posters of lots of different coloured people queueing up to 'get in'....? and by way of objectivity, the 'fear' of the economy collapsing after we left. both sides tapped into it. some arguments perhaps with more weight / fact behind them.
again - education is key. i know too many people who voted one way or another based on a single spoon fed justification.
for someone who regularly comments on seeing the truth and not being duped by mass media, i think they've had you.
anyhoo - it's happened now. the responsibility lies with Boris and co to make it work - which it currently isn't, but we're a month in. maybe the next set of elected MP's will be able to sort it out? it will be too late for a lot of smaller uk businesses and as such will contribute to job losses. but we can all have blue passports eh? (sarcasm smiley needed..?)
right - off to next lesson.
peace and love all
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word that you're making a serious comment
(I realise I'm on shaky ground here...)
Your point about mass migration and the list of things that you see as being linked problems - do you realise that you were sold a lie if you think your 'leave' vote was to address these 'problems'?
children in schools - school funding is decided by the UK government - it wasn't an EU dictate. There is ample evidence that shows that migrant workers contributed more in terms of taxation than they 'cost' the economy. and education in this country is funded by taxation. Each extra child in a school is funded. The problem - prior to brexit and still now after - is that government funding of state education is neither fair, nor adequate - and it is and always has been the fault of the UK government.
workplace - what's the issue there? 'bloody foreigners taking our jobs'? skilled / willing workers paying tax. not a problem there. unless the perceived problem is employers exploiting migrant workers and dodging tax regulation etc. again, not a mass migration problem but an issue with unscrupulous UK employers.
Housing - again, if people are contributing to the economy, then they should reasonably expect somewhere to live - and the responsibility of council tax etc. that brings. UK government policies on building affordable housing are the issue - not mass migration.
the NHS - migrant workers (pre brexit and Priti's new restrictions) represent a huge proportion of NHS staff. a greater proportion than the equivalent percentage of population. We're talking skilled doctors and nurses right through to maintenance / cleaning / security / canteen staff. again - all taxpayers. Migrant workers could very easily be seen as a huge benefit to the NHS.
Do you see where I'm coming from? noj has it right - politics is divisive. And the brexit issue is perhaps the most divisive thing that we have faced in decades. it stoked up and fed off people's 'hate' / fear ' / selfishness. the huge posters of lots of different coloured people queueing up to 'get in'....? and by way of objectivity, the 'fear' of the economy collapsing after we left. both sides tapped into it. some arguments perhaps with more weight / fact behind them.
again - education is key. i know too many people who voted one way or another based on a single spoon fed justification.
for someone who regularly comments on seeing the truth and not being duped by mass media, i think they've had you.
anyhoo - it's happened now. the responsibility lies with Boris and co to make it work - which it currently isn't, but we're a month in. maybe the next set of elected MP's will be able to sort it out? it will be too late for a lot of smaller uk businesses and as such will contribute to job losses. but we can all have blue passports eh? (sarcasm smiley needed..?)
right - off to next lesson.
peace and love all
In reply to Post #1995
“For instance if your business went out of business due to brexit then you can hate everyone that voted leave“
But of course that's a hypothetical situation which we, sorry I, can't reference in discussion
“For instance if your business went out of business due to brexit then you can hate everyone that voted leave“
But of course that's a hypothetical situation which we, sorry I, can't reference in discussion
For what it's worth I have no dog in the fight, I didn't vote in the referendum because I didn't feel well enough informed to choose either way.
So really I have no place discussing it apart from an outside perspective. I think both sides had their points, but it was never a decision that could please or benefit everyone
So really I have no place discussing it apart from an outside perspective. I think both sides had their points, but it was never a decision that could please or benefit everyone
In reply to Post #1999
Only hypothetical if it hasn't happened... sadly there are businesses that have gone, some are on the verge.
Just to clarify to you that using a hypothetical situation to state something WOULD have happened is different to using a hypothetical situation to say that someone COULD do something, because well, it stays in the realms of being hypothetical.
Sure Mal can teach you a bit more about the differences though.
Only hypothetical if it hasn't happened... sadly there are businesses that have gone, some are on the verge.
Just to clarify to you that using a hypothetical situation to state something WOULD have happened is different to using a hypothetical situation to say that someone COULD do something, because well, it stays in the realms of being hypothetical.
Sure Mal can teach you a bit more about the differences though.
In reply to Post #2001
Annoying isn't it, when somebody won't accept your opinion and deliberately argues every point.
Speaking of which.... As you're a sceptic of covid death tallies you could argue that some of those businesses have cited brexit as the cause of their collapse when it was an inevitability that simply coincided with it. Businesses fail all the time, I'm sure as argumentative *******s there's some figures somewhere we could manipulate to support the argument either way and carry on like this forever🤷🏻♂️
Annoying isn't it, when somebody won't accept your opinion and deliberately argues every point.
Speaking of which.... As you're a sceptic of covid death tallies you could argue that some of those businesses have cited brexit as the cause of their collapse when it was an inevitability that simply coincided with it. Businesses fail all the time, I'm sure as argumentative *******s there's some figures somewhere we could manipulate to support the argument either way and carry on like this forever🤷🏻♂️
In reply to Post #1998
Not totally flawed but I do see some flaws in you argument Mal.
I should point them out but I really can't be bothered at the moment. That's not me being rude to you but I can't be doing with interruptions from the others at the moment.
Another time
Not totally flawed but I do see some flaws in you argument Mal.
I should point them out but I really can't be bothered at the moment. That's not me being rude to you but I can't be doing with interruptions from the others at the moment.
Another time
In reply to Post #2003
i never claim to be perfect tinhead
just superior
i never claim to be perfect tinhead
just superior
In reply to Post #1998
Read it again Geeki, it was about making the establishment listen! I care not about the outcome if it disrupts there set up so to speak! I knew 350 million wasn't going to the NHS etc but **** them, no more money in the EU coffers which I'm sure most in government benefit from IE there lovely pensions etc.
Mal, I know all of that, and I would like to think many more do but people I can only assume have had enough of not being heard and money not being spent where it should.
Workplace - unskilled jobs in my mind should be filled by benefit claimants and if it's a meagre wage it's topped up accordingly, easing the burden on taxpayers and getting UK workers of there arse! I don't agree with flooding countries full of economic migrants! Our Government should also have been stricter with the free movement of people regarding benefits once here if they don't work even though most have and contribute to the economy!
Housing - sort of agree, housing should be available to all UK residents as a priority in my mind, then people who have come here to work. Affordable housing is a myth nowadays as scrupulous house builders sit on land waiting for the good times!
Schools - as you know I'm sure and as my wife knows schools have become a dumping ground for EU children with very little emphasis on learning English as the parents still regard it as the second language. the amount of children my wife says simply don't learn because the parents are not interested in helping and expect everything from the school. Schools have not had good funding for over 20yrs now!
NHS - skilled workers only, see my take on UK residents filling the unskilled jobs! Again underfunded to a degree but also a lot of waste and simply providing healthcare for people all over the world who come here! Government should have started clamping down about 24 yrs ago!
I see exactly where your coming from but have a different View obviously. That's enough seriousness from me and typing on an iPhone.
Read it again Geeki, it was about making the establishment listen! I care not about the outcome if it disrupts there set up so to speak! I knew 350 million wasn't going to the NHS etc but **** them, no more money in the EU coffers which I'm sure most in government benefit from IE there lovely pensions etc.
Mal, I know all of that, and I would like to think many more do but people I can only assume have had enough of not being heard and money not being spent where it should.
Workplace - unskilled jobs in my mind should be filled by benefit claimants and if it's a meagre wage it's topped up accordingly, easing the burden on taxpayers and getting UK workers of there arse! I don't agree with flooding countries full of economic migrants! Our Government should also have been stricter with the free movement of people regarding benefits once here if they don't work even though most have and contribute to the economy!
Housing - sort of agree, housing should be available to all UK residents as a priority in my mind, then people who have come here to work. Affordable housing is a myth nowadays as scrupulous house builders sit on land waiting for the good times!
Schools - as you know I'm sure and as my wife knows schools have become a dumping ground for EU children with very little emphasis on learning English as the parents still regard it as the second language. the amount of children my wife says simply don't learn because the parents are not interested in helping and expect everything from the school. Schools have not had good funding for over 20yrs now!
NHS - skilled workers only, see my take on UK residents filling the unskilled jobs! Again underfunded to a degree but also a lot of waste and simply providing healthcare for people all over the world who come here! Government should have started clamping down about 24 yrs ago!
I see exactly where your coming from but have a different View obviously. That's enough seriousness from me and typing on an iPhone.
In reply to Post #2005
i guess we are in some agreement on things there - if differing on some of the details
my underlying point was that the leave campaign tapped into the 'blame migrants for all the problems' mentality - for many, not all - which was a misdirection / fake news / lie (choose your own...)
regardless of all that, it seems I managed to succeed where all others have failed - i.e. to get a serious response from you
- which proves my previous point to tinhead in that I am clearly superior to everyone and you should all bow down to me
i guess we are in some agreement on things there - if differing on some of the details
my underlying point was that the leave campaign tapped into the 'blame migrants for all the problems' mentality - for many, not all - which was a misdirection / fake news / lie (choose your own...)
regardless of all that, it seems I managed to succeed where all others have failed - i.e. to get a serious response from you
- which proves my previous point to tinhead in that I am clearly superior to everyone and you should all bow down to me
In reply to Post #2002
I mean you aren't annoying me. I just thought you were a bit dim tbh because you couldn't understand simple wording and sentence structure Along with qwayne, tinny and the btec Rambo, you don't annoy me, I just laugh at you.
Considering the ONS have been pulled up by their regulator for manipulating data I think there's a very valid reason to be sceptical of any of the data they produce. I'd say if a business knows that brexit has made them go out of business, I doubt it's because of another reason. You'd have to consult the business owners as to if they are telling the truth or not (unless they are qwayne of course as you'd never get a straight answer )
Not sure why you'd want to deviate from the fact you intentionally misread my posts (or it was a genuine mistake but you don't want to admit that of course being the other option) by talking about the numbers of businesses that have stated brexit as a reason they have gone under. Maybe to divert from your error who knows.
Conversation is going nowhere, you tried to prove and point and for the second time it was a point that didn't have any relation to what I'd ACTUALLY said. Just what you wrongly assumed I did. I'd rather you spend you time at school than making pointless points
I mean you aren't annoying me. I just thought you were a bit dim tbh because you couldn't understand simple wording and sentence structure
Along with qwayne, tinny and the btec Rambo, you don't annoy me, I just laugh at you. Considering the ONS have been pulled up by their regulator for manipulating data I think there's a very valid reason to be sceptical of any of the data they produce. I'd say if a business knows that brexit has made them go out of business, I doubt it's because of another reason. You'd have to consult the business owners as to if they are telling the truth or not (unless they are qwayne of course as you'd never get a straight answer
) Not sure why you'd want to deviate from the fact you intentionally misread my posts (or it was a genuine mistake but you don't want to admit that of course being the other option) by talking about the numbers of businesses that have stated brexit as a reason they have gone under. Maybe to divert from your error who knows.
Conversation is going nowhere, you tried to prove and point and for the second time it was a point that didn't have any relation to what I'd ACTUALLY said. Just what you wrongly assumed I did. I'd rather you spend you time at school than making pointless points
In reply to Post #2006
So many do believe all this countries problems are from our European friends being here, I do not but as I have said I don't agree with aspects of the integration which was forced upon us from the Labour Party in 97 when they should have made things slightly more difficult to simply turn up and work and also stemmed the flow not just from the EU but the ROTW
That's me done, back to being a man of mystery......
So many do believe all this countries problems are from our European friends being here, I do not but as I have said I don't agree with aspects of the integration which was forced upon us from the Labour Party in 97 when they should have made things slightly more difficult to simply turn up and work and also stemmed the flow not just from the EU but the ROTW
That's me done, back to being a man of mystery......
In reply to Post #2008
What was the worst bit of integration that was forced upon you wayne? Did you have to spend every Thursday evening with a Latvian family? Did they refuse to serve you in the pub unless you could sing all three verses of the Polish national anthem? Were all letters from the council written in Bulgarian?
Seeing at today is the only time you've ever posted anything sincere, how come your biggest gripe being 'all the foreigners comin' over here' is absolutely no surprise at all. I must be psychic.
What was the worst bit of integration that was forced upon you wayne? Did you have to spend every Thursday evening with a Latvian family? Did they refuse to serve you in the pub unless you could sing all three verses of the Polish national anthem? Were all letters from the council written in Bulgarian?
Seeing at today is the only time you've ever posted anything sincere, how come your biggest gripe being 'all the foreigners comin' over here' is absolutely no surprise at all. I must be psychic.
In reply to Post #2009
**** off Jon, your a dick and always will be now go talk to your dog.......
**** off Jon, your a dick and always will be now go talk to your dog.......