In reply to Post #173
you do know Joss is right in everything he has questioned you on right?
Like you have nothing to offer any intelligent debate on this subject, neither does the petition and it will fall before it gets anywhere near 10,000 signatures.
Joss has done more for the fight against otters than 90% of the angling industry, so you're reasons for "not expecting him to be behind it" probably dont exist. just like the weight to the petition doesnt exist.
you do know Joss is right in everything he has questioned you on right?
Like you have nothing to offer any intelligent debate on this subject, neither does the petition and it will fall before it gets anywhere near 10,000 signatures.
Joss has done more for the fight against otters than 90% of the angling industry, so you're reasons for "not expecting him to be behind it" probably dont exist. just like the weight to the petition doesnt exist.
In reply to Post #174
ok cheers
ok cheers
In reply to Post #174
Spot on
.Keep up the good work Joss too topman doing alot behind the scenes and getting results with PAG 
Spot on
.Keep up the good work Joss too topman doing alot behind the scenes and getting results with PAG
Many moons ago I was asked to reword a petition that was couched in a total antagonistic manner. I did so and then launched a revised petition that was worded in much more conciliatory terms than this current one. It fell by the wayside with about 6,000 votes despite being featured on forums, Faceache, ****ter and even the mags. Petitions are NOT the way to go. Dialogue is...
In reply to Post #177
In reply to Post #176
Thank you mate
Thank you mate
In reply to Post #177
Yep. Agree with that Ken...
Yep. Agree with that Ken...
In reply to Post #174
In reply to Post #177
Out of interest, did the petition have to reach a certain number? Ie 10k, 100k etc etc
Out of interest, did the petition have to reach a certain number? Ie 10k, 100k etc etc
In reply to Post #177
Actually and this is a bit radical, maybe you have hit the nail on the head by mentioning Farcebook and sh*tter.
Remember the backlash against M+S a few weeks ago about their veggie cauliflower meal.
If anyone has pics of 'bird' predation by otters, get it out there to RSPB, MPs, friends family etc, hopefully but I doubt it that might move things on - shock tactics might work better.
A petition is not the way to go, only a very small minority of anglers will know about it, and indeed the problem certain areas have been affected by will not even bother other anglers , don't forget we on here are carp anglers - mainly - match anglers on commies prob couldn't toss.
Actually and this is a bit radical, maybe you have hit the nail on the head by mentioning Farcebook and sh*tter.
Remember the backlash against M+S a few weeks ago about their veggie cauliflower meal.
If anyone has pics of 'bird' predation by otters, get it out there to RSPB, MPs, friends family etc, hopefully but I doubt it that might move things on - shock tactics might work better.
A petition is not the way to go, only a very small minority of anglers will know about it, and indeed the problem certain areas have been affected by will not even bother other anglers , don't forget we on here are carp anglers - mainly - match anglers on commies prob couldn't toss.
In reply to Post #183
There's currently a photo of an otter that's killed a swan on Mk angling fb page...
There's currently a photo of an otter that's killed a swan on Mk angling fb page...
In reply to Post #184
Yeah but with the greatest of respect mate, no one here doubts the time effort and passion you put into this ..... BUT who apart from a few carp anglers are going to see it??
Yeah but with the greatest of respect mate, no one here doubts the time effort and passion you put into this ..... BUT who apart from a few carp anglers are going to see it??
I see the Angling Trust are now distancing themselves from this petition too.
*** Angling Trust response to Barbel Society petition ***
The Angling Trust was not consulted on the wording of this petition despite holding a meeting with the Barbel Society on otter predation in October 2017 and agreeing to work together through the Angling Trust's specialist angling group on this issue, which involves numerous other organisations.
Whilst this petition will no doubt provide a useful snapshot of anglers' frustrations with the impacts of otter predation, there is a danger that the wording and lack of clarity about what is meant by “non-lethal means of control” will either be misinterpreted or dismissed out of hand by government ministers. The Angling Trust has written to the Society asking for clarification but as this has not been forthcoming we are therefore unable to support this petition in its current form, but we do understand and share many of the concerns raised by its authors.
The Angling Trust is actively pursuing with Natural England and the Environment Agency a number of measures to manage the impact of otters on fisheries, as agreed with the Barbel Society last year.
The Angling Trust & Fish Legal continue to deliver a wide range of campaigns and legal action focussed on improving water quality, restoring healthy river flows and habitat in our rivers so that fish stocks are better placed to withstand the pressures of all forms of predation.
*** Angling Trust response to Barbel Society petition ***
The Angling Trust was not consulted on the wording of this petition despite holding a meeting with the Barbel Society on otter predation in October 2017 and agreeing to work together through the Angling Trust's specialist angling group on this issue, which involves numerous other organisations.
Whilst this petition will no doubt provide a useful snapshot of anglers' frustrations with the impacts of otter predation, there is a danger that the wording and lack of clarity about what is meant by “non-lethal means of control” will either be misinterpreted or dismissed out of hand by government ministers. The Angling Trust has written to the Society asking for clarification but as this has not been forthcoming we are therefore unable to support this petition in its current form, but we do understand and share many of the concerns raised by its authors.
The Angling Trust is actively pursuing with Natural England and the Environment Agency a number of measures to manage the impact of otters on fisheries, as agreed with the Barbel Society last year.
The Angling Trust & Fish Legal continue to deliver a wide range of campaigns and legal action focussed on improving water quality, restoring healthy river flows and habitat in our rivers so that fish stocks are better placed to withstand the pressures of all forms of predation.
In reply to Post #185
Trust me...you would be extremely surprised who sees things on social media...nothing goes un noticed especially re this topic
Trust me...you would be extremely surprised who sees things on social media...nothing goes un noticed especially re this topic
In reply to Post #186
Good on the AT
Good on the AT