Hello everyone. I have just watched a video on YouTube by Mathew Collins, which was about hook choice, rigs and some more very interesting ideas. I suggest you go check it out. Now some of the topics he raised in this was about mouth damage, along with the patterns of hook that can cause it. The two he mentioned were longshanks and also curved shank hooks. He stated how each in some situations can cause serious damage to fishes mouths when in the net and also being carried out of the water in a sling. I personally have never had any issues with these patterns but I'm interested to know about other people's opinions on mouth damage, these hook patterns and how we can change our rigs to stop this. I do recommend watching the video on YouTube for more context on this and also some good things to take away from it in regards to materials, gape and barbs/barbless. Thanks and would love to hear any opinions on the subject.
In reply to Post #1
Both of those varieties are banned on my water.
Both of those varieties are banned on my water.
In reply to Post #1
I've used both standard longshanks and curve shanks extensively for years and never had any issues with mouth damage.
I've used both standard longshanks and curve shanks extensively for years and never had any issues with mouth damage.
Personally I believe the damage is done by the angler not the hook pattern and a few other reasons other than just the hook, the type of hooklink materials used some are like razor wire, removal of the hook, playing of the fish when weeded padded up, snaggy hit and hold situations playing the fish too hard, then you get into the barbed v barbless argument.
Overgunned rods play a huge part in mouth damage , clutch not being set correctly or used ,at all , the main problem anglers jumping straight into carp fishing without learning the basics from a young age.
In reply to Post #5
what he said!
what he said!
In reply to Post #5
probably a lot of truth in that Jeff. Not sure what the answer it either - we cant stop people starting fishing......................or can we.......
probably a lot of truth in that Jeff. Not sure what the answer it either - we cant stop people starting fishing......................or can we.......
In reply to Post #5
Spot on.......
Spot on.......
In reply to Post #7
I believe damage caused by barbed hooks is mainly by poor unhooking ie people not using forceps when required and ripping their hooks out also not using cutters on the rare occasion they are needed.They dont want to have to throw the rig away.
I believe damage caused by barbed hooks is mainly by poor unhooking ie people not using forceps when required and ripping their hooks out also not using cutters on the rare occasion they are needed.They dont want to have to throw the rig away.
In reply to Post #9
That doesn't explain the sides of the mouth being ripped tho.
Thin Mono / Braid hoolinks, newly stocked fish that have been brought up on pellet, people not being able to play fish properly, fish getting caught too often.
That doesn't explain the sides of the mouth being ripped tho.
Thin Mono / Braid hoolinks, newly stocked fish that have been brought up on pellet, people not being able to play fish properly, fish getting caught too often.
In reply to Post #9
Why I personally like to use barbless hooks, and occasionally micro barbed. The hook holds with barbless I've found have been absolutely brilliant, the hook cleanly in the fishes mouth, and also so easy to unhook. Furthermore I have had no more hook pulls than I would get with barbed, which is the main argument with barbed or barbless hooks. So puts down the myths about barbless for me, I'm going to use them for the foreseeable future.
Why I personally like to use barbless hooks, and occasionally micro barbed. The hook holds with barbless I've found have been absolutely brilliant, the hook cleanly in the fishes mouth, and also so easy to unhook. Furthermore I have had no more hook pulls than I would get with barbed, which is the main argument with barbed or barbless hooks. So puts down the myths about barbless for me, I'm going to use them for the foreseeable future.
In reply to Post #4
I think that it might be down to both, a curved shanked hook is much like a bent hook and a longshank hook I have found to cause damage on a few rare occasions because the eye has dug into the flesh and that had been done during the fight when I was using a very soft rod, a barbel rod to be exact, so I think that hook patterns do cause mouth damage and some by poor angling from the part the fish is in the net to when it is on the mat and then transferred back to the water; however as previously mentioned thing such as a stiff rod and tight clutch can cause mouth damage.
I think that it might be down to both, a curved shanked hook is much like a bent hook and a longshank hook I have found to cause damage on a few rare occasions because the eye has dug into the flesh and that had been done during the fight when I was using a very soft rod, a barbel rod to be exact, so I think that hook patterns do cause mouth damage and some by poor angling from the part the fish is in the net to when it is on the mat and then transferred back to the water; however as previously mentioned thing such as a stiff rod and tight clutch can cause mouth damage.
Talking of mouth damage!
https://youtu.be/GsjFnuRTVmg
https://youtu.be/GsjFnuRTVmg
In reply to Post #8
Agree, striking into fish ffs
Heavy leads that plug into silt too, fished a couple of waters over the years and fish mouths have been horrendous
As for long shank hooks, not a fan myself and never have been, with shrink tube no excuses for me either. When a fish runs it runs away from you, for a me a long shank hook depending on placement can have a lever effect on the lip / mouth. Saying that I guess no hook is ideal
Agree, striking into fish ffs
Heavy leads that plug into silt too, fished a couple of waters over the years and fish mouths have been horrendous
As for long shank hooks, not a fan myself and never have been, with shrink tube no excuses for me either. When a fish runs it runs away from you, for a me a long shank hook depending on placement can have a lever effect on the lip / mouth. Saying that I guess no hook is ideal
In reply to Post #12
What do you mean by curved hooks? Curved shanks are nothing like a bent hook or longshanks?
What do you mean by curved hooks? Curved shanks are nothing like a bent hook or longshanks?