Gents
Looking for some advice, Ive been making my own BM1 based bait for a while now (once again kudos to pete for sharing it), and have always used eggs, and usually use the shell too - probably more a confidence thing for me - my thinking is it adds texture to the bait. Having said that, I havent noticed any difference in catch rates with or without the shell.
Anyway - the shell asside - Im thinking abouts switching to whole egg powder - simply for convienience, but have never used it before. Just wondered what others who've done the switch have thought, and how youve used it. Do you just add it to your dry ingredients, or do you make up a liquid with it and add it to your base mix at the point of mixing.
And what do you do in terms of adding liquids - do you use water, or do you just up the liquid additives ?
I use Salmon oil, Tuna, Squid, Krill hydroslates and ccmoores GLM liquid extract, and usually add them to the eggs along with some betaine and JB plumb and the betaine.
My bait is usually quite soft - thats how I like it as I tend to fish short sessions and short ranges and want it leaching out all the solubles. I do however make hard hookers and corkballs.
After boiling just until they float and drying for at least 24 hours (sometimes longer) they get a nice glug in a concoction of the hydroslates and betaine before freezing.
I used to use RobinRed, but in all honesty cant say I have noticed any difference with or without it.
Only down side to glugging with the hydroslates is the bait seems to pull in every fly for a square mile around me - so have to leave the bait in an air-dry bag well away from my bivvy
So, back to the point of my post. Should I just use neat liquid additives with the whole egg powder and then mix it with my basemix ? ...cost isnt really an issue using neat hydroslates as I don't make/use huge amounts - I usually like to have 10-15kg in the freezer at any one time and kind of make it up on demand so to speak. But would the inclusion of that much hydroslate be counter productive ? ....should I dilute it with water ?
Has anyone noticed any effects in switching to egg powder rather than whole eggs ?
Looking for some advice, Ive been making my own BM1 based bait for a while now (once again kudos to pete for sharing it), and have always used eggs, and usually use the shell too - probably more a confidence thing for me - my thinking is it adds texture to the bait. Having said that, I havent noticed any difference in catch rates with or without the shell.
Anyway - the shell asside - Im thinking abouts switching to whole egg powder - simply for convienience, but have never used it before. Just wondered what others who've done the switch have thought, and how youve used it. Do you just add it to your dry ingredients, or do you make up a liquid with it and add it to your base mix at the point of mixing.
And what do you do in terms of adding liquids - do you use water, or do you just up the liquid additives ?
I use Salmon oil, Tuna, Squid, Krill hydroslates and ccmoores GLM liquid extract, and usually add them to the eggs along with some betaine and JB plumb and the betaine.
My bait is usually quite soft - thats how I like it as I tend to fish short sessions and short ranges and want it leaching out all the solubles. I do however make hard hookers and corkballs.
After boiling just until they float and drying for at least 24 hours (sometimes longer) they get a nice glug in a concoction of the hydroslates and betaine before freezing.
I used to use RobinRed, but in all honesty cant say I have noticed any difference with or without it.
Only down side to glugging with the hydroslates is the bait seems to pull in every fly for a square mile around me - so have to leave the bait in an air-dry bag well away from my bivvy
So, back to the point of my post. Should I just use neat liquid additives with the whole egg powder and then mix it with my basemix ? ...cost isnt really an issue using neat hydroslates as I don't make/use huge amounts - I usually like to have 10-15kg in the freezer at any one time and kind of make it up on demand so to speak. But would the inclusion of that much hydroslate be counter productive ? ....should I dilute it with water ?
Has anyone noticed any effects in switching to egg powder rather than whole eggs ?
I've used powdered egg and real egg on numerous mixes (not the mix you've mentioned) and can honestly say there's no substitute for real eggs for rolling a mix.
With powdered mix all your liquids and water together in a measuring jug. The mix is dependent on the quantity of water needed.
My advice, stick to real eggs if possible.
With powdered mix all your liquids and water together in a measuring jug. The mix is dependent on the quantity of water needed.
My advice, stick to real eggs if possible.
In reply to Post #1
Absolutely no issue with whole egg powder, since changing to it it's made absolutely no difference to my bait. Far more convenient too.
I mix it up with my liquids using water. My opinion, ditch the eggs.
Absolutely no issue with whole egg powder, since changing to it it's made absolutely no difference to my bait. Far more convenient too.
I mix it up with my liquids using water. My opinion, ditch the eggs.
In reply to Post #2
Agree, fresh eggs is best for me. The best bait companies I have ever dealt with use eggs, not the powdered stuff that sits around in barrels going rank. Eggs are packed with protein.......use this as you have gone to so much trouble to construct a nice basemix and you are using all those lovely additives and hydros. Why cut the corner? Keep your bait in tip top condition and add ten percent to those confidence levels
Agree, fresh eggs is best for me. The best bait companies I have ever dealt with use eggs, not the powdered stuff that sits around in barrels going rank. Eggs are packed with protein.......use this as you have gone to so much trouble to construct a nice basemix and you are using all those lovely additives and hydros. Why cut the corner? Keep your bait in tip top condition and add ten percent to those confidence levels
In reply to Post #1
I have been inside 4 bait making company's and they all used eggs.
Read into that what you will
I have been inside 4 bait making company's and they all used eggs.
Read into that what you will
In reply to Post #5
Can anyone explain the difference in attraction, structure of bait using fresh eggs or egg powder?
Cause here on the mainland every big bait company is using egg powder or ep60.
I stopped using eggs because it's less messy. Just add your liquids and water. No eggs to break etc.
Over the years i used several replacements such as bloodpowder, red cell, guar gum, egg powder and ep60.
And if you fool around with some you gain attraction because your baits become more 'open' compared to the use of fresh eggs.
Can anyone explain the difference in attraction, structure of bait using fresh eggs or egg powder?
Cause here on the mainland every big bait company is using egg powder or ep60.
I stopped using eggs because it's less messy. Just add your liquids and water. No eggs to break etc.
Over the years i used several replacements such as bloodpowder, red cell, guar gum, egg powder and ep60.
And if you fool around with some you gain attraction because your baits become more 'open' compared to the use of fresh eggs.
I started using whole egg powder about 18 months ago. I won't be going back to fresh eggs. So much quicker, easier and no more last minute runs to the shop when I get time to make bait. Only thing to be careful of is which whole egg powder you are using as some have a high fat content.
In reply to Post #5
You will be amazed how many do not
You will be amazed how many do not
In reply to Post #1
To add some of my own (perhaps sketchy) rationale behind this....
First off, my wife and I are extremely careful about what we eat, both of use follow a fairly close Paleo diet so are extremely mindful of nutrition. I train a lot and so does my wife, and we both see and feel the difference in terms of eating clean and nutritional food.
The thing is, even though I try to source the best "quality" ingredients for my bait, at the end of the day the ingredients themselves are highly processed, so to my mind the nutritional difference between say whole egg powder vs real eggs in terms of nutritional benefit is somewhat irrelevant. Its not like we only use grass-fed meat and whole foods in our bait is it.
I think my main concern is if there is a definite measurable difference in performance of the bait. Also, its important that the bait is still easy to roll and has the same characteristics as my bait made with real eggs, i.e. holds together underwater for at least 24 and leaches out my solubles.
I think I'll have a tinker with a small batch with whole egg powder, and will stick to my current ratio's for additives and see how it goes.
Perhaps i'm over thinking it, but do those who use whole egg powder also use tap water ?
To add some of my own (perhaps sketchy) rationale behind this....
First off, my wife and I are extremely careful about what we eat, both of use follow a fairly close Paleo diet so are extremely mindful of nutrition. I train a lot and so does my wife, and we both see and feel the difference in terms of eating clean and nutritional food.
The thing is, even though I try to source the best "quality" ingredients for my bait, at the end of the day the ingredients themselves are highly processed, so to my mind the nutritional difference between say whole egg powder vs real eggs in terms of nutritional benefit is somewhat irrelevant. Its not like we only use grass-fed meat and whole foods in our bait is it.
I think my main concern is if there is a definite measurable difference in performance of the bait. Also, its important that the bait is still easy to roll and has the same characteristics as my bait made with real eggs, i.e. holds together underwater for at least 24 and leaches out my solubles.
I think I'll have a tinker with a small batch with whole egg powder, and will stick to my current ratio's for additives and see how it goes.
Perhaps i'm over thinking it, but do those who use whole egg powder also use tap water ?
In reply to Post #9
Yes, tap water. Don't over complicate things. They're mud pigs at the end of the day.
Yes, tap water. Don't over complicate things. They're mud pigs at the end of the day.
In reply to Post #9
Using tap water!
Using tap water!
In reply to Post #11
Keeper boy, Do Blake's bait use Real eggs in all there baits?
Keeper boy, Do Blake's bait use Real eggs in all there baits?
In reply to Post #12
Only our own baits at the moment (hnv pro, milky nut, new red fish pro). The whole range will be fresh eggs by next year and all freezer baits will be made with fresh eggs always.
Only our own baits at the moment (hnv pro, milky nut, new red fish pro). The whole range will be fresh eggs by next year and all freezer baits will be made with fresh eggs always.
In reply to Post #13
Ahh right, ok.
Didn't really like any of those new mixes, Geoff's Baits were miles better.
Are you going to copy his Baits soon then or demand he uses fresh eggs.
Ahh right, ok.
Didn't really like any of those new mixes, Geoff's Baits were miles better.
Are you going to copy his Baits soon then or demand he uses fresh eggs.
In reply to Post #13
Keeperboy, do you see a difference in the catching rates of the same mix produced with eggs or egg powder?
Because i don't
Keeperboy, do you see a difference in the catching rates of the same mix produced with eggs or egg powder?
Because i don't