Hi, just after some feedback about what the best sinking braid is for long range casting, I've heard the fox naturals is good for actual measured diameter (not package stated) vs actual breaking strain. I've tried the avid and it doesn't cast too well. Any help would be great
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Fox Submerge - excellent on the cast, very thin and sinks well. Best all round sinking braid I've ever used.
Fox Submerge - excellent on the cast, very thin and sinks well. Best all round sinking braid I've ever used.
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Thanks, I ended up trying the naturals one in the meantime, it's not great, sinks really slowly and doesn't cast well at all. I'll look into the original submerge
Thanks, I ended up trying the naturals one in the meantime, it's not great, sinks really slowly and doesn't cast well at all. I'll look into the original submerge
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Sinking braids generally aren't great for casting.
Sinking braids generally aren't great for casting.
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This much I have gathered, I'm just wondering which one was the best, from what I can make out the best casting ones aren't much heavy than neutral buoyancy. Most floating braids have a density of 0.9 ish I think. Alot of the ones we are sold as sinking are grossly underestimated regarding diameter measurements. I'm just trying to find the best that's available really- suffix 131 is an option from what I can tell but one wind knot and you're 80 quid down! Anyone tried the pb or suffix 832?
This much I have gathered, I'm just wondering which one was the best, from what I can make out the best casting ones aren't much heavy than neutral buoyancy. Most floating braids have a density of 0.9 ish I think. Alot of the ones we are sold as sinking are grossly underestimated regarding diameter measurements. I'm just trying to find the best that's available really- suffix 131 is an option from what I can tell but one wind knot and you're 80 quid down! Anyone tried the pb or suffix 832?
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I have found the Avid sinking braid be the best all rounder
I have found the Avid sinking braid be the best all rounder
I have tried all sorts over the last decade & I am of the opinion there isn't a perfect braid.
the closest I have got is Powerpro in 30lb (moss green) - it's neutral buoyancy & it will stay sunk once you submerge it but it won't sink.
the price isn't too bad (I load up from 150yd spools), it's hard-wearing, abrasion resistance against weed is good (rocks & mussels, not so good), decent diameter, doesn't fade, knots well & is very strong.
the closest I have got is Powerpro in 30lb (moss green) - it's neutral buoyancy & it will stay sunk once you submerge it but it won't sink.
the price isn't too bad (I load up from 150yd spools), it's hard-wearing, abrasion resistance against weed is good (rocks & mussels, not so good), decent diameter, doesn't fade, knots well & is very strong.
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Thanks, did you ever try the suffix 832?
Thanks, did you ever try the suffix 832?
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I did try it on a reel as a lot of people really rate it.
I personally found that it didn't stand up to snags / weed as well as PP & it lost its dye a lot quicker than I expected. May have been where I was fishing at the time but it didn't give me as much confidence.
I did try it on a reel as a lot of people really rate it.
I personally found that it didn't stand up to snags / weed as well as PP & it lost its dye a lot quicker than I expected. May have been where I was fishing at the time but it didn't give me as much confidence.
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Ah thanks, I hear it sinks but pretty slowly, sounds like an open water kind of braid
Ah thanks, I hear it sinks but pretty slowly, sounds like an open water kind of braid
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both do.
I've found them to be neutral bouyancy & in most conditions stay sunk to wherever you sink them to. I have found that in warm water & when there are algae blooms, bubbles & particle can attach to the braid to pop it up.
I use medium sized bobbins on semi tight lines with no issues but could see really slack lines being a PITA
both do.
I've found them to be neutral bouyancy & in most conditions stay sunk to wherever you sink them to. I have found that in warm water & when there are algae blooms, bubbles & particle can attach to the braid to pop it up.
I use medium sized bobbins on semi tight lines with no issues but could see really slack lines being a PITA
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The avid stuff is pretty good.
I use this for long range over 110 yards.
Use the Gardner hydro sink for under 110 yards
The avid stuff is pretty good.
I use this for long range over 110 yards.
Use the Gardner hydro sink for under 110 yards
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Any opinion on the thinking anglers version,it was suggested to bme but all the shops seem to be sold out, Johnson Ross said they sell a lot of it.
Any opinion on the thinking anglers version,it was suggested to bme but all the shops seem to be sold out, Johnson Ross said they sell a lot of it.
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Spooled up with the avid outline braid last week on the bank, it arrived late and had to do it on the bank. 140 yards with ease, surprisingly sunk very well for a thin braid aswell so far get the thumbs up for me. Very impressed.
Spooled up with the avid outline braid last week on the bank, it arrived late and had to do it on the bank. 140 yards with ease, surprisingly sunk very well for a thin braid aswell so far get the thumbs up for me. Very impressed.
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It's it 0.49? Unless they've released a lighter one.
It's it 0.49? Unless they've released a lighter one.
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Wow, that's certainly further than I'm getting it, mono in the same diameter is fairly straight forward at that distance but I'm struggling to get that distance with the avid braid and a 4.25 lead. I've found it to be the best so far though, I'll try the nash baseline next
Wow, that's certainly further than I'm getting it, mono in the same diameter is fairly straight forward at that distance but I'm struggling to get that distance with the avid braid and a 4.25 lead. I've found it to be the best so far though, I'll try the nash baseline next
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The avid braid does cast a lot better than the current thinking anglers braid but i do think ta are bringing out a thinner one.
Ive been using the avid braid but until recently hadnt tried fishing over 100yds i initially struggled as the braid had bedded in on itself at around the 100yd mark and was tight to pull off the spool but after peeling a bit more off was easily getting 120 with 3 1/4 rod and 3.5 oz lead
The avid braid does cast a lot better than the current thinking anglers braid but i do think ta are bringing out a thinner one.
Ive been using the avid braid but until recently hadnt tried fishing over 100yds i initially struggled as the braid had bedded in on itself at around the 100yd mark and was tight to pull off the spool but after peeling a bit more off was easily getting 120 with 3 1/4 rod and 3.5 oz lead
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The new TA braid is still going to be the same thickness as Gardner noir, so around the 0.40 mark, the original TA stuff is 0.49 as measured by the tackle box which seems to be about the most accurate data sheet I can find.
I'm due some of the new TA braid as soon as it's in stock, the next week weeks
I believe so will pass on my thoughts once I've had some off them and put it on my spools to replace the battered noir on them currently
The new TA braid is still going to be the same thickness as Gardner noir, so around the 0.40 mark, the original TA stuff is 0.49 as measured by the tackle box which seems to be about the most accurate data sheet I can find.
I'm due some of the new TA braid as soon as it's in stock, the next week weeks
I believe so will pass on my thoughts once I've had some off them and put it on my spools to replace the battered noir on them currently
Had anyone tried the Katran SBM?
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Have had this happen a few times on our yearly trips ,like you say when theres colour & lot of suspended particles in water , tried everything ( using hydrosink) you think youve sunk it & an hour later its all floating on the surface again , have had to swop all rods back to mono , seem to remember watching a dave lane video where he say theres nothing you can do about it , unless anyone knows any different ?
Have had this happen a few times on our yearly trips ,like you say when theres colour & lot of suspended particles in water , tried everything ( using hydrosink) you think youve sunk it & an hour later its all floating on the surface again , have had to swop all rods back to mono , seem to remember watching a dave lane video where he say theres nothing you can do about it , unless anyone knows any different ?
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I think that's unavoidable isn't it. Still interested in the pb gear
I think that's unavoidable isn't it. Still interested in the pb gear
Has anyone tried applying Xink to their lines, braid or mono? It is a liquid fly sinkant, but also used on leaders to help them sink.
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I thought about this aswell, I think it works similar to a detergent by reducing surface tension, it doesn't make it any heavier so to speak but it could help with the tricky bit of getting it just under the surface at the beginning. So it could help a slow sinker like 832 to become a bit more user friendly
I thought about this aswell, I think it works similar to a detergent by reducing surface tension, it doesn't make it any heavier so to speak but it could help with the tricky bit of getting it just under the surface at the beginning. So it could help a slow sinker like 832 to become a bit more user friendly
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I thought it worked in the same way but after reading the blurb I'm not so sure. It's described as "wetter than water". Their floatant version (Gink) has a specific gravity of 0.77, so was hoping that Xink would work in the opposite way, ie having a SG of over 1.0. If this was the case it should soak into braid helping it sink. May cut down casting distance though.
I thought it worked in the same way but after reading the blurb I'm not so sure. It's described as "wetter than water". Their floatant version (Gink) has a specific gravity of 0.77, so was hoping that Xink would work in the opposite way, ie having a SG of over 1.0. If this was the case it should soak into braid helping it sink. May cut down casting distance though.
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I'll give it a go, going to need plenty of it I think!
I'll give it a go, going to need plenty of it I think!
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I'm currently using 22lb hydro sink and generally happy with it, but struggling to hit the distances that I would like to (90 yards is about as far as I can push it)
I'm thinking about trying something else - Has anyone tried the following and can comment on how well they cast?
Avid Outline
Katran SBM
TA SBX in 25lb
I'm drawn to the TA as an all round line, but think that the Avid might be the better choice for distance. Can't see much info on the Katran, but it looks good in principle...
I'm currently using 22lb hydro sink and generally happy with it, but struggling to hit the distances that I would like to (90 yards is about as far as I can push it)
I'm thinking about trying something else - Has anyone tried the following and can comment on how well they cast?
Avid Outline
Katran SBM
TA SBX in 25lb
I'm drawn to the TA as an all round line, but think that the Avid might be the better choice for distance. Can't see much info on the Katran, but it looks good in principle...
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I have both the sbx in 25lb and the avid outline braid also.
Avid wins for casting hands down. Far smoother, thinner, everything about it lends itself to be a better casting line. Sinks ok, thinking anglers stuff is really nice also, sinks far better, casts well, but if you were looking at maximising I'd go down the avid route. I have 2 lots of 4 spools so use both now on the bigger pit I've been fishing, mainly the sbx unless I want to go over 120 yards, then the avid stuff comes out.
I have both the sbx in 25lb and the avid outline braid also.
Avid wins for casting hands down. Far smoother, thinner, everything about it lends itself to be a better casting line. Sinks ok, thinking anglers stuff is really nice also, sinks far better, casts well, but if you were looking at maximising I'd go down the avid route. I have 2 lots of 4 spools so use both now on the bigger pit I've been fishing, mainly the sbx unless I want to go over 120 yards, then the avid stuff comes out.
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Is the fox naturals worth looking at?
The 45lb is only 0.25..35lb only 0.20
Is the fox naturals worth looking at?
The 45lb is only 0.25..35lb only 0.20
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Don't take stated braid diameters as gospel...
I got some china braid, stated diameter of 0.286, but seemed quite thick on the spools.
Measured it with a micrometer and it was 0.35...
Some of the variations on the tackle box line tests are very noticeable.
Don't take stated braid diameters as gospel...
I got some china braid, stated diameter of 0.286, but seemed quite thick on the spools.
Measured it with a micrometer and it was 0.35...
Some of the variations on the tackle box line tests are very noticeable.
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It is thin, but I would say it's not 45lb breaking strain. Ive been using it since it came out. You have to wet it up first or it is a bugger to sink, wind drifts bad it it's floating.
Its now gray in colour which happened very quickly. I use fluro leaders so not end of world for my style of fishing but it is very visible.
Just waiting for tackle box to do tests
It is thin, but I would say it's not 45lb breaking strain. Ive been using it since it came out. You have to wet it up first or it is a bugger to sink, wind drifts bad it it's floating.
Its now gray in colour which happened very quickly. I use fluro leaders so not end of world for my style of fishing but it is very visible.
Just waiting for tackle box to do tests
I rate the Gardner hydro sink noir distance stuff as a good distance braid. 20lb and 0.28 I think.
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