Well **** me, Brexit, global warming, Covid and now Nukes being parked on the border of Europe and The Ukraine........Just need aliens turning up and a meteor on collision course with earth for a full house....... 
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Don't forget the solar flares
Don't forget the solar flares
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Cheers Duggs, forgot about them....... 
Cheers Duggs, forgot about them.......
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Don't forget the solar flares
.. are they in direct competition with the Korda combat trousers?
Don't forget the solar flares
.. are they in direct competition with the Korda combat trousers?
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I know I shouldn't but very good ......
I know I shouldn't but very good ......
Russian troops holding live fire exercises in Belarus. Very handy if you wanted to invade Ukraine from the North and East. Cutting off Kiev and everything Ukrainian East of the huge Dnipro river.
Sup up your beer and collect your fags....
Sup up your beer and collect your fags....
As long as they sterilise those nukes first to minimise the spread of covid then let's get it on.
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This is the start of a new proxy war which will last for the rest of our lifetimes. The question is, where is NATO's red line. Ukraine will fall and we'll accept it. I think any further incursions into Estonia/Lithuania will be that red line. Thing is, we are so reliant on Russian money. Any massive financial punishment for an invasion will just result in Russia switching the tap off and pull out vast amount of finances out of the UK.
Russia has more troops on the border of Ukraine than we do on our whole little island. That's not including those in Belarus, Moldova and Crimea.
It's alright though, just make sure you get their pronouns correct and we may be able to have a work do at christmas with any luck.
This is the start of a new proxy war which will last for the rest of our lifetimes. The question is, where is NATO's red line. Ukraine will fall and we'll accept it. I think any further incursions into Estonia/Lithuania will be that red line. Thing is, we are so reliant on Russian money. Any massive financial punishment for an invasion will just result in Russia switching the tap off and pull out vast amount of finances out of the UK.
Russia has more troops on the border of Ukraine than we do on our whole little island. That's not including those in Belarus, Moldova and Crimea.
It's alright though, just make sure you get their pronouns correct and we may be able to have a work do at christmas with any luck.
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Doesn't Russia need London as a place to clean it's money as much as London needs Russia's money? (hard to word that)
Doesn't Russia need London as a place to clean it's money as much as London needs Russia's money? (hard to word that)
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I know what you mean. I guess they have already made a tidy profit in commercial/residential property. They'll walk out with more than they put in anyway. Plenty of other tiny little carribean islands etc that will gladly take the investment. It's the reason why you will also see wealthy north africans walking around with St Lucian passports. Free movement to place their money into whichever venture they wish.
Soon, it will be very difficult for Russian nationals to go anywhere outside of their own country without scrutiny, so they will just buy their way to freedom of movement. Nowadays, it's more difficult for a Bulgarian van driver to work here than it is a Russian asset. Labour just proved that by employing one in the shadow government. It's no shock to many why there are 100,000 Chinese nationals studying here. They have made a nice living out of thieving intellectual property to then use against us.
I know what you mean. I guess they have already made a tidy profit in commercial/residential property. They'll walk out with more than they put in anyway. Plenty of other tiny little carribean islands etc that will gladly take the investment. It's the reason why you will also see wealthy north africans walking around with St Lucian passports. Free movement to place their money into whichever venture they wish.
Soon, it will be very difficult for Russian nationals to go anywhere outside of their own country without scrutiny, so they will just buy their way to freedom of movement. Nowadays, it's more difficult for a Bulgarian van driver to work here than it is a Russian asset. Labour just proved that by employing one in the shadow government. It's no shock to many why there are 100,000 Chinese nationals studying here. They have made a nice living out of thieving intellectual property to then use against us.
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Roughly years ago, my boss at the time flew his own turboprop, we went to the netherlands via Biggin Hill airport and it was literally filled with Russians in private jets. Never seen anything like it.
Roughly years ago, my boss at the time flew his own turboprop, we went to the netherlands via Biggin Hill airport and it was literally filled with Russians in private jets. Never seen anything like it.
I don't do political stuff but
Just a quick Google brings up Americans doing no different with the likes of North Korea
Just ramping up tensions
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/east-asia/us-south-korea-military-drills-nk-b1949057.html
Could probably find loads more of these if I looked enough
Putin says he isn't going to invade it's just manoeuvres
He must be laughing his rowlocks off at the way we are all scrambling like headless chickens
who do you trust
Boris and his inept government ?
The Americans who said that the Iraqis could Launch weapons of mass destruction in 10 mins that was proven they didn't have them and led us into an i winnable war that led to the loss of thousands of our troops and innocent people?
Just a quick Google brings up Americans doing no different with the likes of North Korea
Just ramping up tensions
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/east-asia/us-south-korea-military-drills-nk-b1949057.html
Could probably find loads more of these if I looked enough
Putin says he isn't going to invade it's just manoeuvres
He must be laughing his rowlocks off at the way we are all scrambling like headless chickens
who do you trust
Boris and his inept government ?
The Americans who said that the Iraqis could Launch weapons of mass destruction in 10 mins that was proven they didn't have them and led us into an i winnable war that led to the loss of thousands of our troops and innocent people?
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I think you're letting tory Blair off the hook with that last point there...
You can see they're already on the spin with it. Flexing impotent muscles against putin who already has us by the you know what's with the control of oil and gas prices / supply.
Imagine it - truss and raab threatening to restrict exports of wensleydale and Lincolnshire sausages while the big bear just turns the taps off.
It's a not very subtle attempt to divert from the latest revelation of lies and hypocrisy
Pritti has been very quiet of late... preparing for the leadership battle maybe?
I think you're letting tory Blair off the hook with that last point there...
You can see they're already on the spin with it. Flexing impotent muscles against putin who already has us by the you know what's with the control of oil and gas prices / supply.
Imagine it - truss and raab threatening to restrict exports of wensleydale and Lincolnshire sausages while the big bear just turns the taps off.
It's a not very subtle attempt to divert from the latest revelation of lies and hypocrisy
Pritti has been very quiet of late... preparing for the leadership battle maybe?
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But he was a puppet
bush must have laughed when tony b liar said we would go lol
Both should be up for war crimes
But he was a puppet
bush must have laughed when tony b liar said we would go lol
Both should be up for war crimes
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Too be fair Mal, he can't just turn the taps off, sales of his gas etc are what keep the Russian lights on........you will find that if there was a real war in Europe the Europeans will still be buying the gas and the Russians will still be selling it, no gas sales no money for bombs! The Europeans will be paying for their own downfall. Russia will more than likely have a big problem in the next 30 years as we start to move over to re-useable energy, unless of course they manage to sell a hell of a lot of their Vodka! Putin knows this hence why he doesn't sign up to most of the climate change policies.
Too be fair Mal, he can't just turn the taps off, sales of his gas etc are what keep the Russian lights on........you will find that if there was a real war in Europe the Europeans will still be buying the gas and the Russians will still be selling it, no gas sales no money for bombs! The Europeans will be paying for their own downfall. Russia will more than likely have a big problem in the next 30 years as we start to move over to re-useable energy, unless of course they manage to sell a hell of a lot of their Vodka! Putin knows this hence why he doesn't sign up to most of the climate change policies.
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Lots of countries have defence partnerships and have joint operations. Russians do this yearly, but their equipment returns to the origin. The movement of non-combatant vehicles by train over hundreds of miles and in numbers not seen before contradicts these are just 'manoeuvres". You don't move troops and equipment of this scale onto 3 of Ukraine's borders, especially Moldova, if you don't have an intention of making them "combat ready".
It's not just Boris. This is a NATO matter, so many NATO countries have sent troops, weapons, ammo and equipment to the front line.
If you have an hour to kill, research where the front lines are then have a look on google earth. It's sobering to see the WW1 style trenches, and the fields between which are blistered from artillery shelling.
Lots of countries have defence partnerships and have joint operations. Russians do this yearly, but their equipment returns to the origin. The movement of non-combatant vehicles by train over hundreds of miles and in numbers not seen before contradicts these are just 'manoeuvres". You don't move troops and equipment of this scale onto 3 of Ukraine's borders, especially Moldova, if you don't have an intention of making them "combat ready".
It's not just Boris. This is a NATO matter, so many NATO countries have sent troops, weapons, ammo and equipment to the front line.
If you have an hour to kill, research where the front lines are then have a look on google earth. It's sobering to see the WW1 style trenches, and the fields between which are blistered from artillery shelling.
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You are 100% right. This is no war game. The scary part of it all is that Russia, china and Iran are in talks about a military alliance as well. Really not good news to be honest.
Take a look at the channel from Vice on YouTube. They do some excellent stuff on war and conflict and have some really good stuff on the trenches you are talking about on the front lines in Ukraine.
You are 100% right. This is no war game. The scary part of it all is that Russia, china and Iran are in talks about a military alliance as well. Really not good news to be honest.
Take a look at the channel from Vice on YouTube. They do some excellent stuff on war and conflict and have some really good stuff on the trenches you are talking about on the front lines in Ukraine.
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The old documentaries Vice done were superb. Simon Ostrovsky and his coverage in the early days of the conflict was superb.
It;s a shame that Vice turned it's attention to bedwetters in America for clickbait. They were one of the first "alt media" documentary makers and lost their way.
The old documentaries Vice done were superb. Simon Ostrovsky and his coverage in the early days of the conflict was superb.
It;s a shame that Vice turned it's attention to bedwetters in America for clickbait. They were one of the first "alt media" documentary makers and lost their way.
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Fair point
But when it comes to 'sanctions' he's definitely got more bargaining power than we have. Let's face it, truss has spent her time begging for not quite as good as we did have trade deals since she was appointed.
It's all a bit of a p*ssing contest at the moment.
I don't see an actual conflict breaking out.
As much as the tory shower might be hoping for it....
Fair point
But when it comes to 'sanctions' he's definitely got more bargaining power than we have. Let's face it, truss has spent her time begging for not quite as good as we did have trade deals since she was appointed.
It's all a bit of a p*ssing contest at the moment.
I don't see an actual conflict breaking out.
As much as the tory shower might be hoping for it....
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The west cannot afford a war with Russia in any capacity, they hold Europe and particularly German to ransom by their natural resource pipelines alone. NATO will reinforce their boarders to the west of Ukraine and that's about it, the Russians will be waving at them soon enough and the western powers will watch it happen.
Let's face it, Doris and sleepy Joe throwing threats around? Putin will take more notice of a five year old school girl.
The west cannot afford a war with Russia in any capacity, they hold Europe and particularly German to ransom by their natural resource pipelines alone. NATO will reinforce their boarders to the west of Ukraine and that's about it, the Russians will be waving at them soon enough and the western powers will watch it happen.
Let's face it, Doris and sleepy Joe throwing threats around? Putin will take more notice of a five year old school girl.
no doubt the French will run away.
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Germany are closing all their nuclear power station I believe. I read somewhere they are fully dependent now on Russian gas and are going down the renewables route.
Madness.
Germany are closing all their nuclear power station I believe. I read somewhere they are fully dependent now on Russian gas and are going down the renewables route.
Madness.
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Greta will be happy.......
Greta will be happy.......
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They're not fully dependant on Russian gas at all. All countries have different foreign policy goals and outlook's. Germany have had a rapprochement policy through trade with Russia since the 70`s. Understanding that those that trade rarely go to war with each other. Rightly or wrongly.
Putin knows that the West started it's pivot towards China year's ago, we're sailing aircraft carrier groups around the China sea even as the new post Brexit "global Britain".
Putin will and is putting the squeeze on to stay at the top table.
But he cannot afford Germany to look elsewhere for energy. So Germany is very relevant rather than a hostage to the outcome as pressure builds.
They're not fully dependant on Russian gas at all. All countries have different foreign policy goals and outlook's. Germany have had a rapprochement policy through trade with Russia since the 70`s. Understanding that those that trade rarely go to war with each other. Rightly or wrongly.
Putin knows that the West started it's pivot towards China year's ago, we're sailing aircraft carrier groups around the China sea even as the new post Brexit "global Britain".
Putin will and is putting the squeeze on to stay at the top table.
But he cannot afford Germany to look elsewhere for energy. So Germany is very relevant rather than a hostage to the outcome as pressure builds.
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Can Germany switch gas suppliers just like that?
I don't mean logging on to Uswitch
I mean do they have pipes and infrastructure in place to immediately switch to another supplier?
Not that I'm worrying about them getting cold
Can Germany switch gas suppliers just like that?
I don't mean logging on to Uswitch
I mean do they have pipes and infrastructure in place to immediately switch to another supplier?Not that I'm worrying about them getting cold
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Again you can look at the supplier losing the business as the drag on a potential conflict. Once that's gone it's decades of huge revenue down the pan.
I'd imagine they can. Lots of European countries have 10/20 times the stored gas reserves that Britain has, probably why our prices are so volatile.
Shipping LNG in vast quantity is common from places like Qatar, USA, Australia, N African countries. We do it most countries do. The end of the day gas is a traded commodity, pay the money you get the product, pay the most you get all you need as Putin knows. Are the strategic and political gains from a conflict with Ukraine worth the risk?
Again you can look at the supplier losing the business as the drag on a potential conflict. Once that's gone it's decades of huge revenue down the pan.
I'd imagine they can. Lots of European countries have 10/20 times the stored gas reserves that Britain has, probably why our prices are so volatile.
Shipping LNG in vast quantity is common from places like Qatar, USA, Australia, N African countries. We do it most countries do. The end of the day gas is a traded commodity, pay the money you get the product, pay the most you get all you need as Putin knows. Are the strategic and political gains from a conflict with Ukraine worth the risk?
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I would imagine if the Russians were to turn off the gas there would be some disruption.
I would imagine if the Russians were to turn off the gas there would be some disruption.
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There'd be bumps in the road for everyone if Russia turned off the gas. Why would they do that?
There'd be bumps in the road for everyone if Russia turned off the gas. Why would they do that?
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Biden threatening to close the new pipeline to Germany from Russia if putin escalates...
Not sure how the Germans might feel about that
Biden threatening to close the new pipeline to Germany from Russia if putin escalates...
Not sure how the Germans might feel about that
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Germany are far more under the cosh than you're giving them credit for. All of Europe is somewhat reliant on Russian fuel but Germany by far, Russia may be reliant on the revenue but in a blinking contest between Europe and Russia, Putins strong enough to stand alone and see it through, if push came to shove.
Germany are far more under the cosh than you're giving them credit for. All of Europe is somewhat reliant on Russian fuel but Germany by far, Russia may be reliant on the revenue but in a blinking contest between Europe and Russia, Putins strong enough to stand alone and see it through, if push came to shove.
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How many UK energy firms have gone bust in the last year mate? The UK is a massive user of gas with a just in time policy for receiving it, tiny amount of storage as I've said previously, lots of European countries have 20 times our storage facilities.
The market will set the price for ALL. Those with the biggest wallets will be at the front of the queue. Putin weaponising gas is a one shot gun. He'll never get the chance to fire it again, he knows that and it's highly unlikely he'll waste it over Ukraine.
Putin more than likely expects and is working towards a pro-Russian insurgency East of the Dnipro. Putin has publicly said he believes Ukrainians are greater Russian citizens.The UK government even named certain Ukrainians identified as potential leaders by Russia. Whilst keeping massive firepower on the borders for a false flag/real event on pro-Russian supporters. Donbass 2.
How many UK energy firms have gone bust in the last year mate? The UK is a massive user of gas with a just in time policy for receiving it, tiny amount of storage as I've said previously, lots of European countries have 20 times our storage facilities.
The market will set the price for ALL. Those with the biggest wallets will be at the front of the queue. Putin weaponising gas is a one shot gun. He'll never get the chance to fire it again, he knows that and it's highly unlikely he'll waste it over Ukraine.
Putin more than likely expects and is working towards a pro-Russian insurgency East of the Dnipro. Putin has publicly said he believes Ukrainians are greater Russian citizens.The UK government even named certain Ukrainians identified as potential leaders by Russia. Whilst keeping massive firepower on the borders for a false flag/real event on pro-Russian supporters. Donbass 2.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60179127
Well that's the whole thing funked then....
Well that's the whole thing funked then....
Worth bumping back up for post #4 alone
So the die is cast.
It all depends now on if and how hard the Ukrainians fight. It's not a popular war in Russia, despite the Russian propaganda and spin. They need it to be quick, very quick. The insurgency if Russia achieves it's military goals could turn Ukraine into Russia's Iraq, but even worse.
The West will no doubt up the anti and support Ukraine. Which will lead to more death and suffering amongst Ukrainians.
It's the beginning of the end moment for Putin hopefully.
So the die is cast.
It all depends now on if and how hard the Ukrainians fight. It's not a popular war in Russia, despite the Russian propaganda and spin. They need it to be quick, very quick. The insurgency if Russia achieves it's military goals could turn Ukraine into Russia's Iraq, but even worse.
The West will no doubt up the anti and support Ukraine. Which will lead to more death and suffering amongst Ukrainians.
It's the beginning of the end moment for Putin hopefully.
In reply to Post #33
Are you still of the opinion they won't turn off the gas supplies?
Are you still of the opinion they won't turn off the gas supplies?
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Again, why would they? He wants to sell more 🤣
He's KGB, in it for the long term.
There's winners and losers in situations like this. Ukraine will do the losing for as long as Putin decides. That's painfully clear already. What's the cash out price Putin has is more interesting 🤔. The EU will certainly do a full member fixed price, fixed amount deal on gas with Russia.
Again, why would they? He wants to sell more 🤣
He's KGB, in it for the long term.
There's winners and losers in situations like this. Ukraine will do the losing for as long as Putin decides. That's painfully clear already. What's the cash out price Putin has is more interesting 🤔. The EU will certainly do a full member fixed price, fixed amount deal on gas with Russia.
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You seem so sure. I'm prepared for the unexpected.
You seem so sure. I'm prepared for the unexpected.
In reply to Post #36
You can be sure that war ends in peace. The winning of this war on the ground was never in doubt. The condition's of the peace are why this action is taking place. He'll do that deal with the USA and EU, not Ukraine.That is Putin's only unknown outcome.
You can be sure that war ends in peace. The winning of this war on the ground was never in doubt. The condition's of the peace are why this action is taking place. He'll do that deal with the USA and EU, not Ukraine.That is Putin's only unknown outcome.
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