It seems that the coronavirus outbreak is gathering momentum and with airlines, cruise ships and other big gatherings of people being run down or in some cases put into quarantine I would be interested to know what precautions anglers and more importantly venue owners are considering for the coming season. Considering that anglers will be coming to France from all over the UK, travelling in packed ferries and mixing with people from all over when using the service area's on motorways there is a very real risk of the infection spreading. In many cases anglers will be eating together at the venue's and in some instances travelling together in coaches we have all got to be taking the threat of coronavirus very seriously. From the perspective of a fishery owner there is a real risk that is someone is diagnosed with the illness when at the venue then the authorities could close the venue down until the outbreak is over. I am aware that this subject is not as interesting as a discussion on fishing however it is something we all could be affected by in the coming months. I would be especially interested to hear from fellow fishery owners regarding precautions that we can take to reduce the risk for both ourselves and our anglers.
In reply to Post #1
Dont think venues are in great danger as it is not that hard to desinfect areas that anglers use... more problems you can expect on ferries etc... many flights are also already cancelled all over europe... anyone traveling in next few months have to take into consideration that they might be on hold somewhere for longer time so will not always come home as expected... and what is most important even if it doesnt look like serious problem it can be for older and sick people, death rate is 15% in people over 80 years so take consideration to that and keep in mind that you can maybe go thrue this like an ordinary flue but somebody close to you that is already sick, old etc can have very big problems when infected...
Dont think venues are in great danger as it is not that hard to desinfect areas that anglers use... more problems you can expect on ferries etc... many flights are also already cancelled all over europe... anyone traveling in next few months have to take into consideration that they might be on hold somewhere for longer time so will not always come home as expected... and what is most important even if it doesnt look like serious problem it can be for older and sick people, death rate is 15% in people over 80 years so take consideration to that and keep in mind that you can maybe go thrue this like an ordinary flue but somebody close to you that is already sick, old etc can have very big problems when infected...
In reply to Post #1
At the end of the day Jim it's your choice to take angler's whilst this virus is on the rise as the lake owner. If you've family/friends that are at risk from a flu virus, you've a difficult decision to make it seems. Good luck.
At the end of the day Jim it's your choice to take angler's whilst this virus is on the rise as the lake owner. If you've family/friends that are at risk from a flu virus, you've a difficult decision to make it seems. Good luck.
In reply to Post #3
Its not whether we take anglers or not but more a realistic appraisal of where we are at the moment. All we can do is try and reduce the risk to out customers which in turn will reduce the risk to our family.
Its not whether we take anglers or not but more a realistic appraisal of where we are at the moment. All we can do is try and reduce the risk to out customers which in turn will reduce the risk to our family.
In reply to Post #4
What are you doing to reduce the risk at your fishery?
You have a duty of care to protect visitors to your venue.... it would be interesting to know what you and other fishery owners are doing.
What are you doing to reduce the risk at your fishery?
You have a duty of care to protect visitors to your venue.... it would be interesting to know what you and other fishery owners are doing.
In reply to Post #4
It seems the only effective methods to limit the chances of spreading the virus are minimum contact and cleanliness. Think that's all you can try to achieve Jim.
It seems the only effective methods to limit the chances of spreading the virus are minimum contact and cleanliness. Think that's all you can try to achieve Jim.
The next question for fisheries abroad is what will you do if there are movement restrictions imposed by the government whether its UK, French etc and paid up customers are unable to get to the venue.
Will bookings be refunded partially or fully, rescheduled ?
It's accepted that this situation is unexpected and neither the customers fault or the venues fault.
Personally I have a booking fully paid up for next month at a well known venue and I've asked them this question. When/if I get a response I'll ensure that the response whether good or bad is known.
Will bookings be refunded partially or fully, rescheduled ?
It's accepted that this situation is unexpected and neither the customers fault or the venues fault.
Personally I have a booking fully paid up for next month at a well known venue and I've asked them this question. When/if I get a response I'll ensure that the response whether good or bad is known.
In reply to Post #7
It is worth all anglers travelling to France to invest in a comprehensive travel insurance covering them for healthcare and cancellations, etc. I recently traveled to Australia and did exactly that at relatively small cost.
It is worth all anglers travelling to France to invest in a comprehensive travel insurance covering them for healthcare and cancellations, etc. I recently traveled to Australia and did exactly that at relatively small cost.
In reply to Post #8
So, your saying take travel insurance and try and claim it back as you'll be keeping any monies paid for fishing at your venue?
Quick google produced this little gem -
That said, Money would not be surprised if insurers – faced with a deluge of claims in the future – started to argue that the virus was a known problem when the policy was bought. Force majeure may be used to avoid paying out.
So, your saying take travel insurance and try and claim it back as you'll be keeping any monies paid for fishing at your venue?
Quick google produced this little gem -
That said, Money would not be surprised if insurers – faced with a deluge of claims in the future – started to argue that the virus was a known problem when the policy was bought. Force majeure may be used to avoid paying out.
In reply to Post #9
No Andy, I am not saying that....what I am doing is trying to be helpful and passing on advice that I have been given.
No Andy, I am not saying that....what I am doing is trying to be helpful and passing on advice that I have been given.
In reply to Post #8
So far Eurotunnel have a webpage saying they will follow government guidelines ...As and when they change.
At least they are acknowledging the virus.
P&O however .......... Nothing , no advice or possible future actions to would be travellers ,and considering the hoardes of school trips they take onboard each day who are using coaches from right across Europe , I feel they are perhaps sticking their heads up their funnels and hoping it will maybe go away.
Forewarned would be forearmed , I am now just over two weeks away from a booked trip , and have no idea if the ferries will be affected , I know I wont get a refund on the lake as with most bookings non refundable if less than 8 weeks to go.
Fingers crossed
So far Eurotunnel have a webpage saying they will follow government guidelines ...As and when they change.
At least they are acknowledging the virus.
P&O however .......... Nothing , no advice or possible future actions to would be travellers ,and considering the hoardes of school trips they take onboard each day who are using coaches from right across Europe , I feel they are perhaps sticking their heads up their funnels and hoping it will maybe go away.
Forewarned would be forearmed , I am now just over two weeks away from a booked trip , and have no idea if the ferries will be affected , I know I wont get a refund on the lake as with most bookings non refundable if less than 8 weeks to go.
Fingers crossed
In reply to Post #7
Well I messaged angling lines and asked what would happen if travel restrictions were put in place so I couldn't make my booking in May and they didn't directly answer the question just asked if I'd taken out travel insurance lol so I don't think they will be refunding anyone. To be fair I think it's fair enough as the lakes could stand to lose a whole seasons worth of revenue through no fault of their own. Gutting as none of my group had taken out any insurance at the time of booking so any insurance now are very unlikely to cover it. But I'd say its our own fault rather than the lake owners or agents.
Well I messaged angling lines and asked what would happen if travel restrictions were put in place so I couldn't make my booking in May and they didn't directly answer the question just asked if I'd taken out travel insurance lol so I don't think they will be refunding anyone. To be fair I think it's fair enough as the lakes could stand to lose a whole seasons worth of revenue through no fault of their own. Gutting as none of my group had taken out any insurance at the time of booking so any insurance now are very unlikely to cover it. But I'd say its our own fault rather than the lake owners or agents.
In reply to Post #12
From my knowledge in other eu countries travel insurance doesnt cover corona virus...
From my knowledge in other eu countries travel insurance doesnt cover corona virus...
In reply to Post #13
Looks like everyone's losing out then in a worse case scenario except maybe the lake owners lol but as I say I don't blame them as its their livelihood.
Looks like everyone's losing out then in a worse case scenario except maybe the lake owners lol but as I say I don't blame them as its their livelihood.
In reply to Post #9
That's a selective piece of the article.
It also says that they have spoken to the Association of British Insurers who say their members will pay out if the cover is taken out before the British Government issues non travel advice for the particular country in question.
That's a selective piece of the article.
It also says that they have spoken to the Association of British Insurers who say their members will pay out if the cover is taken out before the British Government issues non travel advice for the particular country in question.
Italy has announced a total travel ban in and out of the Lombardy/Northern Italy region. 16million people in lockdown.
In reply to Post #14
No mate, it's clear.
Customers losing their money
If you get insurance you might of might not be able to get a penny back but it's up to you to make the claim and pursue it.
No mate, it's clear.
Customers losing their money
If you get insurance you might of might not be able to get a penny back but it's up to you to make the claim and pursue it.
In reply to Post #17
What a load of tosh. If there is a ban on travel fisheries will lose all of their income. Also consider that deposits paid last year will have been put through accounts and cotisations of 23% already paid on them. And what about the cost of work carried out throughout the winter to ensure the lakes and facilities are as best of possible for clients. In the last week I have paid out 380 for tree surgeon, 760 of hardcore and 650 of gravel. And the over winter feeding program costs a notable amount to ensure the carp are at their best for the anglers. I am not commenting on the subject of refunds or no refunds but just posting regarding your stupid comment that fishery owners lose nothing !! Bills still need paying mate.
What a load of tosh. If there is a ban on travel fisheries will lose all of their income. Also consider that deposits paid last year will have been put through accounts and cotisations of 23% already paid on them. And what about the cost of work carried out throughout the winter to ensure the lakes and facilities are as best of possible for clients. In the last week I have paid out 380 for tree surgeon, 760 of hardcore and 650 of gravel. And the over winter feeding program costs a notable amount to ensure the carp are at their best for the anglers. I am not commenting on the subject of refunds or no refunds but just posting regarding your stupid comment that fishery owners lose nothing !! Bills still need paying mate.
In reply to Post #17
Just my opinion, some may well offer customers money back but I wouldn't blame any that don't, as I imagine anglers are their only source of income, also I'm guessing lots of fisheries will have to feed the fish in their lakes to make up for no bait going in. Also rescheduling is obviously very difficult as most places will already have bookings for next year.
Just my opinion, some may well offer customers money back but I wouldn't blame any that don't, as I imagine anglers are their only source of income, also I'm guessing lots of fisheries will have to feed the fish in their lakes to make up for no bait going in. Also rescheduling is obviously very difficult as most places will already have bookings for next year.
In reply to Post #19
Quite right. If things really get bad then we are all likely to be losers.
Quite right. If things really get bad then we are all likely to be losers.
In reply to Post #11
Me too, BYC. On tenterhooks whether to go or not, bearing in mind we are both well over 70, I am diabetic and the missus is still suffering the after effects of a serious illness she had in 2017.
Me too, BYC. On tenterhooks whether to go or not, bearing in mind we are both well over 70, I am diabetic and the missus is still suffering the after effects of a serious illness she had in 2017.
In reply to Post #21
This will be a good test for venues and will show how they manage things and how willing they are to help anglers... if booked anglers will be somewhere in quarantine and cant make it will be up to owners to offer (or not) those weeks to others and help booked anglers out etc etc....
This will be a good test for venues and will show how they manage things and how willing they are to help anglers... if booked anglers will be somewhere in quarantine and cant make it will be up to owners to offer (or not) those weeks to others and help booked anglers out etc etc....
In reply to Post #18
Its hardly like a business struggling with low profit margins now is it.....
The money raked in week after week is significant. You have to be really daft as an angler not to see this. Yep, some venues invest in their fisheries to a degree but this is a low cost business with high profit margins so no need to play the 'hard up' card....
As an angler visiting venues I accept this situation but for an owner to even suggest their not doing exceptionally well is quite simply shocking and a reflection of their attitude towards paying customers.
Yep, as others have said we'll quickly see who's willing to assist in these exceptional circumstances and who just want to see the pounds rolling in and have little regard for customers.
Its hardly like a business struggling with low profit margins now is it.....
The money raked in week after week is significant. You have to be really daft as an angler not to see this. Yep, some venues invest in their fisheries to a degree but this is a low cost business with high profit margins so no need to play the 'hard up' card....
As an angler visiting venues I accept this situation but for an owner to even suggest their not doing exceptionally well is quite simply shocking and a reflection of their attitude towards paying customers.
Yep, as others have said we'll quickly see who's willing to assist in these exceptional circumstances and who just want to see the pounds rolling in and have little regard for customers.
In reply to Post #22
I've had confirmation from that you need to look at your insurance if there are travel restrictions stopping you from attending.
WARNING
I have looked at a couple of insurers and you need to be very careful, some specifically exclude epidemic/ pandemic situations'. Axa insurance looked okay but I need to call them to check I'm covered.
If your going to France on a fishing holiday and either don't have insurance yet or have insufficient cover (check the small print for exceptions) then I suggest you spend the money on it now.
I've had confirmation from that you need to look at your insurance if there are travel restrictions stopping you from attending.
WARNING
I have looked at a couple of insurers and you need to be very careful, some specifically exclude epidemic/ pandemic situations'. Axa insurance looked okay but I need to call them to check I'm covered.
If your going to France on a fishing holiday and either don't have insurance yet or have insufficient cover (check the small print for exceptions) then I suggest you spend the money on it now.
In reply to Post #23
You need to either take a risk and lease a lake for a given period or buy it.. the fish could all go belly up the next day, it's a high risk and labour intensive business.
Not that I'm in the habit of defending fisheries, animal cruelty (stocked purely for repeated captures with no safe place to hide) for profit isn't my cup of tea.
But if it was that easy and lucrative everybody would be doing it.
You need to either take a risk and lease a lake for a given period or buy it.. the fish could all go belly up the next day, it's a high risk and labour intensive business.
Not that I'm in the habit of defending fisheries, animal cruelty (stocked purely for repeated captures with no safe place to hide) for profit isn't my cup of tea.
But if it was that easy and lucrative everybody would be doing it.
In reply to Post #23
Your comments really illustrate your total lack of knowledge of the costs involved in running a legal fishery in France fellah.
Your comments really illustrate your total lack of knowledge of the costs involved in running a legal fishery in France fellah.
In reply to Post #26
Ok. So you are saying that it's not a high profit margin business?
And don't even start on the 'legal' fishery conversion as you'll open up a can of worms.... legally registered is the easy conversion but the movement of fish.....
Ok. So you are saying that it's not a high profit margin business?
And don't even start on the 'legal' fishery conversion as you'll open up a can of worms.... legally registered is the easy conversion but the movement of fish.....
In reply to Post #27
It seems you have a rather jaundiced view when it comes to French fisheries. I think you need to look at any business to appreciate that profit margins have nothing to do with the final operating profit of a business. Having said that I offer no apologies that, like many others, I invested everything into realizing my dream and actually make a profit from doing so. Great........You make an aside regarding legal fisheries and then a rather open ended referral to movement of fish....why ? If you actually knew anything about successful fisheries in France these days you will know that the illegal stocking of fish stolen from other waters is something the vast majority of venue's abhor and take pride in not doing. You really seem to have an axe to grind so best if we drop this swapping of posts and learn from the comments of others on the forum.
It seems you have a rather jaundiced view when it comes to French fisheries. I think you need to look at any business to appreciate that profit margins have nothing to do with the final operating profit of a business. Having said that I offer no apologies that, like many others, I invested everything into realizing my dream and actually make a profit from doing so. Great........You make an aside regarding legal fisheries and then a rather open ended referral to movement of fish....why ? If you actually knew anything about successful fisheries in France these days you will know that the illegal stocking of fish stolen from other waters is something the vast majority of venue's abhor and take pride in not doing. You really seem to have an axe to grind so best if we drop this swapping of posts and learn from the comments of others on the forum.
In reply to Post #27
Jim is one of the decent guys mate. Wind your neck in.
Jim is one of the decent guys mate. Wind your neck in.
I see no reason why a fishery should refund anglers who do not attend. If they hadn't taken a booking for that week/for that peg from a British angler who couldn't attend then it could have potentially been filled by a local - it isn't their fault if you don't attend to fish your reserved swim.
You would lose out if you chose not to take out comprehensive travel insurance but that is your problem, not the fishery owners.
You would lose out if you chose not to take out comprehensive travel insurance but that is your problem, not the fishery owners.
In reply to Post #17
Andy. I don't think you have any idea of the costs involved in running a legal fishery in france. I have had my place just over a year and believe me it's not a massive money maker! Sure during the open season we get a good income if full but that has to last the year! Tax on the service sector is 22.4% alone. Over the winter the costs and work are massive... Netting, maintenance, feeding the fish, tree work, siltex, digger hire, lake dye, swim repairs, stocking, public indemnity insurance etc etc.
I for one am very concerned as to whether I will even be in business in a year. If the worse case scenario plays out we will be mullered. The only money in the bank will be deposits and that will not pay the bills.
Andy. I don't think you have any idea of the costs involved in running a legal fishery in france. I have had my place just over a year and believe me it's not a massive money maker! Sure during the open season we get a good income if full but that has to last the year! Tax on the service sector is 22.4% alone. Over the winter the costs and work are massive... Netting, maintenance, feeding the fish, tree work, siltex, digger hire, lake dye, swim repairs, stocking, public indemnity insurance etc etc.
I for one am very concerned as to whether I will even be in business in a year. If the worse case scenario plays out we will be mullered. The only money in the bank will be deposits and that will not pay the bills.
I'm not having the ' feel sorry for the poor fishery owners' feeling atm and doubt I will ever as I see the annual inflated price increases slipping in followed by inflated costs for bait, particle, food etc only to arrive at a fishery to find the inflated stocking levels confirmed and the 'A' team is now a B team as target fish x and y died the previous year but they didn't let anyone know and struggling to get a bite in the first 4 days.
To now paint fishery owners in a light of poor hard done by businesses struggling to keep their heads above water is quite simply absurd.
We will see what fisheries come out of the next 6 months with positive customer feedback.
I guess the 'less than great' fisheries might give the impression that their all the same.....
To now paint fishery owners in a light of poor hard done by businesses struggling to keep their heads above water is quite simply absurd.
We will see what fisheries come out of the next 6 months with positive customer feedback.
I guess the 'less than great' fisheries might give the impression that their all the same.....
In reply to Post #32
A Jaundiced view based on poor experiences should not mean that you tar the whole industry in the same way.
A Jaundiced view based on poor experiences should not mean that you tar the whole industry in the same way.
In reply to Post #32
I charge less for bait than at home as I want the best quality going in. for the fish....we make very little on food....if my customers are not catching I give them free bait to try and rigs etc as I want them to have a great time. During the close whilst the fish are still feeding I put approx 70kg of food in a week so the fish will achieve best weights. A stock with over 25 fish above 40lbs to over 60 needs a lot of food. Another massive cost was electricity running the air systems.
Last year we ran at a loss. This year will be the same.
I charge less for bait than at home as I want the best quality going in. for the fish....we make very little on food....if my customers are not catching I give them free bait to try and rigs etc as I want them to have a great time. During the close whilst the fish are still feeding I put approx 70kg of food in a week so the fish will achieve best weights. A stock with over 25 fish above 40lbs to over 60 needs a lot of food. Another massive cost was electricity running the air systems.
Last year we ran at a loss. This year will be the same.
In reply to Post #33
I've had good experiences and some not so good experiences and approach every trip with the enthusiasm of my first foreign fishing trip so I'm certainly not judging all fisheries the same so to insinuate such negativity is a poor attempt of character assassination.
Fisheries are judged by customers honest feedback only.
I've had good experiences and some not so good experiences and approach every trip with the enthusiasm of my first foreign fishing trip so I'm certainly not judging all fisheries the same so to insinuate such negativity is a poor attempt of character assassination.
Fisheries are judged by customers honest feedback only.
In reply to Post #35
No one is trying to 'character assassinate' Andy...just take a look at what you are writing in your posts. It is a less than flattering view of French carp fisheries. I would point out that like most business's, carp fisheries are judged on their success. The great thing is that with success comes a full diary made up of regulars which is what makes the job more than just a way of earning an income. To get to that stage takes years of hard work, injections of cash and stress and the fail rate is very high indeed.
No one is trying to 'character assassinate' Andy...just take a look at what you are writing in your posts. It is a less than flattering view of French carp fisheries. I would point out that like most business's, carp fisheries are judged on their success. The great thing is that with success comes a full diary made up of regulars which is what makes the job more than just a way of earning an income. To get to that stage takes years of hard work, injections of cash and stress and the fail rate is very high indeed.
In reply to Post #36
I have customers coming back for their 3rd and 4th visits since taking ownership and very good reviews. I'm happy to say I've made a few friends along the way and have been amazed at how helpful some of my guests have bee
I was up against the old ballif telling lies to his regulars that the stock had gone, which it definitely has not as I've had it netted.
You are entitled to your opinion but from what I've seen of other fishery owners near me most work very hard to ensure their customers have the best possible experience in france.
I have customers coming back for their 3rd and 4th visits since taking ownership and very good reviews. I'm happy to say I've made a few friends along the way and have been amazed at how helpful some of my guests have bee
I was up against the old ballif telling lies to his regulars that the stock had gone, which it definitely has not as I've had it netted.
You are entitled to your opinion but from what I've seen of other fishery owners near me most work very hard to ensure their customers have the best possible experience in france.
In reply to Post #35
This has gone so far off topic with a lot of axe grinding.
Start a new thread slanging off lake owners and let this get back to factual info on the effects of covid 19 and travel
This has gone so far off topic with a lot of axe grinding.
Start a new thread slanging off lake owners and let this get back to factual info on the effects of covid 19 and travel
In reply to Post #38
Now that makes sense...lol
Now that makes sense...lol
In reply to Post #38
Couldn't agree more. This thread has gone so far off topic and is a classic example of why people are using the Forum less and less
Couldn't agree more. This thread has gone so far off topic and is a classic example of why people are using the Forum less and less
In reply to Post #7
Back on topic.....take out travel insurance.
Back on topic.....take out travel insurance.
In reply to Post #41
Well, I've just checked mine and it doesn't cover pandemics.
Well, I've just checked mine and it doesn't cover pandemics.
In reply to Post #42
Not classified as a pandemic....yet !!
Not classified as a pandemic....yet !!
In reply to Post #43
No but at the point there are FCO non travel instructions it will be classed as such and that's when the customers will be cancelling and looking to make a claim.
No but at the point there are FCO non travel instructions it will be classed as such and that's when the customers will be cancelling and looking to make a claim.
In reply to Post #44
FCO has advised against all but essential travel to Northern Italy. Looks like my Parco trip mid April is a gonna then unless they lift the restrictions after the 1st week of April.
FCO has advised against all but essential travel to Northern Italy. Looks like my Parco trip mid April is a gonna then unless they lift the restrictions after the 1st week of April.
In reply to Post #45
I would really reconsider that trip if I were you...
I would really reconsider that trip if I were you...
Corona virus aside who do people get their travel insurance with? Normal companies or angling specific?
In reply to Post #45
3rd april is the end of the Italian restrictions so unless its extended you might be ok.
If you obtained good insurance before the restrictions you might be covered if your affected, you need to look at the small print.
3rd april is the end of the Italian restrictions so unless its extended you might be ok.
If you obtained good insurance before the restrictions you might be covered if your affected, you need to look at the small print.
In reply to Post #47
I looked at a few. Axa seems like a better more comprehensive one but would they pay out if your affected ? Only time will tell.
I looked at a few. Axa seems like a better more comprehensive one but would they pay out if your affected ? Only time will tell.
In reply to Post #49
I'm thinking more of cover just for normal mishaps like injury whilst fishing and things specifically fishing related, would AXA cover you for that if you don't specify your going on a fishing holiday?. Confused as I've seen companies selling insurance just for sports holidays and they kind of imply that normal travel insurance may not cover you properly.
I'm thinking more of cover just for normal mishaps like injury whilst fishing and things specifically fishing related, would AXA cover you for that if you don't specify your going on a fishing holiday?. Confused as I've seen companies selling insurance just for sports holidays and they kind of imply that normal travel insurance may not cover you properly.
In reply to Post #50
The axa policy does cover fishing as a listed sport.
The axa policy does cover fishing as a listed sport.
In reply to Post #51
Oh OK sweet I'll take a look, cheers mate.
Oh OK sweet I'll take a look, cheers mate.
I'm going in may
Just taken out my insurance with (staysure) £32 I'm 44 and no health issues.
I phoned them up and explained what I wanted and I'm covered
You need to get travel disruption cover that covers you for any illnesses including Corona also covers you
Just in case the French shut there borders.
I would advise speaking to someone and not doing an online jobbie
Just taken out my insurance with (staysure) £32 I'm 44 and no health issues.
I phoned them up and explained what I wanted and I'm covered
You need to get travel disruption cover that covers you for any illnesses including Corona also covers you
Just in case the French shut there borders.
I would advise speaking to someone and not doing an online jobbie
In reply to Post #53
Yes, I have used Staysure for several years and they seem spot on for cover. Actually, I need it when I return to the UK as they no longer cover me for healthcare although I still pay taxes there...lol
Yes, I have used Staysure for several years and they seem spot on for cover. Actually, I need it when I return to the UK as they no longer cover me for healthcare although I still pay taxes there...lol
Breaking news.
Italy has extended the lockdown to the whole country from tomorrow......
The only travel permitted is for work and family emergencies....
A shockingly over the top reaction that will probably cripple their society?
Outrageous?
Italy has extended the lockdown to the whole country from tomorrow......
The only travel permitted is for work and family emergencies....
A shockingly over the top reaction that will probably cripple their society?
Outrageous?
In reply to Post #53
Staysure terms and conditions say you need
1. The extension to the policy for travel disruption.
2. The FCO need to formally advice against travel to your location.
3. You need to have taken out the policy before the outbreak.
Staysure terms and conditions say you need
1. The extension to the policy for travel disruption.
2. The FCO need to formally advice against travel to your location.
3. You need to have taken out the policy before the outbreak.
In reply to Post #55
They should do that weeks ago... Number of infected is such that health system cant cope anymore.... That is the worst case scenario... At the moment doctors have to decide who will get a chance on respirators and have a chance to fight and who doesnt... People dont get needed care for other normaly not deadly diseases because there are no more capacities in hospitals etc... This is what you get when people are talking how this is just another flue and it is nothing to worry about and they still travel and spread the virus around... Yes it is not that bad when you have low number of cases but once you get numbers that break the health system you are ****ed... And that is what they have... It looks like non of the european countries is taking this serious..
They should do that weeks ago... Number of infected is such that health system cant cope anymore.... That is the worst case scenario... At the moment doctors have to decide who will get a chance on respirators and have a chance to fight and who doesnt... People dont get needed care for other normaly not deadly diseases because there are no more capacities in hospitals etc... This is what you get when people are talking how this is just another flue and it is nothing to worry about and they still travel and spread the virus around... Yes it is not that bad when you have low number of cases but once you get numbers that break the health system you are ****ed... And that is what they have... It looks like non of the european countries is taking this serious..
In reply to Post #56
Was it Basic or Comprehensive cover you went for with Staysure?
Was it Basic or Comprehensive cover you went for with Staysure?
In reply to Post #58
5 star Comprehensive cover
As I said I spoke to staysure direct and was told I'm covered in the event france shuts its borders
Here's hoping they won't
5 star Comprehensive cover
As I said I spoke to staysure direct and was told I'm covered in the event france shuts its borders
Here's hoping they won't
In reply to Post #59
Just looked at Staysure myself.. in the T&C for travel disruption it states:
You'll be covered to cancel your holiday because of the coronavirus if:
- The FCO lists your destination as unsafe to travel to (against all or all but essential travel)
- You have the optional Travel Disruption Extension
- The outbreak in your destination wasn't publicly known when you bought your travel insurance.-
So reading that at high level.. if you buy insurance now, I'm thinking you won't be covered for France? since it's already publicly known that Coronavirus is there?
Just looked at Staysure myself.. in the T&C for travel disruption it states:
You'll be covered to cancel your holiday because of the coronavirus if:
- The FCO lists your destination as unsafe to travel to (against all or all but essential travel)
- You have the optional Travel Disruption Extension
- The outbreak in your destination wasn't publicly known when you bought your travel insurance.-
So reading that at high level.. if you buy insurance now, I'm thinking you won't be covered for France? since it's already publicly known that Coronavirus is there?
In reply to Post #60
I'm thinking that's area depending????
And not the whole of france ????
I'm off to abbey lakes so hopefully ok ???
I may be wrong normally am
I'm thinking that's area depending????
And not the whole of france ????
I'm off to abbey lakes so hopefully ok ???
I may be wrong normally am
In reply to Post #61
No idea mate, I have a few trips planned so looking for cover myself. You can imagine if France does shut down then the insurance will look for any little clause to not pay out
No idea mate, I have a few trips planned so looking for cover myself. You can imagine if France does shut down then the insurance will look for any little clause to not pay out
In reply to Post #60
As per information given further on the website. Its all dependent on FCO travel advice. Only if the FCO advises against travel to that area or Country.
Am I covered to cancel my trip if my destination has confirmed cases of coronavirus?
Having confirmed cases of the coronavirus doesn't always mean that a place is unsafe to travel to.
The Foreign Commonwealth Office (FCO) or the World Health Organisation (WHO) make this decision. They can advise against all, or all but essential travel if a place becomes unsafe to travel to because of a health outbreak.
You'd only be covered to cancel your trip if the FCO, WHO or local authorities hadn't issued any advice before you bought your policy with the optional Travel Disruption Extension and the FCO have now advised against all or all but essential travel to your destination.
As per information given further on the website. Its all dependent on FCO travel advice. Only if the FCO advises against travel to that area or Country.
Am I covered to cancel my trip if my destination has confirmed cases of coronavirus?
Having confirmed cases of the coronavirus doesn't always mean that a place is unsafe to travel to.
The Foreign Commonwealth Office (FCO) or the World Health Organisation (WHO) make this decision. They can advise against all, or all but essential travel if a place becomes unsafe to travel to because of a health outbreak.
You'd only be covered to cancel your trip if the FCO, WHO or local authorities hadn't issued any advice before you bought your policy with the optional Travel Disruption Extension and the FCO have now advised against all or all but essential travel to your destination.
In reply to Post #63
I'll give them a shout and get it clarified.
Will try get a carpforum discount code too for the amount of business they'll probably get!
I'll give them a shout and get it clarified.
Will try get a carpforum discount code too for the amount of business they'll probably get!
I have AXA coversure which covers the fishing side of it and travel disruption £40.00 a year for a type 2 diabetic.
In reply to Post #64
Can you update everyone when you've spoken to them mate? as I'm off to Croatia in May so need to get something sorted.
Can you update everyone when you've spoken to them mate? as I'm off to Croatia in May so need to get something sorted.
In reply to Post #66
Croatia is putting all foreigners coming from mass infected areas in 14 days quarantine... Uk is not on the list yet but just to remind you that it can happen...
Croatia is putting all foreigners coming from mass infected areas in 14 days quarantine... Uk is not on the list yet but just to remind you that it can happen...
In reply to Post #67
Cheers will watch out for that.
Cheers will watch out for that.
In reply to Post #68
I have a dilemma I have a trip booked for last week in May full lake booking we have paid £800 deposit and the balance of £1600 is due in the next couple of weeks . Do I
A pay it and risk losing £2400
B stick it on a horse in Cheltenham and hope it wins 😜
C try and work out a deal with the owner and say we will pay on arrival
Imo I think if trips had to be cancelled the least the owners could do is offer you a discounted trip at a later day
I have a dilemma I have a trip booked for last week in May full lake booking we have paid £800 deposit and the balance of £1600 is due in the next couple of weeks . Do I
A pay it and risk losing £2400
B stick it on a horse in Cheltenham and hope it wins 😜
C try and work out a deal with the owner and say we will pay on arrival
Imo I think if trips had to be cancelled the least the owners could do is offer you a discounted trip at a later day
In reply to Post #69
C
Depending on the response, A sorts itself.
C
Depending on the response, A sorts itself.
In reply to Post #69
Maybe try to get different date?
Maybe try to get different date?
In reply to Post #69
I've asked the venue I'm booked to go to next month about the situation and they said you'll need to claim on your insurance. Several lake owners were on this thread early on and they showed no desire to help out any anglers.
So assuming you get similar feedback it's just down to trying to get enough insurance cover and fingers crossed you won't need to try and make a claim.
I've spoken to Axa insurance and if I can't get to the lake in France due to movement restrictions and the FCO say do not travel there I'm covered.
This makes me very happy. I'll be gutted not to get to the venue but I'll get me money back and spend the week at me local Syndicate trying to hook that elusive common..
I've asked the venue I'm booked to go to next month about the situation and they said you'll need to claim on your insurance. Several lake owners were on this thread early on and they showed no desire to help out any anglers.
So assuming you get similar feedback it's just down to trying to get enough insurance cover and fingers crossed you won't need to try and make a claim.
I've spoken to Axa insurance and if I can't get to the lake in France due to movement restrictions and the FCO say do not travel there I'm covered.
This makes me very happy. I'll be gutted not to get to the venue but I'll get me money back and spend the week at me local Syndicate trying to hook that elusive common..
In reply to Post #69
Storming, I'd go with option C as at least you haven't handed over your cash which in the event you can't go would be difficult to get back directly through the lake owner
A bit crap for the lake owner too in that context but I would assume most business would have adequate insurance to cover such eventualities themselves
Storming, I'd go with option C as at least you haven't handed over your cash which in the event you can't go would be difficult to get back directly through the lake owner
A bit crap for the lake owner too in that context but I would assume most business would have adequate insurance to cover such eventualities themselves
In reply to Post #73
Will see how the next two weeks goes but I can't see the situation improving much I suppose we both have options he could let us pay the balance on arrival or tell us to do one then he has the lake place to refill but would anyone send £2400 the way things look at the moment ?
Will see how the next two weeks goes but I can't see the situation improving much I suppose we both have options he could let us pay the balance on arrival or tell us to do one then he has the lake place to refill but would anyone send £2400 the way things look at the moment ?
In reply to Post #66
Just an FYI for everyone here - I had a thorough conversation with Staysure and as long as you purchase the Disruption Extension and have the policy start before the WHO announce any travel advisories you will be covered.
Just an FYI for everyone here - I had a thorough conversation with Staysure and as long as you purchase the Disruption Extension and have the policy start before the WHO announce any travel advisories you will be covered.
In reply to Post #63
Well I've just been on hold for the last 15 mins 30th in the que
I'm covered if the French government or The Foreign Commonwealth Office (FCO) or the World Health Organisation make the decision to close the border or not travel into France.
But Im not covered if the complex shuts and I doubt very much if I'll get my money back from the venue
All paid up van hire crossing and complex
Fingers crossed it'll be ok
Well I've just been on hold for the last 15 mins 30th in the que
I'm covered if the French government or The Foreign Commonwealth Office (FCO) or the World Health Organisation make the decision to close the border or not travel into France.
But Im not covered if the complex shuts and I doubt very much if I'll get my money back from the venue
All paid up van hire crossing and complex
Fingers crossed it'll be ok
In reply to Post #75
You must of been before me lol
You must of been before me lol
In reply to Post #77
Haha, at least we've got it confirmed twice now!
Haha, at least we've got it confirmed twice now!
Off to France tomorrow evening on a 6-hour ferry crossing.
Booked a hotel part way to break up the journey.
Got to do a supermarket shop before we go to the venue.
Loads of social mixing and subsequent raised opportunity for infection. Was undecided whether to go or not. "What's the worst that can happened?" I asked Mrs T.
"We could both catch it and die," she replied.
She's a bundle of laughs!
I can see what is going to happen...We'll get off the ferry, drive to the lake and then be told that the FCO, WHO, et al have closed the borders...Still, I can think of worse places to be stuck.
Maybe this is apt: LINK.
Booked a hotel part way to break up the journey.
Got to do a supermarket shop before we go to the venue.
Loads of social mixing and subsequent raised opportunity for infection. Was undecided whether to go or not. "What's the worst that can happened?" I asked Mrs T.
"We could both catch it and die," she replied.
She's a bundle of laughs!
I can see what is going to happen...We'll get off the ferry, drive to the lake and then be told that the FCO, WHO, et al have closed the borders...Still, I can think of worse places to be stuck.
Maybe this is apt: LINK.
In reply to Post #79
Good luck with the fishing Ken I'm sure you'll be fine, my accountant has just walked in the office this morning to do the monthly accounts he's in his 70's and just come back from a 12 day cruise, the ship broke down 3 days from the end of the trip they had to limp into a port and get several connecting flights back to blighty, first thing he starts doing is coughing and sneezing.
Good luck with the fishing Ken I'm sure you'll be fine, my accountant has just walked in the office this morning to do the monthly accounts he's in his 70's and just come back from a 12 day cruise, the ship broke down 3 days from the end of the trip they had to limp into a port and get several connecting flights back to blighty, first thing he starts doing is coughing and sneezing.
In reply to Post #79
Well, providing you survive the Coronavirus problems you could be in for a great weeks fishing Ken. Weather is spot on for a spring lump or two. Tight lines.
Well, providing you survive the Coronavirus problems you could be in for a great weeks fishing Ken. Weather is spot on for a spring lump or two. Tight lines.
In reply to Post #80
Sneezing isn't a normal symptom of the virus apparently so may just be a common cold
Sneezing isn't a normal symptom of the virus apparently so may just be a common cold
In reply to Post #79
Just hope it's ok for may tight lines Ken
Just hope it's ok for may tight lines Ken
In reply to Post #82
Sneezing isn't but coughing is
Sneezing isn't but coughing is
I see the insurance company's are clamping down on what's covered now .
If you have left it late then your screwed 🤔
If you have left it late then your screwed 🤔
In reply to Post #84
Have a great trip Ken,hope you smash it mate,conditions are looking excellent,everyone is paranoid about this virus,unless your prepared to stop living and stay in your house self isolating ,just carry on as normal,take some sanitizing products,hand cleanser and use them once your at the lake you couldn't be at a safer place,worrying will spoil your trip ,enjoy yourself,tight lines mate
Have a great trip Ken,hope you smash it mate,conditions are looking excellent,everyone is paranoid about this virus,unless your prepared to stop living and stay in your house self isolating ,just carry on as normal,take some sanitizing products,hand cleanser and use them once your at the lake you couldn't be at a safer place,worrying will spoil your trip ,enjoy yourself,tight lines mate
In reply to Post #86
Just taken out annual comprehensive cover with the extention from staysure. £58 total for the year, still not 100% sure whats covered if trip is cancelled but feel a bit more relaxed now. To be honest im more worried about missing out on my trip than loosing the money!! Going 3 weeks Friday so keeping everything crossed.
Just taken out annual comprehensive cover with the extention from staysure. £58 total for the year, still not 100% sure whats covered if trip is cancelled but feel a bit more relaxed now. To be honest im more worried about missing out on my trip than loosing the money!! Going 3 weeks Friday so keeping everything crossed.
Will insurance companies cover carp fishing holidays? it's not like the an ABTA holiday.
In reply to Post #88
It is privately arranged personal or family cover. ABTA is a different beast.
It is privately arranged personal or family cover. ABTA is a different beast.
In reply to Post #89
The reason I mentioned ABTA is because it's easy to prove you booking. When you're paying a fishery owner in France then it could be open to abuse making it a bit more difficult to claim?
The reason I mentioned ABTA is because it's easy to prove you booking. When you're paying a fishery owner in France then it could be open to abuse making it a bit more difficult to claim?
In reply to Post #90
Very true mate. I dont have a receipt for the half i have paid just the bank transfer. Could be a tricky one?
Very true mate. I dont have a receipt for the half i have paid just the bank transfer. Could be a tricky one?
In reply to Post #91
Who ever has arranged it should have a receipt from the fishery.
They might have to claim and give you your half ??
Who ever has arranged it should have a receipt from the fishery.
They might have to claim and give you your half ??
In reply to Post #92
Not trying to scaremonger just making a point. If countries go into lockdown then it's going to hit the insurance companies hard. Hand written receipts or emails may be scrutinised.
Not trying to scaremonger just making a point. If countries go into lockdown then it's going to hit the insurance companies hard. Hand written receipts or emails may be scrutinised.
In reply to Post #92
To clarify i paid the fishery owner directly, only me and brother going and its a pay half at booking and other half on arrival. No actual receipt ever given just e mail confirmation and obviously bank transfer. Its only €260 so not the end of the world.
To clarify i paid the fishery owner directly, only me and brother going and its a pay half at booking and other half on arrival. No actual receipt ever given just e mail confirmation and obviously bank transfer. Its only €260 so not the end of the world.
In reply to Post #94
When it comes so far that doctors suggest this than you know it is time to step back and set priorities! ----- another development top doctors suggested that rather than admit patients on a 'first come first served' basis, hospitals should swap to 'catastrophe medicine' guidelines - typically used in war zones and during natural disasters - where those with the greatest chance of survival are given priority. If a limit on beds is implemented it could mean elderly patients with no signs of coronavirus being turfed off ICU wards to make space for younger patients who have longer left to live. The guidelines should apply to all patients needing intensive care treatment and not just those suffering from coronavrius, according to guidance published this week by the Society of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SAARI).
When it comes so far that doctors suggest this than you know it is time to step back and set priorities! ----- another development top doctors suggested that rather than admit patients on a 'first come first served' basis, hospitals should swap to 'catastrophe medicine' guidelines - typically used in war zones and during natural disasters - where those with the greatest chance of survival are given priority. If a limit on beds is implemented it could mean elderly patients with no signs of coronavirus being turfed off ICU wards to make space for younger patients who have longer left to live. The guidelines should apply to all patients needing intensive care treatment and not just those suffering from coronavrius, according to guidance published this week by the Society of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SAARI).
In reply to Post #95
Harsh.
The virus isn't affecting younger people badly unless they have serious pre existing issues so this scenario isn't going to happen and I'd guess a healthy 60 year old professional has a better case for survival than a 30 year old obese layabout that does nothing.
This is Just an example of a journalist over sensationalising issues for a few columns of fame in a SAARI publication.
Harsh.
The virus isn't affecting younger people badly unless they have serious pre existing issues so this scenario isn't going to happen and I'd guess a healthy 60 year old professional has a better case for survival than a 30 year old obese layabout that does nothing.
This is Just an example of a journalist over sensationalising issues for a few columns of fame in a SAARI publication.
In reply to Post #96
The virus isn't affecting younger people badly unless they have serious pre existing issues so this scenario isn't going to happen and I'd guess a healthy 60 year old professional has a better case for survival than a 30 year old obese layabout that does nothing.
This is Just an example of a journalist over sensationalising issues for a few columns of fame in a SAARI publication.
Sorry mate, but this is ********.
Triage af this nature is happening NOW, within 5km of where I'm sitting.
If it can happen here, in the rich part of Italy, then it COULD happen in the UK.
Hospitals are on the verge of collapse, older people are losing out in favour of younger patients for intensive care beds. They make no investigation into whether or not you're a 'professional' or a 'layabout' before you're admitted to hospital. You don't get to argue your case, because you're too sick to do so and you've got no-one with you, because they are an infection risk and there isn't space anyway.
Old folk are being taken away by ambulance crews wearing full hazmat suits and no-one can go with them. If they don't make it, they are buried without funeral service in the presence of a maximum of 2 family members, who must stay 1m apart at all times.
So don't panic, don't fight over bog roll, don't nick hand sanitiser from your local hospital, but don't dismiss this as 'sensationalising' ... it isn't.
The virus isn't affecting younger people badly unless they have serious pre existing issues so this scenario isn't going to happen and I'd guess a healthy 60 year old professional has a better case for survival than a 30 year old obese layabout that does nothing.
This is Just an example of a journalist over sensationalising issues for a few columns of fame in a SAARI publication.
Sorry mate, but this is ********.
Triage af this nature is happening NOW, within 5km of where I'm sitting.
If it can happen here, in the rich part of Italy, then it COULD happen in the UK.
Hospitals are on the verge of collapse, older people are losing out in favour of younger patients for intensive care beds. They make no investigation into whether or not you're a 'professional' or a 'layabout' before you're admitted to hospital. You don't get to argue your case, because you're too sick to do so and you've got no-one with you, because they are an infection risk and there isn't space anyway.
Old folk are being taken away by ambulance crews wearing full hazmat suits and no-one can go with them. If they don't make it, they are buried without funeral service in the presence of a maximum of 2 family members, who must stay 1m apart at all times.
So don't panic, don't fight over bog roll, don't nick hand sanitiser from your local hospital, but don't dismiss this as 'sensationalising' ... it isn't.
In reply to Post #96
Correct.
Correct.
In reply to Post #97
Ok, you know what your talking about.
This is obviously a highly documented subject, the policy is outrageous. Please provide links to prove that this is happening.
Thanks
Ps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51858987
The current situation where I live.
There are 9 cases in Kent, out of a local population of 1,568,623
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
In some parts of the UK the confirmed known cases are being tracked.
Ok, you know what your talking about.
This is obviously a highly documented subject, the policy is outrageous. Please provide links to prove that this is happening.
Thanks
Ps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51858987
The current situation where I live.
There are 9 cases in Kent, out of a local population of 1,568,623
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
In some parts of the UK the confirmed known cases are being tracked.
In reply to Post #99
Almost all eu closed down schools, restaurants, bars, cinema etc from today... Dont worry you will get there in a day or two... Will talk again in 2 weeks about this...
Almost all eu closed down schools, restaurants, bars, cinema etc from today... Dont worry you will get there in a day or two... Will talk again in 2 weeks about this...
In reply to Post #100
I just flew back from Bangkok. Immigration there test you for high temperature and signs of illness. Fly into Paris CDG... .zero. No scanning, no questions asked.
I just flew back from Bangkok. Immigration there test you for high temperature and signs of illness. Fly into Paris CDG... .zero. No scanning, no questions asked.
In reply to Post #100
No one is saying that this isn't going to get progressively worse for the next 2 months.....
But I'd like to see some evidence that Italy are selectively letting older corona virus victims die while treating younger patients as is alleged. This is no doubt headline news worthy and being documented in press heavily.
No one is saying that this isn't going to get progressively worse for the next 2 months.....
But I'd like to see some evidence that Italy are selectively letting older corona virus victims die while treating younger patients as is alleged. This is no doubt headline news worthy and being documented in press heavily.
In reply to Post #102
Waiting for evidence or waiting for a bbc article
Waiting for evidence or waiting for a bbc article
In reply to Post #97
Those kind of decisions are being made by our NHS too and have been for quite some time, long before this uber-flu-with-a-name-so it's- scarier came along!
General comment... If you think your job sucks...
Those kind of decisions are being made by our NHS too and have been for quite some time, long before this uber-flu-with-a-name-so it's- scarier came along!
General comment... If you think your job sucks...
In reply to Post #104
Just wandering if anyone has had any contact from lakes like Cretelakes for example as the first lot of anglers should be going out next week i believe? Anyone booked on with them or similar are they running as normal at the moment or cancelling trips?
Just wandering if anyone has had any contact from lakes like Cretelakes for example as the first lot of anglers should be going out next week i believe? Anyone booked on with them or similar are they running as normal at the moment or cancelling trips?
In reply to Post #105
My Croatian trip gone now....
On 12 March the Croatian government announced that it will introduce with immediate effect a compulsory 14 day period of self-isolation for all foreign nationals arriving from the following destinations: the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Austria, Netherlands, China, the Republic of Korea, Japan, and Singapore. Foreign nationals who do not have a residence in Croatia will be asked for proof of an accommodation booking.
My Croatian trip gone now....
On 12 March the Croatian government announced that it will introduce with immediate effect a compulsory 14 day period of self-isolation for all foreign nationals arriving from the following destinations: the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Austria, Netherlands, China, the Republic of Korea, Japan, and Singapore. Foreign nationals who do not have a residence in Croatia will be asked for proof of an accommodation booking.
In reply to Post #106
Have to pay the remainder today for our trip to Jurassica2 in May. Very unsure whether to cancel or pay the remainder in case of any sort of travel bans are put in place or quarantining? Doesn't usually take much for the french ports to drop tools.
Have to pay the remainder today for our trip to Jurassica2 in May. Very unsure whether to cancel or pay the remainder in case of any sort of travel bans are put in place or quarantining? Doesn't usually take much for the french ports to drop tools.
In reply to Post #102
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
Good enough?
That was 2 days ago, they've got an extra few thousand cases to deal with now.
The policy isn't 'outrageous', it's a tragic reality and a pragmatic solution of the problem of having many more patients than ventilators.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
Good enough?
That was 2 days ago, they've got an extra few thousand cases to deal with now.
The policy isn't 'outrageous', it's a tragic reality and a pragmatic solution of the problem of having many more patients than ventilators.
In reply to Post #79
UPDATE: Advised by the wife's doctor to cancel the visit as she falls into the "at serious rick" category should she pick up the virus. Heeded that advice...
UPDATE: Advised by the wife's doctor to cancel the visit as she falls into the "at serious rick" category should she pick up the virus. Heeded that advice...
In reply to Post #109
There will be other trips Ken! Maybe just a sugestion... I know there is an issue because of comercial reasons, paying fee for advertising... But anyway maybe forum should allow a thread for a month or two where anglers could put down what weeks and where they had to cancel so others could possibly jump in and with that maybe helping anglers and owners to loose less money...
There will be other trips Ken! Maybe just a sugestion... I know there is an issue because of comercial reasons, paying fee for advertising... But anyway maybe forum should allow a thread for a month or two where anglers could put down what weeks and where they had to cancel so others could possibly jump in and with that maybe helping anglers and owners to loose less money...
In reply to Post #109
That's a shame Ken but all you can do is carry out the advice given.
And that goes for the rest of us, unless you a conspiracy theorist all we can do is act on the advice we are given.
Keep well and look after your missus.
That's a shame Ken but all you can do is carry out the advice given.
And that goes for the rest of us, unless you a conspiracy theorist all we can do is act on the advice we are given.
Keep well and look after your missus.
Saw this earlier on FB , Bluewater ..... I wonder how many other fishery owners will be as generous ???
Fishery owners should take note of this
Fishery owners should take note of this
In reply to Post #111
Wow that's really good news fella I just wish my lake said the same ....
All I got told was if you cant make it then you'll have to claim from your insurance company
Wow that's really good news fella I just wish my lake said the same ....
All I got told was if you cant make it then you'll have to claim from your insurance company
In reply to Post #113
Is that Abbey Michael ? I'm due there in May
Is that Abbey Michael ? I'm due there in May
In reply to Post #112
Fair play bluewater. I am more hopeful now that maybe we can still travel after all? They seem pretty confident the border will remain open. 🤞
Fair play bluewater. I am more hopeful now that maybe we can still travel after all? They seem pretty confident the border will remain open. 🤞
In reply to Post #114
Yes mate abbey
What lake you fishing ?? And when in may ??
Yes mate abbey
What lake you fishing ?? And when in may ??
Great to see Bluewater setting the standard. All other foreign fisheries need to follow their example.
I note that where I live (Kent) there are currently 11 cases in a population of 1.654 million people. Worse times to come though no doubt.
I note that where I live (Kent) there are currently 11 cases in a population of 1.654 million people. Worse times to come though no doubt.
If you have booked to fish in Spain in the near future ....today it was announced Spain is in lockdown so no fishing or anything else ...to put it into perspective ...I cannot fish my local lake on my own ....475 acres and no Human beings within 2 miles of me !!! ... welcome to the 21st century black plague...this is only the beginning
In reply to Post #116
May 7th on kingfisher
May 7th on kingfisher
In reply to Post #119
I'm hopefully on attila from the 2nd
Hope we both get there tight lines fella
I'm hopefully on attila from the 2nd
Hope we both get there tight lines fella
In reply to Post #118
Positive post
Positive post
In reply to Post #121
We at Fishing Ferry would also like to announce that in the event the government restrict travel from Dover to Calais we will issue a credit for future travel or a full refund.
We hope that travel doesn't get restricted and people can still go on their carp fishing holiday to France but if it did we are here to help in anyway we can.
Thanks
Fishing Ferry
We at Fishing Ferry would also like to announce that in the event the government restrict travel from Dover to Calais we will issue a credit for future travel or a full refund.
We hope that travel doesn't get restricted and people can still go on their carp fishing holiday to France but if it did we are here to help in anyway we can.
Thanks
Fishing Ferry
In reply to Post #121
its just telling the truth ...no one knows how this will turn out ...i am only now allowed out to get food and medication and have just spent 3hrs queuing to get my meds ....i managed to get a weeks worth ( we are in 15days lockdown ) and the only chemist i can use will probably shut on monday as it will have run out o f most meds !!!!! ....the super market has been stripped bare already so we are in uncharted territory now ....and i am guessing that France and England will follow suit within a few days ..so going on holiday fishing will be last thing on peoples minds
its just telling the truth ...no one knows how this will turn out ...i am only now allowed out to get food and medication and have just spent 3hrs queuing to get my meds ....i managed to get a weeks worth ( we are in 15days lockdown ) and the only chemist i can use will probably shut on monday as it will have run out o f most meds !!!!! ....the super market has been stripped bare already so we are in uncharted territory now ....and i am guessing that France and England will follow suit within a few days ..so going on holiday fishing will be last thing on peoples minds
In reply to Post #122
Chunnel has sent us an email saying our tickets will be valid for a year in case we need to move dates,
Very much doubt I'll get anything back from the venue though
Chunnel has sent us an email saying our tickets will be valid for a year in case we need to move dates,
Very much doubt I'll get anything back from the venue though
In reply to Post #124
Bill's Lake has also posted...
We have taken a decision here at Bill's Lake to put our angler's minds at rest about their forthcoming holidays.
If the borders are closed due to Coronavirus and you are unable to travel out on your due date of departure, we will either;
- Move your holiday to a date later in the year where possible;
- Move your holiday to next year; or
- Make a full refund
All payments due must continue as normal up until the date of your holiday. Of course we hope it will not come to this and that you will be able to come and enjoy your holiday with us as planned. Looking forward to seeing you all soon, stay safe and wash your hands!
Bill's Lake has also posted...
We have taken a decision here at Bill's Lake to put our angler's minds at rest about their forthcoming holidays.
If the borders are closed due to Coronavirus and you are unable to travel out on your due date of departure, we will either;
- Move your holiday to a date later in the year where possible;
- Move your holiday to next year; or
- Make a full refund
All payments due must continue as normal up until the date of your holiday. Of course we hope it will not come to this and that you will be able to come and enjoy your holiday with us as planned. Looking forward to seeing you all soon, stay safe and wash your hands!
In reply to Post #125
Nice to see a post from you......... and a response from Eurotunnel.
P&O have still got their heads up their funnels ........ no updates either personally or on their website.
Nice to see a post from you......... and a response from Eurotunnel.
P&O have still got their heads up their funnels ........ no updates either personally or on their website.
In reply to Post #126
P&O have issued emails and have an announcement on their homepage regarding this.
http://www.poferries.com/en/letter-from-our-ceo
P&O have issued emails and have an announcement on their homepage regarding this.
http://www.poferries.com/en/letter-from-our-ceo
In reply to Post #125
Nice to see Bill's lake is also setting and example hats off to you lads
I hope abbey will follow suit but i have my doubts
Nice to see Bill's lake is also setting and example hats off to you lads
I hope abbey will follow suit but i have my doubts
In reply to Post #128
No chance with Abbey
No chance with Abbey
In reply to Post #129
I think your right buddy
I think your right buddy
In reply to Post #130
With the french government announcing that all none essential businesses open to the public must close how does this impact private lakes such as the ones we are all booked on?
I'm hoping as they are exclusively booked privately and not open to the general public that they are not included?
Can any lake owners clarify please?
With the french government announcing that all none essential businesses open to the public must close how does this impact private lakes such as the ones we are all booked on?
I'm hoping as they are exclusively booked privately and not open to the general public that they are not included?
Can any lake owners clarify please?
In reply to Post #131
For those traveling to Belgium if I saw correctly (somebody form belgium correct me if I misunderstood) all fishing competitions and gatherings are cancelled... you are allowed to fish but only alone, not 2 persons together in bivy etc... it is valid for open and private waters... just for info...
For those traveling to Belgium if I saw correctly (somebody form belgium correct me if I misunderstood) all fishing competitions and gatherings are cancelled... you are allowed to fish but only alone, not 2 persons together in bivy etc... it is valid for open and private waters... just for info...
If you look at most fisheries websites/Facebook it's like Corona virus isn't happening. No mention of it.
Bit of a shocker imo.
If they are told to close their doors to visitors then how can they not refund people?
Bit of a shocker imo.
If they are told to close their doors to visitors then how can they not refund people?
In reply to Post #133
Surely it is like any other holiday that gets cancelled because of the Government's actions - you claim off your insurance. Is every airline, hotel etc refunding your money?
Surely it is like any other holiday that gets cancelled because of the Government's actions - you claim off your insurance. Is every airline, hotel etc refunding your money?
In reply to Post #133
In reply to Post #133
There are some mixed views from Facebook pages of the French fisheries , some giving refund , some moving dates to next year , but lots saying claim off insurance 🤔
There are some mixed views from Facebook pages of the French fisheries , some giving refund , some moving dates to next year , but lots saying claim off insurance 🤔
In reply to Post #136
in some countries if epedemic is declared refunds must be made by law... now if that is posible or companies will declare bankruptcy or find another way out is another matter... that is why many countries requaire travel agancies to have an insurance for such cases but than again insurance companies can declare bankroptcy etc...
in some countries if epedemic is declared refunds must be made by law... now if that is posible or companies will declare bankruptcy or find another way out is another matter... that is why many countries requaire travel agancies to have an insurance for such cases but than again insurance companies can declare bankroptcy etc...
In reply to Post #137
We have just spoken to Bill at Bill's Lake and he has just has a meeting with the local mayor about the classification of essential businesses to be closed. The mayor has said that all commerce business/shops are closed but businesses like Bill's Lake are still ok to be open for business.
So basically all French lakes are still open as usual... hope this helps.
We have just spoken to Bill at Bill's Lake and he has just has a meeting with the local mayor about the classification of essential businesses to be closed. The mayor has said that all commerce business/shops are closed but businesses like Bill's Lake are still ok to be open for business.
So basically all French lakes are still open as usual... hope this helps.
In reply to Post #138
Thank you for the update
Just hope the French keep there borders open
Thank you for the update
Just hope the French keep there borders open
In reply to Post #133
What makes you think lakes have funds to give back to people? It is the same as any other holiday, you claim off your travel insurance. The only problem that would occur is if you've gone to a lake that isn't correctly registered.
What makes you think lakes have funds to give back to people? It is the same as any other holiday, you claim off your travel insurance. The only problem that would occur is if you've gone to a lake that isn't correctly registered.
In reply to Post #140
Or given you an invoice to give to your insurers!
Or given you an invoice to give to your insurers!
Fisheries rely on paying customers. If you treat your customers like cash cows and do nothing other than fob them off then their reputation will take a hit. It'll not take too many unhappy keyboard warriors to see to that.
Other fisheries are doing refunds, moving booking dates etc
Other fisheries are doing refunds, moving booking dates etc
In reply to Post #142
I personally would be more than happy to take later booking even if it is after a year or two... If lake owner is trying to resolve this in civilised way.. Telling anglers of to take it up to insurance is far from that in my opinion... It is more than clear now that at least april&may booking will have problems...
I personally would be more than happy to take later booking even if it is after a year or two... If lake owner is trying to resolve this in civilised way.. Telling anglers of to take it up to insurance is far from that in my opinion... It is more than clear now that at least april&may booking will have problems...
In reply to Post #142
Most fisheries and booking agencies will have in their Terms & Conditions a clause that covers them in the eventuality of this type of event so they don't have to refund you. Then it is up to you to claim on your insurance. All insurances are different but generally they should pay out IF you took the policy out before the Coronavirus issue started.
Some venues are offering holiday date changes and refunds even if they are covered by their Terms & Conditions and they are doing this to help their customers IF they can afford to do so.
Let's hope that France or the ports don't go into full lockdown and we can carry on as normal.
Most fisheries and booking agencies will have in their Terms & Conditions a clause that covers them in the eventuality of this type of event so they don't have to refund you. Then it is up to you to claim on your insurance. All insurances are different but generally they should pay out IF you took the policy out before the Coronavirus issue started.
Some venues are offering holiday date changes and refunds even if they are covered by their Terms & Conditions and they are doing this to help their customers IF they can afford to do so.
Let's hope that France or the ports don't go into full lockdown and we can carry on as normal.
In reply to Post #142
As it should be to be honest. That is what insurance is for!! You think the fishery should pay everyone back? Bye bye fisheries in that case
As it should be to be honest. That is what insurance is for!! You think the fishery should pay everyone back? Bye bye fisheries in that case
In reply to Post #145
Abbey lakes have just posted on there Facebook message below
In light of the current situation with the covid-19 virus we would like to inform our anglers that at the moment we are open as usual as is the local supermarkets tobacco shops and bakery's and public transport,the only Changes for the moment is that we are not aloud to serve food packages to be eaten in the lodge they must be taken away, obviously we are monitoring the situation hourly and if this changes we will let you know as soon as possible, please feel free to drop us an email to answer any more questions but please be patient as we reply personally to everybody which takes time . The actual situation has legally been put in place till the 15th April fingers crossed it will be sorted after that, thank you for your patience
Abbey
Abbey lakes have just posted on there Facebook message below
In light of the current situation with the covid-19 virus we would like to inform our anglers that at the moment we are open as usual as is the local supermarkets tobacco shops and bakery's and public transport,the only Changes for the moment is that we are not aloud to serve food packages to be eaten in the lodge they must be taken away, obviously we are monitoring the situation hourly and if this changes we will let you know as soon as possible, please feel free to drop us an email to answer any more questions but please be patient as we reply personally to everybody which takes time . The actual situation has legally been put in place till the 15th April fingers crossed it will be sorted after that, thank you for your patience
Abbey
Been offered a full refund or new date for the poland trip. Fair play to em i bet lots wont as they've already spent your money
In reply to Post #147
Good news Deano
Got a trip to morocco. I'm April followed my France I'm May .
Not joking my breath , sure Abbey won't be so accommodating
Good news Deano
Got a trip to morocco. I'm April followed my France I'm May .
Not joking my breath , sure Abbey won't be so accommodating
In reply to Post #148
BEO ?
BEO ?
In reply to Post #149
I wish , Atlas Mountains ⛰
I wish , Atlas Mountains ⛰
In reply to Post #150
Cretelakes have updated there website to say trips are going ahead as planned. ATM......
Cretelakes have updated there website to say trips are going ahead as planned. ATM......
In reply to Post #151
So it appears that some lakes are offering refunds and others telling their clients to claim from their holiday insurance. Most lakes expect the balance payment around 8 weeks prior to the holiday so what will anglers do in the coming weeks if their chosen lake is one that does not offer refunds ? They face the dilemma of paying several hundred additional pounds knowing that there is not much chance of getting anything back should the borders become closed.
I personally have already paid a balance payment for a week at the end of April with a lake that is so far stating that you should ensure that you have comprehensive insurance.
The problem that I see for lake owners that take the stance of not being prepared to provide refunds is that their clients will not make the balance payments for fear of losing even more money....
So it appears that some lakes are offering refunds and others telling their clients to claim from their holiday insurance. Most lakes expect the balance payment around 8 weeks prior to the holiday so what will anglers do in the coming weeks if their chosen lake is one that does not offer refunds ? They face the dilemma of paying several hundred additional pounds knowing that there is not much chance of getting anything back should the borders become closed.
I personally have already paid a balance payment for a week at the end of April with a lake that is so far stating that you should ensure that you have comprehensive insurance.
The problem that I see for lake owners that take the stance of not being prepared to provide refunds is that their clients will not make the balance payments for fear of losing even more money....
In reply to Post #152
I agree , it's gonna affect the fishery owners both ways , if they offer a full refund fair play , but those that don't offer a refund are going to end up with just deposits but that could mean 50% you lose and 50% they lose , we'll see how many ‘reputable' fisheries do decide to refund , at least that way the angler will be happy
I agree , it's gonna affect the fishery owners both ways , if they offer a full refund fair play , but those that don't offer a refund are going to end up with just deposits but that could mean 50% you lose and 50% they lose , we'll see how many ‘reputable' fisheries do decide to refund , at least that way the angler will be happy
The only obvious choice on pending fishing trips abroad has to be an understanding between the customer and owner, if the balance hasn't been paid then an agreement should be, pay on arrival if it's possible to go.
I wouldn't be happy if an owner said, sorry we are open so it's your problem, claim on your insurance, if you can't get here. By rights if the country concerned is in lockdown, then you have to stay indoors, not sitting beside a lake fishing and a registered recreational business shouldn't be trading!
I wouldn't be happy if an owner said, sorry we are open so it's your problem, claim on your insurance, if you can't get here. By rights if the country concerned is in lockdown, then you have to stay indoors, not sitting beside a lake fishing and a registered recreational business shouldn't be trading!
In reply to Post #153
I would still love to go on my trip if there is a possibility however my instincts tell me there is not much chance given that France is only a few days behind what is happening in Spain.
I will post on here the outcome including the lake owners stance when it comes to reimbursement or not.
I would still love to go on my trip if there is a possibility however my instincts tell me there is not much chance given that France is only a few days behind what is happening in Spain.
I will post on here the outcome including the lake owners stance when it comes to reimbursement or not.
In reply to Post #144
Thanks for the P&O link..........
Shame it is only available through the new bookings page............
I was looking at their main pages, where there is still no mention.
Thanks for the P&O link..........
Shame it is only available through the new bookings page............
I was looking at their main pages, where there is still no mention.
In reply to Post #153
We're supposed to be going out on the 6th June for a week.
Small fishery, we've visited it a few times now and have become firm friends with the owner. Have paid in full.
I've "casually" broached the subject with her regarding a possible curtailment due to ferry/tunnel closures and she has responded thus...... "Obviously you will get your week at some point hopefully the week you've booked. x" so I'm assuming that she'll roll the week over for us.
We're supposed to be going out on the 6th June for a week.
Small fishery, we've visited it a few times now and have become firm friends with the owner. Have paid in full.
I've "casually" broached the subject with her regarding a possible curtailment due to ferry/tunnel closures and she has responded thus...... "Obviously you will get your week at some point hopefully the week you've booked. x" so I'm assuming that she'll roll the week over for us.
We were due to start our first week of a 2-week stay on Saturday 14th March. Rang the owner to cancel and he told me, No problem. Come back when you can. 
Nobody seems to know how long this crisis is likely to last. Most pundits are suggesting spring 2021, or until an effective vaccine is available. Who knows? Certainly not that prize vvanker pillock Piers Morgan.
Nobody seems to know how long this crisis is likely to last. Most pundits are suggesting spring 2021, or until an effective vaccine is available. Who knows? Certainly not that prize vvanker pillock Piers Morgan.
In reply to Post #158
Most pundits are suggesting spring 2021,
I haven't seen that anywhere Ken, if that were to happen it would be the end of the world as we know it.
Most pundits are suggesting spring 2021,
I haven't seen that anywhere Ken, if that were to happen it would be the end of the world as we know it.
In reply to Post #158
Might as well disregard vaccines/medicine. As far as I know there hasn't been a drug since WW2 that has been developed, tested, trialled and 'sold' within 12 months.
Might as well disregard vaccines/medicine. As far as I know there hasn't been a drug since WW2 that has been developed, tested, trialled and 'sold' within 12 months.
In reply to Post #160
It doesn't necessarily need a "new" antiviral drug to combat this virus.
I watched a talking head US Prof yesterday on possible drugs to tackle this virus. Remdesivir- A drug developed for Ebola originally is very promising he said.
It doesn't necessarily need a "new" antiviral drug to combat this virus.
I watched a talking head US Prof yesterday on possible drugs to tackle this virus. Remdesivir- A drug developed for Ebola originally is very promising he said.
In reply to Post #161
There's already been papers written that are highly sceptical of Remdesivir. Likely the Prof. you mention is on Gilead's payroll, makes sense for him to be positive about it.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Just got to try and stay as healthy as possible; hydrated, balanced diet, good sleep, be as clean as you can be & see what happens.
There's already been papers written that are highly sceptical of Remdesivir. Likely the Prof. you mention is on Gilead's payroll, makes sense for him to be positive about it.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Just got to try and stay as healthy as possible; hydrated, balanced diet, good sleep, be as clean as you can be & see what happens.
In reply to Post #162
He implied the results of the trials being run in China, S Korea and the US would be known in days. So hopefully we'll see soon.
Meanwhile do as you say
He implied the results of the trials being run in China, S Korea and the US would be known in days. So hopefully we'll see soon.
Meanwhile do as you say
In reply to Post #163
The day a truly effective anti viral drug as effective as antibiotics were/are against bacterial diseases we will hear about it in no uncertain terms. Be very wary of anybody including large drug companies mentioning branded/TM drugs.
The day a truly effective anti viral drug as effective as antibiotics were/are against bacterial diseases we will hear about it in no uncertain terms. Be very wary of anybody including large drug companies mentioning branded/TM drugs.
Here is the official statement from Abbey Lakes.
As being one of the oldest player in the fishing world for the last 20 years, we feel it's important to officialise our statement regarding the actual holiday issues linked to the COVID-19 and invite all other french fisheries to follow the initiative in order to treat all anglers equally wherever they've booked their holidays in France !
We all know the actual situation and we all know it's changing fast but for this reason we would like to confirm that we will try to support financially as much as we can our booked anglers.
This statement will only concern (for the moment) next 30 days, which means all booking from now till 18th of April. If french borders get closed or if french adminstration asks us to close the complex or if we are not able anymore to provide the right qualitative service we've done till now towards our anglers , we will close the complex and propose those concerned anglers to refund their balance amount as we won't be able to postpone their angling session later this year as we are already fully booked.
Regarding the serious cashflow issue we will encounter by applying this statement we will be able to refund your balance amount at 50% at your request and the other 50% begin september which will give us the time to claim back all our VAT reimbursement. I hope this makes sense for everyone and that you can also understand our side of the situation.
Regarding coming balance payments due normally 10 weeks before arrival we invite you to pay them as usual bearing in mind now that if the situation evoluates in the future we will continue to apply same rules described above. If you still don't feel confident with this official statement we will allow our anglers booked between 18th of April and 06th of June to pay their balance amount in euros at arrival.
Fishing at Abbey is not only being after big fish but it's also being part of a real and strong community. So lets us all stick together and let us all beat this f** situation all together !
Don't worry...be ABBEY...✌️
SEB
As being one of the oldest player in the fishing world for the last 20 years, we feel it's important to officialise our statement regarding the actual holiday issues linked to the COVID-19 and invite all other french fisheries to follow the initiative in order to treat all anglers equally wherever they've booked their holidays in France !
We all know the actual situation and we all know it's changing fast but for this reason we would like to confirm that we will try to support financially as much as we can our booked anglers.
This statement will only concern (for the moment) next 30 days, which means all booking from now till 18th of April. If french borders get closed or if french adminstration asks us to close the complex or if we are not able anymore to provide the right qualitative service we've done till now towards our anglers , we will close the complex and propose those concerned anglers to refund their balance amount as we won't be able to postpone their angling session later this year as we are already fully booked.
Regarding the serious cashflow issue we will encounter by applying this statement we will be able to refund your balance amount at 50% at your request and the other 50% begin september which will give us the time to claim back all our VAT reimbursement. I hope this makes sense for everyone and that you can also understand our side of the situation.
Regarding coming balance payments due normally 10 weeks before arrival we invite you to pay them as usual bearing in mind now that if the situation evoluates in the future we will continue to apply same rules described above. If you still don't feel confident with this official statement we will allow our anglers booked between 18th of April and 06th of June to pay their balance amount in euros at arrival.
Fishing at Abbey is not only being after big fish but it's also being part of a real and strong community. So lets us all stick together and let us all beat this f** situation all together !
Don't worry...be ABBEY...✌️
SEB
In reply to Post #165
France announce total lockdown starting tomorrow. Thats, that then.😔
France announce total lockdown starting tomorrow. Thats, that then.😔
In reply to Post #166
Still travel between France and UK at the moment https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/latest/covid-19/
Still travel between France and UK at the moment https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/latest/covid-19/
In reply to Post #167
Saw that mate. Cant see how we will be allowed to go and fish for a week when everyone else in is lockdown though??
Saw that mate. Cant see how we will be allowed to go and fish for a week when everyone else in is lockdown though??
In reply to Post #168
Just read this
Brussels had announced earlier on Monday it had proposed closing the EU's borders to stop the spread of coronavirus but said a decision would not be made until the next day.
The UK's Foreign Office said the UK is not included in the closure and told Britons in mainland Europe to continually monitor travel advice as it is changing rapidly.
Doesn't effect us yet but I bet it will soon
Just read this
Brussels had announced earlier on Monday it had proposed closing the EU's borders to stop the spread of coronavirus but said a decision would not be made until the next day.
The UK's Foreign Office said the UK is not included in the closure and told Britons in mainland Europe to continually monitor travel advice as it is changing rapidly.
Doesn't effect us yet but I bet it will soon
In reply to Post #166
Wrong. Travel still allowed between EU countries.
Wrong. Travel still allowed between EU countries.
In reply to Post #170
As it currently stands all travel between all Schengen EU Countries (border less with France like Germany, Belgium etc) is banned including Switzerland which is part of this border less Schengen agreement but not in the EU.
However, the UK isn't part of this agreement and doesn't fall within this restriction as we have a border so all UK to France crossings via the ferries and tunnel are still open and as normal. There are some on-board restrictions to passenger numbers and some operators have a limited timetable.
If your French lake is still open for business (they are currently not legally forced to close) and the roads are currently open and unrestricted within France and most fuel stations are now only operating a pay at the pump service but as far as we see the situation it's business as usual.
We recommend that you take as many provisions as you can so you don't have the visit supermarkets etc but if you do need to, the venue should be able to print you off a document entitling you to travel to stock up on provisions without any travel issues from the French police.
Hope this helps as there are many differing reports on what is closed. Things may change daily so keep an eye on the social channel for all the crossing operators.
As it currently stands all travel between all Schengen EU Countries (border less with France like Germany, Belgium etc) is banned including Switzerland which is part of this border less Schengen agreement but not in the EU.
However, the UK isn't part of this agreement and doesn't fall within this restriction as we have a border so all UK to France crossings via the ferries and tunnel are still open and as normal. There are some on-board restrictions to passenger numbers and some operators have a limited timetable.
If your French lake is still open for business (they are currently not legally forced to close) and the roads are currently open and unrestricted within France and most fuel stations are now only operating a pay at the pump service but as far as we see the situation it's business as usual.
We recommend that you take as many provisions as you can so you don't have the visit supermarkets etc but if you do need to, the venue should be able to print you off a document entitling you to travel to stock up on provisions without any travel issues from the French police.
Hope this helps as there are many differing reports on what is closed. Things may change daily so keep an eye on the social channel for all the crossing operators.
In reply to Post #170
Latest...........
On 16 March, the French Government announced that the EU would suspend travel between the EU and non-European countries for an initial period of 30 days from midday 17 March. The French Government confirmed that these restrictions will not apply to UK nationals. We will update our advice with details of any EU measures when confirmed.
Pants ............. That is NOT helpful for anybody to make the sensible descision not to go , or try to make an insurance claim.
Moving on from that , it also opens the question about who actually made the payments , in the case of our group of four , I made all payments to the lake , and have now had it confirmed by my bank that it only covers the account holders portion of any monies paid...........
Perhaps in future we should all look at some sort of 'group' policy.
On a positive , having been negative about P&O's lack of info , they have now said they will offer an alternative travel date to be taken this year without any further costs.
Latest...........
On 16 March, the French Government announced that the EU would suspend travel between the EU and non-European countries for an initial period of 30 days from midday 17 March. The French Government confirmed that these restrictions will not apply to UK nationals. We will update our advice with details of any EU measures when confirmed.
Pants ............. That is NOT helpful for anybody to make the sensible descision not to go , or try to make an insurance claim.
Moving on from that , it also opens the question about who actually made the payments , in the case of our group of four , I made all payments to the lake , and have now had it confirmed by my bank that it only covers the account holders portion of any monies paid...........
Perhaps in future we should all look at some sort of 'group' policy.
On a positive , having been negative about P&O's lack of info , they have now said they will offer an alternative travel date to be taken this year without any further costs.
In reply to Post #172
It is very much a mixed message from the French Authorities. As a UK passport holder you can enter the country but once there travel is restricted to essential journeys only ie food shopping and seeking medical help. They say this will be enforced by fines. So I guess you have every chance of being stopped and fined. Toll roads could be a very easy target as they are unlikely to be the road of choice for allowable travel.
It is very much a mixed message from the French Authorities. As a UK passport holder you can enter the country but once there travel is restricted to essential journeys only ie food shopping and seeking medical help. They say this will be enforced by fines. So I guess you have every chance of being stopped and fined. Toll roads could be a very easy target as they are unlikely to be the road of choice for allowable travel.
In reply to Post #170
Essential travel with very good reason yes... Not for fishing... And even that not everywhere... Ffs people france is on shut down only allowing buying food&medice etc to save peoples lives and you are still thinking about traveling... Hospitals are full.. They are setting up amry hospitals etc... Who wants to travel to a country like that and potentialy end up in worst case scenario if aacident or something happens not to mention you can get infected just by paying toll and bring it back to your family even if you stay isolated on lake...
Essential travel with very good reason yes... Not for fishing... And even that not everywhere... Ffs people france is on shut down only allowing buying food&medice etc to save peoples lives and you are still thinking about traveling... Hospitals are full.. They are setting up amry hospitals etc... Who wants to travel to a country like that and potentialy end up in worst case scenario if aacident or something happens not to mention you can get infected just by paying toll and bring it back to your family even if you stay isolated on lake...
In reply to Post #174
Well said
Well said
In reply to Post #174
Spot on. The new French rules have no ambiguity.
Spot on. The new French rules have no ambiguity.
In reply to Post #176
But are the French rules the best way of dealing with this?
But are the French rules the best way of dealing with this?
If this was Ebola there would be no questions asked..... but for the majority of us the worst corona will be is a mild illness. Vulnerable groups identified being the exception.
These are the ones needing protection and the ones being hospitalized.
Everything our government set out yesterday is to slow down hospital admissions for corona cases, if people ignore this advice then the NHS will be overwhelmed. In France people ignored advice and their health service is being overwhelmed.
Hence the travel restrictions now in France.
Current advice -
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france
There is an ongoing outbreak of coronavirus (COVID-19) in France. The French Government outlined new measures on 16 March to stem the spread of coronavirus, including restricting the movement of people from midday 17 March for 15 days to journeys that are absolutely necessary, such as food shopping, seeking medical care, journeys to work where working from home is not possible, or exercising. The French Government has said it will enforce these measures and fine those who are not compliant. The French Government will provide further guidance on how these measures will be enforced. Travellers should follow instructions of the French authorities.
On 16 March, the French Government announced that the EU would suspend travel between the EU and non-European countries for an initial period of 30 days from midday 17 March. The French Government confirmed that these restrictions will not apply to UK nationals. We will update our advice with details of any EU measures when confirmed.
So, you'll not be going to a french venue any time soon...
These are the ones needing protection and the ones being hospitalized.
Everything our government set out yesterday is to slow down hospital admissions for corona cases, if people ignore this advice then the NHS will be overwhelmed. In France people ignored advice and their health service is being overwhelmed.
Hence the travel restrictions now in France.
Current advice -
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france
There is an ongoing outbreak of coronavirus (COVID-19) in France. The French Government outlined new measures on 16 March to stem the spread of coronavirus, including restricting the movement of people from midday 17 March for 15 days to journeys that are absolutely necessary, such as food shopping, seeking medical care, journeys to work where working from home is not possible, or exercising. The French Government has said it will enforce these measures and fine those who are not compliant. The French Government will provide further guidance on how these measures will be enforced. Travellers should follow instructions of the French authorities.
On 16 March, the French Government announced that the EU would suspend travel between the EU and non-European countries for an initial period of 30 days from midday 17 March. The French Government confirmed that these restrictions will not apply to UK nationals. We will update our advice with details of any EU measures when confirmed.
So, you'll not be going to a french venue any time soon...
Breaking news -
Coronavirus: Britons urged to avoid non-essential travel abroad
British nationals should avoid all non-essential foreign travel to tackle the spread of coronavirus, the Foreign Office has advised.
The travel restrictions will be in place for 30 days initially but could be extended, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab told the House of Commons.
The advice reflects the pace at which other countries are bringing in border controls in response to the pandemic.
Coronavirus: Britons urged to avoid non-essential travel abroad
British nationals should avoid all non-essential foreign travel to tackle the spread of coronavirus, the Foreign Office has advised.
The travel restrictions will be in place for 30 days initially but could be extended, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab told the House of Commons.
The advice reflects the pace at which other countries are bringing in border controls in response to the pandemic.
Now get those insurance claims in...It's official. No travel abroad for the next 30 days.
In reply to Post #177
Time will tell, but at the moment, their country, their rules.
Time will tell, but at the moment, their country, their rules.
In reply to Post #180
Nail has been hit on the head Ken .
It is all about insurances not paying out until travel restrictions are fully implemented.
Up till this morning UK residents COULD still travel therefore cancellations were at your own cost.
Nail has been hit on the head Ken .
It is all about insurances not paying out until travel restrictions are fully implemented.
Up till this morning UK residents COULD still travel therefore cancellations were at your own cost.
In reply to Post #174
You have totally missed the cost implication of cancelling any bookings until the ban is fully in place.
Not an easy decision for many , to just chuck away £500.
You have totally missed the cost implication of cancelling any bookings until the ban is fully in place.
Not an easy decision for many , to just chuck away £500.
In reply to Post #179
From 12.00 noon today no fishing on public lakes and rivers. 135€ fine for all non essential travel.
From 12.00 noon today no fishing on public lakes and rivers. 135€ fine for all non essential travel.
In reply to Post #184
This ends on April 1st?
Some venues are exempt due to their accommodation/gite business.
But the travel ban is in place till April 1st so this stops travelling to fisheries.
This ends on April 1st?
Some venues are exempt due to their accommodation/gite business.
But the travel ban is in place till April 1st so this stops travelling to fisheries.
In reply to Post #185
Up until 1st April is at the moment, it could be another two weeks, another two months, another ?
Who Knows?
Up until 1st April is at the moment, it could be another two weeks, another two months, another ?
Who Knows?
In reply to Post #180
Due out 11th April. Insurance Co will not pay out as the lake I have booked has offered an alternative date. It's not ideal as the dates don't suit.
Due out 11th April. Insurance Co will not pay out as the lake I have booked has offered an alternative date. It's not ideal as the dates don't suit.
In reply to Post #182
I have not claimed back my fees as the venue has told me to come back as soon as it is possible with no further costs. I think that is fair enough and as far as I am concerned he is welcome to hold on to my money as he may need it to see him through what will clearly be a sticky season for both him and many other lake owners in France. This situation is unprecedented so we are all playing it by ear, clients and venues alike.
I have not claimed back my fees as the venue has told me to come back as soon as it is possible with no further costs. I think that is fair enough and as far as I am concerned he is welcome to hold on to my money as he may need it to see him through what will clearly be a sticky season for both him and many other lake owners in France. This situation is unprecedented so we are all playing it by ear, clients and venues alike.
In reply to Post #188
That´s a fair proposal Ken, but what do lakes (like my old venue) do that are fully booked 2 years in advance as quite a few are these days?
That´s a fair proposal Ken, but what do lakes (like my old venue) do that are fully booked 2 years in advance as quite a few are these days?
In reply to Post #189
Some are extending the season, if possible for this year, and starting earlier next year and closing later. Some individual anglers or pairs might be able to pick up odd spaces and where some lakes have a rest in August will stay open.
Some are extending the season, if possible for this year, and starting earlier next year and closing later. Some individual anglers or pairs might be able to pick up odd spaces and where some lakes have a rest in August will stay open.
In reply to Post #190
Not sure it is really down to lake owners to do anything in the way of alternate dates / refunds.
They have running costs and shopping to buy ..............
When you go on holiday ........you take out insurance and that covers it.
Hotels don't phone you and offer this and that ............... You claim.
I have just had to cancel a French trip due to commence 28th March ..........Fully paid up 8 weeks ago.
For an insurance claim ,I could not cancel it until 17th March when the FCO actually pulled their finger from their behind and put the travel restriction in place.
I have also ( of my own accord ) pulled the plug on a trip to a well known pleasure angling venue in the South West, due to take place in May. Cost to my group for that ....£85 each in non recoverable deposits , as the full balance is due next week , and at this time there is no ruling in place. I just don't want the venue coping another grand and adding to the plight of the insurance companies , should I be able to claim in the next few weeks.........
The venue has drawn up a lengthy Covid 19 rules page , which basically in our opinion does not meet the criteria of the package offered at the time of our booking, nor does it fully understand just how bad things will become with regards to travel and self isolation in the coming weeks.
Not sure it is really down to lake owners to do anything in the way of alternate dates / refunds.
They have running costs and shopping to buy ..............
When you go on holiday ........you take out insurance and that covers it.
Hotels don't phone you and offer this and that ............... You claim.
I have just had to cancel a French trip due to commence 28th March ..........Fully paid up 8 weeks ago.
For an insurance claim ,I could not cancel it until 17th March when the FCO actually pulled their finger from their behind and put the travel restriction in place.
I have also ( of my own accord ) pulled the plug on a trip to a well known pleasure angling venue in the South West, due to take place in May. Cost to my group for that ....£85 each in non recoverable deposits , as the full balance is due next week , and at this time there is no ruling in place. I just don't want the venue coping another grand and adding to the plight of the insurance companies , should I be able to claim in the next few weeks.........
The venue has drawn up a lengthy Covid 19 rules page , which basically in our opinion does not meet the criteria of the package offered at the time of our booking, nor does it fully understand just how bad things will become with regards to travel and self isolation in the coming weeks.
In reply to Post #191
I just answered the question Ian
I just answered the question Ian
In reply to Post #192
Dont think travelling abroad will be the same for some time... Cant imagine a country letting people arrive without quarantine or similar... Nobody will want to risk another sh... storm once this settles down whenever that will be...
Dont think travelling abroad will be the same for some time... Cant imagine a country letting people arrive without quarantine or similar... Nobody will want to risk another sh... storm once this settles down whenever that will be...
In reply to Post #193
I have trips to France booked for May and September. Be very surprised if we get to France this year.
I have trips to France booked for May and September. Be very surprised if we get to France this year.
In reply to Post #194
April trip obviously gone and like you now think our August trip is looking very unlikely.
April trip obviously gone and like you now think our August trip is looking very unlikely.
In reply to Post #195
ATM France have stopped unnecessary travel which currently ends on April 1st. If this gets extended then it's off but if it's not and there are no UK restrictions then who knows.
They have been mentioning that it may be extended another 2 weeks but as with our situation it can change daily and hourly.
If your in the 'at risk' group then you should just forget it for the foreseeable future. But even this advice might change as everybody young and old might soon be considered at risk.
ATM France have stopped unnecessary travel which currently ends on April 1st. If this gets extended then it's off but if it's not and there are no UK restrictions then who knows.
They have been mentioning that it may be extended another 2 weeks but as with our situation it can change daily and hourly.
If your in the 'at risk' group then you should just forget it for the foreseeable future. But even this advice might change as everybody young and old might soon be considered at risk.
In reply to Post #196
Just returned to France via the tunnel and other than check on why/where I was going at the border no further sign of Gendarmes or checks at all. More local checks are happening everywhere however. Roads are empty other than lorries and the whole thing is being taken seriously enough that it is possible the French will get on top of the virus quite quickly. The problem is that when they do the UK is likely to be at the height of infection and I suspect that will result in cross border traffic coming to a standstill. I think that we are likely to see the first half of the season written off and looking on the dark side there is a real chance that the whole season will be scuppered. A nightmare !
Just returned to France via the tunnel and other than check on why/where I was going at the border no further sign of Gendarmes or checks at all. More local checks are happening everywhere however. Roads are empty other than lorries and the whole thing is being taken seriously enough that it is possible the French will get on top of the virus quite quickly. The problem is that when they do the UK is likely to be at the height of infection and I suspect that will result in cross border traffic coming to a standstill. I think that we are likely to see the first half of the season written off and looking on the dark side there is a real chance that the whole season will be scuppered. A nightmare !
I'm out in September and again in November so hopefully it will be all over but who knows
In reply to Post #196
Belgian government is foreseeing 8 more weeks of restrictions. I assume other countries do as well but don't communicate about it since the lockdown is still in place.
I expect it will be extended till end of may
Belgian government is foreseeing 8 more weeks of restrictions. I assume other countries do as well but don't communicate about it since the lockdown is still in place.
I expect it will be extended till end of may
In reply to Post #196
If your insurance company won't pay out because it's an "act of God" sue the Church. They are after all God's representative.
If your insurance company won't pay out because it's an "act of God" sue the Church. They are after all God's representative.
Lake owners just pay the guys their money back ,
You offered a service you now cant provide , take your out of pocket money up with the French government ,and not by keeping someone else's money
You offered a service you now cant provide , take your out of pocket money up with the French government ,and not by keeping someone else's money
In reply to Post #155
As promised earlier, now posting the outcome of my lake booking for the last week of April this year. The lake owner at Napoleon lakes contacted me on Saturday explaining that their policy was to not offer refunds (we have already paid the full amount as within 8 weeks). However what he was prepared to offer was an alternative week in the future, we are now booked for September 2023, I think this was a fair compromise. The lake owner gets to keep our money to help him through this tough period but ultimately loses the income from weeks in the future where he would normally be sold out.
2023 is a long time to wait so will forget this trip now for a few years... If the virus passes quicker than expected and a trip to France is actually possible this year somewhere in June/July we will be on the lookout for opportunities to lakes that have vacancies.
As promised earlier, now posting the outcome of my lake booking for the last week of April this year. The lake owner at Napoleon lakes contacted me on Saturday explaining that their policy was to not offer refunds (we have already paid the full amount as within 8 weeks). However what he was prepared to offer was an alternative week in the future, we are now booked for September 2023, I think this was a fair compromise. The lake owner gets to keep our money to help him through this tough period but ultimately loses the income from weeks in the future where he would normally be sold out.
2023 is a long time to wait so will forget this trip now for a few years... If the virus passes quicker than expected and a trip to France is actually possible this year somewhere in June/July we will be on the lookout for opportunities to lakes that have vacancies.
In reply to Post #201
Some are just taking your money while others are being more considerate and making the effort, it's pot luck who your booked with. Lots a people getting burnt by fisheries feeding resentment and reputation damage.... not that they all care... plenty of punters available to replace unhappy customers.
It's just how it is.
And yes, I do have a better quality insurance to cover my holiday. 
Some are just taking your money while others are being more considerate and making the effort, it's pot luck who your booked with. Lots a people getting burnt by fisheries feeding resentment and reputation damage.... not that they all care... plenty of punters available to replace unhappy customers.
It's just how it is.
And yes, I do have a better quality insurance to cover my holiday.
In reply to Post #203
What bit of INSURANCE don't you comprehend.
Stop banging on about lake owners.
IT IS DUMBF*CK anglers that have FAILED to book a HOLIDAY correctly
I doubt you even have a trip booked.....
BURN YOUR WOODEN SPOON
What bit of INSURANCE don't you comprehend.
Stop banging on about lake owners.
IT IS DUMBF*CK anglers that have FAILED to book a HOLIDAY correctly
I doubt you even have a trip booked.....
BURN YOUR WOODEN SPOON
In reply to Post #203
I don't spose the fisheries reputation will matter when they've gone out of business, everyone going on a holiday either fishing or otherwise should have adequate insurance, then no one loses out, saying that hats off to the lakes that are refunding but I really think they shouldn't have too.
I don't spose the fisheries reputation will matter when they've gone out of business, everyone going on a holiday either fishing or otherwise should have adequate insurance, then no one loses out, saying that hats off to the lakes that are refunding but I really think they shouldn't have too.
In reply to Post #204
Correct
Correct
In reply to Post #206
Due to the idiots that ignored government advice were on a 3 week lockdown.
Due to the idiots that ignored government advice were on a 3 week lockdown.
In reply to Post #207
We don't have a strictly lockdown, but a no contact rule over here in germany. Not more than two people together outside so fishing alone is still possible.
We don't have a strictly lockdown, but a no contact rule over here in germany. Not more than two people together outside so fishing alone is still possible.
In reply to Post #208
It's a non essential travel ban here.
What's the testing for COVID-19 of people situation in Germany mate?
It's a non essential travel ban here.
What's the testing for COVID-19 of people situation in Germany mate?
In reply to Post #209
We got
120000 test's a week
23000 infected
86 dead
2300 recover
We got
120000 test's a week
23000 infected
86 dead
2300 recover
In reply to Post #210
Thanks.
They must be testing the right people and getting them early. Can you request a test or are they targeting specific group's?
Thanks.
They must be testing the right people and getting them early. Can you request a test or are they targeting specific group's?
In reply to Post #211
You can request a test if you got any symtomps or for people like doctors, nurses, police and so on
You can request a test if you got any symtomps or for people like doctors, nurses, police and so on
In reply to Post #204
Whilst i would always recommend travel Insurance it doesn't justify a lake owner keeping your money in these circumstances. They in turn should have their own cancellation cover.
The Insurance Companies are not just automatically paying out and a travel policy should be viewed as the last resort, the travel operator, airline, hotel or venue provider should be offering a solution first.
Whilst i would always recommend travel Insurance it doesn't justify a lake owner keeping your money in these circumstances. They in turn should have their own cancellation cover.
The Insurance Companies are not just automatically paying out and a travel policy should be viewed as the last resort, the travel operator, airline, hotel or venue provider should be offering a solution first.
In reply to Post #212
Thanks.
Seems a few countries have a markedly lower mortality rate per number of infections than others. Germany, Austria, Switzerland are 3. Sounds like you're doing the same as us so no idea why that is.
Thanks.
Seems a few countries have a markedly lower mortality rate per number of infections than others. Germany, Austria, Switzerland are 3. Sounds like you're doing the same as us so no idea why that is.
In reply to Post #214
We are not testing ,unless people are hospitalized. So the death rate in England is higher because many infected people are not being diagnosed. Which is why social distancing is imperative. I've seen so many morons in groups you wouldn't credit it. The trouble is they will infect many people in high risk groups, not just their stupid mates.
We are not testing ,unless people are hospitalized. So the death rate in England is higher because many infected people are not being diagnosed. Which is why social distancing is imperative. I've seen so many morons in groups you wouldn't credit it. The trouble is they will infect many people in high risk groups, not just their stupid mates.
In reply to Post #215
I thought we we also doing the "trace" phase where you obviously test the people the person in hospital who is positive has been in contact with? So effectively request a test.
I thought we we also doing the "trace" phase where you obviously test the people the person in hospital who is positive has been in contact with? So effectively request a test.
In reply to Post #216
I would think so, but that's not the same as testing all people who have any symptoms. You shouldn't need to be isolated for weeks just for a cold.
I would think so, but that's not the same as testing all people who have any symptoms. You shouldn't need to be isolated for weeks just for a cold.
In reply to Post #217
Maybe it's a privacy issue. It's got to be easier people coming forward for tests if they've been in contact with someone recently. Rather than the person that's ill trying to remember and then authorities trying to find people.
Maybe it's a privacy issue. It's got to be easier people coming forward for tests if they've been in contact with someone recently. Rather than the person that's ill trying to remember and then authorities trying to find people.
In reply to Post #216
That was being done at the start but now with the rapid increase in cases, probably not practical.
That was being done at the start but now with the rapid increase in cases, probably not practical.
In reply to Post #213
Get real.............
Where are you getting this ridiculous idea from.
Please expand on you previous experience of these mystical refunds !!!!
When you book a holiday ...............
It is down to YOU to take correct cover............ NOT THE SUPPLIER.
From the lakes booking pages to the ferry and tunnel ..............BIG QUESTION ...DO YOU WANT INSURANCE.
It cannot be any more self explanatory and SIMPLE.
If you were talking about your summer holiday being cancelled ............. you would go straight to your insurance policy and not even contemplate trying to get a refund from the hotel , or start bitching about the hotel.
None of you can justify blaming the lake owners .............
I would imagine the 50% non returnable deposits is 'their insurance'.......... Obviously enough to cover a no show.
Then that opens up a whole new can of worms , as to how much you are initially paying for a weeks fishing if owners are settling for 50% non refundable for a no show ??
As I said earlier there have been many posts about why 50% is the norm in fishing trips....Personally I do not think that is right.
Get real.............
Where are you getting this ridiculous idea from.
Please expand on you previous experience of these mystical refunds !!!!
When you book a holiday ...............
It is down to YOU to take correct cover............ NOT THE SUPPLIER.
From the lakes booking pages to the ferry and tunnel ..............BIG QUESTION ...DO YOU WANT INSURANCE.
It cannot be any more self explanatory and SIMPLE.
If you were talking about your summer holiday being cancelled ............. you would go straight to your insurance policy and not even contemplate trying to get a refund from the hotel , or start bitching about the hotel.
None of you can justify blaming the lake owners .............
I would imagine the 50% non returnable deposits is 'their insurance'.......... Obviously enough to cover a no show.
Then that opens up a whole new can of worms , as to how much you are initially paying for a weeks fishing if owners are settling for 50% non refundable for a no show ??
As I said earlier there have been many posts about why 50% is the norm in fishing trips....Personally I do not think that is right.
In reply to Post #220
OK BigYelloCoc you obviously know better than everyone else so we will all just bow to your superior knowledge...
It is not as black and white as you say, although I do agree that anyone booking a holiday without appropriate travel insurance is foolish.
Under any Insurance policy a claim is dealt with under it's own merits and there are countless caveats for cancellation under travel policies.
I know of two parties of anglers who are in this position. The first one, the owner decided to shut his lake just a week before their trip before the FCO listed France and all but essential travel was banned. On the second one a group of lads decided not to travel for fear of getting stuck over there. In both cases the Insurers aren't getting involved as 1) it was the venues decision to close and 2) they could have traveled but chose not to.
Like I said, it's not black and white in every case....nothing mystical about that, just fact!
The success or otherwise of claims for losses or costs suffered as a result of travel disruption will depend on the individual policy taken out, when it was taken out, who cancelled the trip and the reason why.
OK BigYelloCoc you obviously know better than everyone else so we will all just bow to your superior knowledge...
It is not as black and white as you say, although I do agree that anyone booking a holiday without appropriate travel insurance is foolish. Under any Insurance policy a claim is dealt with under it's own merits and there are countless caveats for cancellation under travel policies.
I know of two parties of anglers who are in this position. The first one, the owner decided to shut his lake just a week before their trip before the FCO listed France and all but essential travel was banned. On the second one a group of lads decided not to travel for fear of getting stuck over there. In both cases the Insurers aren't getting involved as 1) it was the venues decision to close and 2) they could have traveled but chose not to.
Like I said, it's not black and white in every case....nothing mystical about that, just fact!
The success or otherwise of claims for losses or costs suffered as a result of travel disruption will depend on the individual policy taken out, when it was taken out, who cancelled the trip and the reason why.
In reply to Post #221
You are arguing against yourself there....Totally different scenarios.
An owner shutting his lake prior to a fully paid trip is a different kettle of fish.
That is then between him and his paid group.
Similar thing .....My Campanile hotel booking has been refunded directly by them ....... because they were not allowed to fulfill my booking under French laws...... No insurance claim required.
P&O have offered a credit note for alternate travel.
My travel insurance came into play 10 days prior to my trip.......
Prior to that We would also have taken a massive hit ............due to Government delays in outlining policy.
Second point is sadly not valid for the insurance argument. For whatever reason ....They chose not to go .
Again I have pulled out of a trip planned for May ...........No bans in place yet.....our choice that we cannot risk what will be happening.........No insurance involved , because we have cancelled....We are out of pocket on that.
Based on these cries for lake owners to pay ...........Nobody would ever take out insurance again.
Heres a positive thought............
Why don't lake owners deal with a complete package ........... to include full insurance cover for any eventuality.
I suspect the reason they don't is because it would become glaringly obvious to anglers just how much insurance they need to pay.
You are arguing against yourself there....Totally different scenarios.
An owner shutting his lake prior to a fully paid trip is a different kettle of fish.
That is then between him and his paid group.
Similar thing .....My Campanile hotel booking has been refunded directly by them ....... because they were not allowed to fulfill my booking under French laws...... No insurance claim required.
P&O have offered a credit note for alternate travel.
My travel insurance came into play 10 days prior to my trip.......
Prior to that We would also have taken a massive hit ............due to Government delays in outlining policy.
Second point is sadly not valid for the insurance argument. For whatever reason ....They chose not to go .
Again I have pulled out of a trip planned for May ...........No bans in place yet.....our choice that we cannot risk what will be happening.........No insurance involved , because we have cancelled....We are out of pocket on that.
Based on these cries for lake owners to pay ...........Nobody would ever take out insurance again.
Heres a positive thought............
Why don't lake owners deal with a complete package ........... to include full insurance cover for any eventuality.
I suspect the reason they don't is because it would become glaringly obvious to anglers just how much insurance they need to pay.
In reply to Post #222
I'm not arguing against myself at all.....
You said it was "self-explanatory and simple" in post #220....I'm saying that it isn't...and you are compounding my points by agreeing that there are "totally different scenarios" and giving further examples...
I'm not arguing against myself at all.....
You said it was "self-explanatory and simple" in post #220....I'm saying that it isn't...and you are compounding my points by agreeing that there are "totally different scenarios" and giving further examples...
In reply to Post #222
Thinking logically should both parties not have insurance,
Personal insurance to cover the individual not being able to complete the holiday due to their own circumstances.
Lake owners / Hotels / transport to cover them not being able to accommodate guests?
In my opinion, if you have paid for a service and that service isn't provided then it should be refunded, simple.
If you purchased a train ticket and that was cancelled due to network issues would you expect a refund?
Thinking logically should both parties not have insurance,
Personal insurance to cover the individual not being able to complete the holiday due to their own circumstances.
Lake owners / Hotels / transport to cover them not being able to accommodate guests?
In my opinion, if you have paid for a service and that service isn't provided then it should be refunded, simple.
If you purchased a train ticket and that was cancelled due to network issues would you expect a refund?
In reply to Post #224
Agree but if you couldn't make it to the station? You wouldn't expect a refund from the train company. You need to be able to apportion blame to a party, rely on goodwill or have insurance that covers the particular issue.
Agree but if you couldn't make it to the station? You wouldn't expect a refund from the train company. You need to be able to apportion blame to a party, rely on goodwill or have insurance that covers the particular issue.
In reply to Post #224
Agree 100%
Agree 100%
In reply to Post #224
Yes a decent Holiday company, (fishing or otherwise) should have their own policy covering cancellations, not necessarily ad-hoc cancellations, (which is why they take a deposit) but for disaster situations, (fire, flood etc). I will wager however that most of them don't.
having said that, you can bet cover for infectious diseases would be excluded...!
Yes a decent Holiday company, (fishing or otherwise) should have their own policy covering cancellations, not necessarily ad-hoc cancellations, (which is why they take a deposit) but for disaster situations, (fire, flood etc). I will wager however that most of them don't.
having said that, you can bet cover for infectious diseases would be excluded...!
In reply to Post #225
Nope wouldn't expect a refund if I didn't turn up, but in this scenario,
If there is no travel between UK/France, that is the operators issue and they need to refund and then claim.
If the Lake is shut, that is the owners issue so they need to refund and then claim.
If the lake is open and I can travel but decide not to travel then that is 100% my problem.
If the lake is open but cant travel because of restrictions then I would fully expect to get my travel refunded but the lake booking I would have t take on the chin as it isnt the owners fault I cant make it to the lake.
Nope wouldn't expect a refund if I didn't turn up, but in this scenario,
If there is no travel between UK/France, that is the operators issue and they need to refund and then claim.
If the Lake is shut, that is the owners issue so they need to refund and then claim.
If the lake is open and I can travel but decide not to travel then that is 100% my problem.
If the lake is open but cant travel because of restrictions then I would fully expect to get my travel refunded but the lake booking I would have t take on the chin as it isnt the owners fault I cant make it to the lake.
In reply to Post #228
That's a fair summary
That's a fair summary
In reply to Post #227
I agree with everything you've said mate , luckily I do my own thing usually in France so won't be losing out , I'd be very pissed off if I'd paid half towards a booking and received nothing back , can the French fishery owners claim loss of earnings like we are doing over here ? Seems a more sensible idea
I agree with everything you've said mate , luckily I do my own thing usually in France so won't be losing out , I'd be very pissed off if I'd paid half towards a booking and received nothing back , can the French fishery owners claim loss of earnings like we are doing over here ? Seems a more sensible idea
In reply to Post #230
Yes they can claim loss of earnings as the government has stopped all unnecessary travel . They can also claim 80% of anybody's wages that they are employing. Only thing is they have to be fully registered and filling in a French tax return to claim anything.
Yes they can claim loss of earnings as the government has stopped all unnecessary travel . They can also claim 80% of anybody's wages that they are employing. Only thing is they have to be fully registered and filling in a French tax return to claim anything.
In reply to Post #231
Wow , that could open up a can of worms
Wow , that could open up a can of worms
In reply to Post #231
That is not exactly true. At the moment there is nothing in place for either a micro-bic or an entrepreneur although there could be an announcement tonight. There could be 1500 euro's available next month however the exact requirements to be met have yet to be announced. Loss of earnings is not covered.
That is not exactly true. At the moment there is nothing in place for either a micro-bic or an entrepreneur although there could be an announcement tonight. There could be 1500 euro's available next month however the exact requirements to be met have yet to be announced. Loss of earnings is not covered.
In reply to Post #231
It will open a hornets nest as I am fairly certain that a lot of fisheries pay their bailiffs off the record. Also been too busy following what is happening here in regard to Government support, so the French Government have offered the same assistance as we have here in providing 80% of wages to employees?
It will open a hornets nest as I am fairly certain that a lot of fisheries pay their bailiffs off the record. Also been too busy following what is happening here in regard to Government support, so the French Government have offered the same assistance as we have here in providing 80% of wages to employees?
In reply to Post #233
That´s what I thought!
That´s what I thought!
In reply to Post #222
Similar thing .....My Campanile hotel booking has been refunded directly by them ....... because they were not allowed to fulfill my booking under French laws...... No insurance claim required.
So you agree that if French authorities are stopping travelling to a fishing destination that the fishery should refund, French law stopping the booking so its exactly the same scenario. No insurance claim required.
Thank you for clarifying that fisheries should refund bookings... well that's that cleared up.
Similar thing .....My Campanile hotel booking has been refunded directly by them ....... because they were not allowed to fulfill my booking under French laws...... No insurance claim required.
So you agree that if French authorities are stopping travelling to a fishing destination that the fishery should refund, French law stopping the booking so its exactly the same scenario. No insurance claim required.
Thank you for clarifying that fisheries should refund bookings... well that's that cleared up.
In reply to Post #236
All well and good but a lot of French waters state in their t's and c's......
"This contract shall be governed by English law in every particular including formation and interpretation and shall be deemed to have been made in England."
All well and good but a lot of French waters state in their t's and c's......
"This contract shall be governed by English law in every particular including formation and interpretation and shall be deemed to have been made in England."
In reply to Post #237
All French fisheries are required to be French registered and have Siret number. They are therefore required to abide by French Law not English Law. Anyone who has made a payment to a French venue regardless of making the payment to an English bank are entitled to a full refund.
All French fisheries are required to be French registered and have Siret number. They are therefore required to abide by French Law not English Law. Anyone who has made a payment to a French venue regardless of making the payment to an English bank are entitled to a full refund.
In reply to Post #233
All business's in France have been given free business rates, free overdrafts, free loans ( no interest) and 1500€ for loss of earnings.
If a business is registered in France it will come under French law and would have to abide by the law of the country it is trading in.
All business's in France have been given free business rates, free overdrafts, free loans ( no interest) and 1500€ for loss of earnings.
If a business is registered in France it will come under French law and would have to abide by the law of the country it is trading in.
In reply to Post #239
Just to clarify a couple of points from your post if I may. Utility bills and other costs that the French government has said they would help with, including the mentioned loans and overdrafts are just deferred debt and not in any way compensation for total loss of earnings. The 1500 euro's mentioned is something that clarification is due to be issued on on March 31st. It is a payment of UP TO 1500 euro's and the exact criteria of eligibility for that payment and how much is yet to be decided. To date their is no help, as far as I am aware of, for extended loss of income just schemes to defer debt to a later stage.
Just to clarify a couple of points from your post if I may. Utility bills and other costs that the French government has said they would help with, including the mentioned loans and overdrafts are just deferred debt and not in any way compensation for total loss of earnings. The 1500 euro's mentioned is something that clarification is due to be issued on on March 31st. It is a payment of UP TO 1500 euro's and the exact criteria of eligibility for that payment and how much is yet to be decided. To date their is no help, as far as I am aware of, for extended loss of income just schemes to defer debt to a later stage.
In reply to Post #238
That may be so, I was just pointing out what some websites state...
That may be so, I was just pointing out what some websites state...
In reply to Post #240
No government in any country is likely to pay out any compensation within 10 days of announcing it, Its a bit like what the self employed are getting or going to get in the U.K. surely you carn't of lost that much money in the last 10 days since closure.
No government in any country is likely to pay out any compensation within 10 days of announcing it, Its a bit like what the self employed are getting or going to get in the U.K. surely you carn't of lost that much money in the last 10 days since closure.
In reply to Post #237
Dont forget the U.K. is still in the European union until the 31st December so E.U law should really be applicable,
Dont forget the U.K. is still in the European union until the 31st December so E.U law should really be applicable,
In reply to Post #242
I was not making any issue or point about how much I have lost I was merely clarifying the situation regarding support here in France.
I was not making any issue or point about how much I have lost I was merely clarifying the situation regarding support here in France.
Surely lots of commercial fisheries have stocking levels that are entirely dependent on the fact that there are anglers chucking vast quantities of quality bait in every day of the year.
I wonder how weights and general fish health will be impacted by the various lockdowns home and abroad as the weeks pass. Sure they can feed the fish, but with no revenues coming in, I doubt many fishery owners will be able to afford to make up for the lack of bait going in.
I wonder how weights and general fish health will be impacted by the various lockdowns home and abroad as the weeks pass. Sure they can feed the fish, but with no revenues coming in, I doubt many fishery owners will be able to afford to make up for the lack of bait going in.
In reply to Post #245
Well I've just managed to cancel my Eurostar
Due to go to abbey may 2nd
I have two in my party over 70 and one with type two diabetes.
Phoned up and they said I would receive my full refund within 3 to 4 days.
Just waiting for abbey to contact me for a refund too
Well I've just managed to cancel my Eurostar
Due to go to abbey may 2nd
I have two in my party over 70 and one with type two diabetes.
Phoned up and they said I would receive my full refund within 3 to 4 days.
Just waiting for abbey to contact me for a refund too
In reply to Post #245
Good point Jon however when you consider that the carp stock of many lakes are their single biggest asset it would make sense to ensure they are kept well fed.
Good point Jon however when you consider that the carp stock of many lakes are their single biggest asset it would make sense to ensure they are kept well fed.
In reply to Post #238
That's very interesting , I think if you haven't received something through no fault of your own .i.e. the current situation , you should be reimbursed 100% , no questions asked .
The lack of refunds offered or not offered by French fisheries during these times will be remembered no doubt
That's very interesting , I think if you haven't received something through no fault of your own .i.e. the current situation , you should be reimbursed 100% , no questions asked .
The lack of refunds offered or not offered by French fisheries during these times will be remembered no doubt
In reply to Post #245
Possibly on some venues but I think a lot don´t depend on vast quantities of bait being introduced. When I started my venue many years ago and not having that many anglers in the early days, I used to feed pellet and as years passed, most anglers used about 10kg of boilies a week (advised maximum allowed), 10 anglers x 10kgs, the equivalent of 100kgs, the cost of 100kgs of pellet is not that much really.
Possibly on some venues but I think a lot don´t depend on vast quantities of bait being introduced. When I started my venue many years ago and not having that many anglers in the early days, I used to feed pellet and as years passed, most anglers used about 10kg of boilies a week (advised maximum allowed), 10 anglers x 10kgs, the equivalent of 100kgs, the cost of 100kgs of pellet is not that much really.
In reply to Post #248
It's also through no fault of the fishery, so the sensible outcome is to have the week rearranged at no extra cost
It's also through no fault of the fishery, so the sensible outcome is to have the week rearranged at no extra cost
In reply to Post #250
Many of the best fisheries in france are booked at least 2 to 3 years in advance. Not sure i would be keen on someone holding on to my heard earned for 3 years in advance.
It's tricky, but l feel the biggest problem is the 50% deposit in advance. It would make sense that if your booking is at least18 months in advance to take a nominal fee to hold the place, which is then deducted from when the deposit is due. If deposit not paid, place is lost. Doesn't help much at the moment, tho.
Many of the best fisheries in france are booked at least 2 to 3 years in advance. Not sure i would be keen on someone holding on to my heard earned for 3 years in advance.
It's tricky, but l feel the biggest problem is the 50% deposit in advance. It would make sense that if your booking is at least18 months in advance to take a nominal fee to hold the place, which is then deducted from when the deposit is due. If deposit not paid, place is lost. Doesn't help much at the moment, tho.
In reply to Post #251
That's also a myth. I only know of a couple of fisheries that are full in 2022, most have plenty of availability for 2021 and 2022
That's also a myth. I only know of a couple of fisheries that are full in 2022, most have plenty of availability for 2021 and 2022
In reply to Post #252
Petrhaps you need to do some more research!
Petrhaps you need to do some more research!
In reply to Post #253
Agreed
Agreed
In reply to Post #254
People are bitching over an "Act of God" ffs if losing a weeks fishing booking was the least of my worries I would snap your hand off! Construction in the UK will be on its knees in the next few months all these insolvent BIG major construction companies now have the perfect answer to fold which will filter throughout the supply chain Massive loss of jobs trust me, lets have the same conversation in 3 months and see where we at but to imply that you should be refunded come on NO one is to blame here its out of all our hands! we all should be insured end off!
People are bitching over an "Act of God" ffs if losing a weeks fishing booking was the least of my worries I would snap your hand off! Construction in the UK will be on its knees in the next few months all these insolvent BIG major construction companies now have the perfect answer to fold which will filter throughout the supply chain Massive loss of jobs trust me, lets have the same conversation in 3 months and see where we at but to imply that you should be refunded come on NO one is to blame here its out of all our hands! we all should be insured end off!
Just make sure you get the cover you need
In reply to Post #256
Rob Green at meadow lake has moved our cancelled April trip to August, which considering the circumstances I think is quite a decent thing to do. I did ask him if he was doing refunds originally but I think this is more than adequate as nobody Is guilty of blame. Now direct ferries i am having a serious problem with, I'm struggling to even get a reply regarding our cancelled crossing!!
Rob Green at meadow lake has moved our cancelled April trip to August, which considering the circumstances I think is quite a decent thing to do. I did ask him if he was doing refunds originally but I think this is more than adequate as nobody Is guilty of blame. Now direct ferries i am having a serious problem with, I'm struggling to even get a reply regarding our cancelled crossing!!
In reply to Post #257
Rob has always been a reasonable guy, good result for you and good luck with the ferry company! Never heard of them until I read your message, so obviously they are an agency not a ferry company, as I said good luck m8! Just been looking at the various companies providing transport to France, P & O taking bookings even from tomorrow and no mention of Covid 19 and the restrictions in France or am I looking at the wrong website, unbelievable!
Rob has always been a reasonable guy, good result for you and good luck with the ferry company! Never heard of them until I read your message, so obviously they are an agency not a ferry company, as I said good luck m8! Just been looking at the various companies providing transport to France, P & O taking bookings even from tomorrow and no mention of Covid 19 and the restrictions in France or am I looking at the wrong website, unbelievable!
In reply to Post #258
Thanks David. Yes direct ferries are an agency, we sail with brittany ferries but booked through d.f. They said organising an amendment wouldn't be a problem but we shall see!! Yea Rob has been nothing but helpful and understanding in what has otherwise been an absolute s#$t show!!!
Thanks David. Yes direct ferries are an agency, we sail with brittany ferries but booked through d.f. They said organising an amendment wouldn't be a problem but we shall see!! Yea Rob has been nothing but helpful and understanding in what has otherwise been an absolute s#$t show!!!
In reply to Post #261
France lockdown extended to May 11th.....
France lockdown extended to May 11th.....
In reply to Post #262
Even if there are no further extensions it will be July or August at best until travel across the boarders of Europe are back to normal. Just in time for the French holidays!
Even if there are no further extensions it will be July or August at best until travel across the boarders of Europe are back to normal. Just in time for the French holidays!
In reply to Post #262
There's still an outside chance that my June 6th trip would still be on then.....
There's still an outside chance that my June 6th trip would still be on then.....
In reply to Post #263
Borders are open mate - the borders are not the issue and as far as I can see never have been. It's the restrictions on travelling that are stopping anyone getting to their French venues.
Borders are open mate - the borders are not the issue and as far as I can see never have been. It's the restrictions on travelling that are stopping anyone getting to their French venues.
In reply to Post #265
You also have the problem with camping being banned at the moment. This would apply to biyying up around a lake.
You also have the problem with camping being banned at the moment. This would apply to biyying up around a lake.
From what I see last night they said there's a very good chance the borders will be closed to holiday makers for most of this year
In reply to Post #267
That was non EU borders.
That was non EU borders.
In reply to Post #268
I'll shut up now 😂
I'll shut up now 😂
In reply to Post #269
At least it will all be over in France by the end of August. They have moved the tour de France to 29th I believe so they must know something we don't.
At least it will all be over in France by the end of August. They have moved the tour de France to 29th I believe so they must know something we don't.
In reply to Post #270
Yes they know how to keep sponsors waiting and not drop out for now
Yes they know how to keep sponsors waiting and not drop out for now
In reply to Post #270
I'll put my head on the black and say nobody from the UK will be visiting France for a carp fishing trip in 2020, unless an effective vaccine is made PDQ!
I'll put my head on the black and say nobody from the UK will be visiting France for a carp fishing trip in 2020, unless an effective vaccine is made PDQ!
In reply to Post #272
I think you are right. We are in a really bad place right now and the people in charge everywhere are trying to juggle 15 balls while riding a unicycycle with a puncture to give a sense of normality. The daily government update is a joke, with joke statistics. Purely political exercise by government. I'm a grown up, why aren't they.
I think you are right. We are in a really bad place right now and the people in charge everywhere are trying to juggle 15 balls while riding a unicycycle with a puncture to give a sense of normality. The daily government update is a joke, with joke statistics. Purely political exercise by government. I'm a grown up, why aren't they.
In reply to Post #272
Never
Never
In reply to Post #272
We might not be even fishing in the UK this year, the latest W.H.O. statement that the antibodies tests are a waste of space and that there is no evidence that people cannot get the virus more than once is another nail in any lockdown being lifted. Going to build a 9 hole crazy golf set up in my garden to stop me going crazy.
We might not be even fishing in the UK this year, the latest W.H.O. statement that the antibodies tests are a waste of space and that there is no evidence that people cannot get the virus more than once is another nail in any lockdown being lifted. Going to build a 9 hole crazy golf set up in my garden to stop me going crazy.
In reply to Post #274
We all need to get real. This is the real deal. A pandemic of an unknown virus against which we have no defenses except our own immune systems. Until a safe and effective vaccine is developed, manufactured and distributed, none of this is going away and a lot more people are going to die. None of this is going to be measured in weeks. There is a long difficult road ahead for us all. Unfortunately for all us anglers our tickets, licences, memberships and holiday bookings are all insignificant, unimportant personal losses. This is going to have to play out to nature's rules whatever Trump and that Brazilian fellow nincompoop think. Sorry but that's how I see it. A lot of bright people have been modelling this for decades
We all need to get real. This is the real deal. A pandemic of an unknown virus against which we have no defenses except our own immune systems. Until a safe and effective vaccine is developed, manufactured and distributed, none of this is going away and a lot more people are going to die. None of this is going to be measured in weeks. There is a long difficult road ahead for us all. Unfortunately for all us anglers our tickets, licences, memberships and holiday bookings are all insignificant, unimportant personal losses. This is going to have to play out to nature's rules whatever Trump and that Brazilian fellow nincompoop think. Sorry but that's how I see it. A lot of bright people have been modelling this for decades
In reply to Post #276
Spot on
Spot on
In reply to Post #276
If you have the Corona virus you have a 98% chance of survival.
Of those who have died 91% were elderly and had 2 or more existing medical conditions. 150,000 have died worldwide from a population of 8 billion. I think we need a bit of perspective.
If you have the Corona virus you have a 98% chance of survival.
Of those who have died 91% were elderly and had 2 or more existing medical conditions. 150,000 have died worldwide from a population of 8 billion. I think we need a bit of perspective.
In reply to Post #278
latest figures:
156,338 deaths
World pop. 7.8 billion
so about 0.002%
just for perspective roughly 1.5million die from Tuberculosis every year
latest figures:
156,338 deaths
World pop. 7.8 billion
so about 0.002%
just for perspective roughly 1.5million die from Tuberculosis every year
In reply to Post #278
Agree perspective is needed. Don't know where your figures come from, but using them and your logic this is the perspective view. World wide 160 million deaths, UK 1.2 million deaths. No problems there then.
Agree perspective is needed. Don't know where your figures come from, but using them and your logic this is the perspective view. World wide 160 million deaths, UK 1.2 million deaths. No problems there then.
The trouble with this virus is it is still an unknown quantity, and who it effects and how badly. A girl i work with her brother had it he is a healthy 50 year old bloke no known health issues, non smoker ran every day played five a side football every week.
Three weeks ago he got mildly ill after about two weeks deteriorated badly got taken to hospital and put in induced coma and ventilator for days, fortunately he was brought round and appears to be making a good recovery.
Someone that works on the other shift lost his mum to it on friday, unbeknown to us he had been in close contact with his mum and may have brought it into work yet he has no symptoms but about 10 days ago and engineer off the same shift went off with severe temperature and cough struggling for breath he couldn't do anything for two days just bed ridden, now slowly recovering but hasn't been tested, yet this guy is in early 60's has had several major health problems including a stroke last year.
Another engineers wife who works at tesco, had her friend who worked alongside her become ill last week all the symptoms went home a couple of days later passed away in her sleep, almost certainly a corona virus death that wasn't recorded.
Id be surprised if anything gets back to normal this year with foreign traveling and fishing.
Three weeks ago he got mildly ill after about two weeks deteriorated badly got taken to hospital and put in induced coma and ventilator for days, fortunately he was brought round and appears to be making a good recovery.
Someone that works on the other shift lost his mum to it on friday, unbeknown to us he had been in close contact with his mum and may have brought it into work yet he has no symptoms but about 10 days ago and engineer off the same shift went off with severe temperature and cough struggling for breath he couldn't do anything for two days just bed ridden, now slowly recovering but hasn't been tested, yet this guy is in early 60's has had several major health problems including a stroke last year.
Another engineers wife who works at tesco, had her friend who worked alongside her become ill last week all the symptoms went home a couple of days later passed away in her sleep, almost certainly a corona virus death that wasn't recorded.
Id be surprised if anything gets back to normal this year with foreign traveling and fishing.
In reply to Post #282
Unknown or not. The figures speak for themselves.
Malaria kills around 2 to 3 million yearly.
Hunger kills 9 million.
Aids 700,000 deaths yearly.
Tuberculosis 1.5 million deaths yearly.
Dirty drinking water account for almost half a million deaths each year.
Again I say...... perspective.
Unknown or not. The figures speak for themselves.
Malaria kills around 2 to 3 million yearly.
Hunger kills 9 million.
Aids 700,000 deaths yearly.
Tuberculosis 1.5 million deaths yearly.
Dirty drinking water account for almost half a million deaths each year.
Again I say...... perspective.
In reply to Post #283
Problem is there is no vaccine or any other solution for this virus at the moment.
No good sticking your head in the ground is it?
We have to get through this and stick to the rules, simple as that.
Problem is there is no vaccine or any other solution for this virus at the moment.
No good sticking your head in the ground is it?
We have to get through this and stick to the rules, simple as that.
In reply to Post #283
Add Covid19which attacks the weak and vulnerable. Hungry, thirsty people carrying parasites and the many other third world health problems with no health infrastructure in their nations. What are the figures likely to be then This has a long way to go. Does anybody know what is going to happen? No. Got a vaccine? No. This is not going to be over in weeks or months. We are still in the initial phase. With the exception of aids, we have effective treatments for the other diseases mentioned, including diseases transmitted in dirty water and people have a level of resistance to them, for Covid we don't. I'm not saying we won't prevail, we will but this is not some minor inconvenience delaying people's holiday. Glad you have such a detached perspective on so many millions of deaths.
Add Covid19which attacks the weak and vulnerable. Hungry, thirsty people carrying parasites and the many other third world health problems with no health infrastructure in their nations. What are the figures likely to be then This has a long way to go. Does anybody know what is going to happen? No. Got a vaccine? No. This is not going to be over in weeks or months. We are still in the initial phase. With the exception of aids, we have effective treatments for the other diseases mentioned, including diseases transmitted in dirty water and people have a level of resistance to them, for Covid we don't. I'm not saying we won't prevail, we will but this is not some minor inconvenience delaying people's holiday. Glad you have such a detached perspective on so many millions of deaths.
Spot on, Lance & Robby. Perspective is all very well but until this thing has run its course quoting perspective is meaningless.
In reply to Post #286
I had 3 trips planned early, late March ,,may & June , put them all back to October/ November , might be lucky might not ?
Staying safe is far more important than fishing , bloody hard though 🙄
I had 3 trips planned early, late March ,,may & June , put them all back to October/ November , might be lucky might not ?
Staying safe is far more important than fishing , bloody hard though 🙄
In reply to Post #287
https://www.thelocal.fr/20200423/travel-around-france-to-be-allowed-after-may-11th-macron-announces?fbclid=IwAR2mgQXjWQkjUj8WSOl21JlKcpYjIec39frmjDOTh5HdMko42kbMx-_KOC4
https://www.thelocal.fr/20200423/travel-around-france-to-be-allowed-after-may-11th-macron-announces?fbclid=IwAR2mgQXjWQkjUj8WSOl21JlKcpYjIec39frmjDOTh5HdMko42kbMx-_KOC4
In reply to Post #288
That might be the case but UK anglers will not be fishing in France in May, travel restrictions will still be in place then either here or there.
That might be the case but UK anglers will not be fishing in France in May, travel restrictions will still be in place then either here or there.
In reply to Post #289
And the problem will be they'll be people booked on lakes and the lakes will be open but we can't travel there.
That's not the lake owners fault he'll be open for business so UK anglers may have to lose deposits and payments?
And the problem will be they'll be people booked on lakes and the lakes will be open but we can't travel there.
That's not the lake owners fault he'll be open for business so UK anglers may have to lose deposits and payments?
In reply to Post #290
Exactly, except I don´t think many fisheries in France will seriously believe that they will be open in May and I don´t think many people who booked in May will have paid their holiday balance in March.
Exactly, except I don´t think many fisheries in France will seriously believe that they will be open in May and I don´t think many people who booked in May will have paid their holiday balance in March.
In reply to Post #36
@oldfellah. What's the situation at your lake moulin Du mee.....regarding your shutdown ? Are you refunding full booking? Keeping deposits?? or changing bookings affected to alternative dates ? Or are you telling people to claim through there travel insurance..I take it with so many regulars returning yearly to your venue you have looked after them ?? Wouid be interesting to hear what lake owners are looking after there customers and what ones are telling them to claim through insurance or keeping deposits etc...my trip to la Saule Paquot has been rearranged with no hesitation by the owner Tony who couldn't do enough to help his customers in this Coronavirus shutdown..
@oldfellah. What's the situation at your lake moulin Du mee.....regarding your shutdown ? Are you refunding full booking? Keeping deposits?? or changing bookings affected to alternative dates ? Or are you telling people to claim through there travel insurance..I take it with so many regulars returning yearly to your venue you have looked after them ?? Wouid be interesting to hear what lake owners are looking after there customers and what ones are telling them to claim through insurance or keeping deposits etc...my trip to la Saule Paquot has been rearranged with no hesitation by the owner Tony who couldn't do enough to help his customers in this Coronavirus shutdown..
In reply to Post #292
If anglers can claim through their travel insurance then that's great for all concerned and not to be sniffed at. In our case we have carried any deposits paid over to the next booking. As most of our guests are regulars that suits them fine. I would add that without exception our anglers have been understanding of the situation and extremely helpful. There is a lot said about the importance of fisheries looking after their anglers but perhaps it would be nice to hear of the many anglers that have such a good relationship with their fishery that they are thinking of their plight in this difficult time. I have been inundated with supportive messages and even had a couple of anglers offer to help with the cost of feeding the fish during the shutdown. As our anglers are now friends of long standing in the main we are working through this difficult phase together.
I would also add that the big losers financially are the fisheries who have a total loss of income during the shutdown. It will not surprise me if a good many venue's will not be in a position to weather the lock down period. Very sad for all concerned.
And perhaps most important of all is to stay safe and hope that this bloody plague doesn't take anyone dear to you.
If anglers can claim through their travel insurance then that's great for all concerned and not to be sniffed at. In our case we have carried any deposits paid over to the next booking. As most of our guests are regulars that suits them fine. I would add that without exception our anglers have been understanding of the situation and extremely helpful. There is a lot said about the importance of fisheries looking after their anglers but perhaps it would be nice to hear of the many anglers that have such a good relationship with their fishery that they are thinking of their plight in this difficult time. I have been inundated with supportive messages and even had a couple of anglers offer to help with the cost of feeding the fish during the shutdown. As our anglers are now friends of long standing in the main we are working through this difficult phase together.
I would also add that the big losers financially are the fisheries who have a total loss of income during the shutdown. It will not surprise me if a good many venue's will not be in a position to weather the lock down period. Very sad for all concerned.
And perhaps most important of all is to stay safe and hope that this bloody plague doesn't take anyone dear to you.
In reply to Post #293
It's good to hear of a decent business doing right by its customers who behave in a similar manner
It's good to hear of a decent business doing right by its customers who behave in a similar manner
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