I'm really interested in making my own homemade quality HNV bait.
I want a high milk and quality fishmeal bait with john bakers plum and squid.
Really not sure where to start there are so many options and I'm not sure of what percentages.
I know there have been lots of threads on this but as times change and suppliers come and go, I would like an up to date opinion.
I just really need a starting point of percentages of each ingredient and where to buy from.. I can spent around £100 maybe a bit more to start.
Is there a single supplier that will supply everything I need?
I had a look at bacarelexpress but not sure if it's good value? Also they only do 1kg or 25kg of most items... confuzzled! But have to start somewhere!
I want a high milk and quality fishmeal bait with john bakers plum and squid.
Really not sure where to start there are so many options and I'm not sure of what percentages.
I know there have been lots of threads on this but as times change and suppliers come and go, I would like an up to date opinion.
I just really need a starting point of percentages of each ingredient and where to buy from.. I can spent around £100 maybe a bit more to start.
Is there a single supplier that will supply everything I need?
I had a look at bacarelexpress but not sure if it's good value? Also they only do 1kg or 25kg of most items... confuzzled! But have to start somewhere!
In reply to Post #1
Looking at what you want I would have a look at BAF and their ready made mix TropAmino it seems to be what you want.
Looking at what you want I would have a look at BAF and their ready made mix TropAmino it seems to be what you want.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks I'll take a look
Thanks I'll take a look
In reply to Post #1
Bacarel is a great company, top notch human grade ingredients for the milk proteins, and have many of the nutritional Amino Acid sheets available online already or by phone call/email.
Which is handy for us bait makers.
Bacarel is a great company, top notch human grade ingredients for the milk proteins, and have many of the nutritional Amino Acid sheets available online already or by phone call/email.
Which is handy for us bait makers.
In reply to Post #2
Does this contain enough milks would you say to be a high quality milk protein bait? What inclusion rate would be classed as high? 50 %
Does this contain enough milks would you say to be a high quality milk protein bait? What inclusion rate would be classed as high? 50 %
In reply to Post #5
No idea on milk protein levels, ask on the FB page someone there will know. In a fishmeal the milk protein is adding to the effectiveness of the fish meal, anything between 10 and 25% milks will be fine.
No idea on milk protein levels, ask on the FB page someone there will know. In a fishmeal the milk protein is adding to the effectiveness of the fish meal, anything between 10 and 25% milks will be fine.
In reply to Post #1
50% fishmeal, 25% CLO, 25% milks. Simple.
50% fishmeal, 25% CLO, 25% milks. Simple.
In reply to Post #2
All ordered thanks for the tip 😁
All ordered thanks for the tip 😁
In reply to Post #8
No worries, it's what the forum is all about.
No worries, it's what the forum is all about.
In reply to Post #5
It is 40% fishmeal, 15% milk proteins.
It is 40% fishmeal, 15% milk proteins.
In reply to Post #10
Do you know what the other 45% is?
Do you know what the other 45% is?
In reply to Post #6
I would guess around 15% which is enough to make a difference but also keep cost reasonable.
I would guess around 15% which is enough to make a difference but also keep cost reasonable.
In reply to Post #11
TropAmino HMBB Basemix is a top-quality blend of high end ingredients that include LT94 Fishmeal, genuine refined Milk Proteins such as Acid, Rennet & Whey Protein Concentrate (80%+ protein), CPSP 90 Pre-Digested Fishmeal, Brocacel Yeast, Spices and Betaine HCL.
No mention of the other 45% ingredients, but I would think the usual bulk/carb/birdfood/binding types that make a bait roll and boil up nicely.
TropAmino HMBB Basemix is a top-quality blend of high end ingredients that include LT94 Fishmeal, genuine refined Milk Proteins such as Acid, Rennet & Whey Protein Concentrate (80%+ protein), CPSP 90 Pre-Digested Fishmeal, Brocacel Yeast, Spices and Betaine HCL.
No mention of the other 45% ingredients, but I would think the usual bulk/carb/birdfood/binding types that make a bait roll and boil up nicely.
In reply to Post #13
OK, so the other 45% is:
20% CLO
10% semo
10% soya
5% brocacel
OK, so the other 45% is:
20% CLO
10% semo
10% soya
5% brocacel
In reply to Post #14
So I could add an additional amount of milks to make it even better or would that not work against the other ratios?
I've also bought some GLM to add to it
Also what milk from BAF would be best to add as I would add to my order
So I could add an additional amount of milks to make it even better or would that not work against the other ratios?
I've also bought some GLM to add to it
Also what milk from BAF would be best to add as I would add to my order
In reply to Post #15
Added some calcium caseinate to my order so will use additional additional 40gram per kilo to make up to 20% milks
Added some calcium caseinate to my order so will use additional additional 40gram per kilo to make up to 20% milks
In reply to Post #16
Hi all,
It's a bit late for you now Carp bandit, but for milk products, always check on My protein and Bulk powders before you order from anywhere else.
They are constantly offering discounts and sometimes as much as 40%+.
I recently bought 2-5 kgs of milk protein concentrate, now called milk concentrate powder 80% protein for about £10 a kg delivered from My protein and 2-5 kgs of hydrolysed whey protein isolate 90% protein for about £15 per kg delivered from Bulk powders.
Just compare those prices and protein contents with ingredients like GLM etc.
BB.
Hi all,
It's a bit late for you now Carp bandit, but for milk products, always check on My protein and Bulk powders before you order from anywhere else.
They are constantly offering discounts and sometimes as much as 40%+.
I recently bought 2-5 kgs of milk protein concentrate, now called milk concentrate powder 80% protein for about £10 a kg delivered from My protein and 2-5 kgs of hydrolysed whey protein isolate 90% protein for about £15 per kg delivered from Bulk powders.
Just compare those prices and protein contents with ingredients like GLM etc.
BB.
In reply to Post #15
If the mix is good already I wouldn't want to be adding to much. Put some of your own attractors in to it. But I wouldn't alter the already good mix to much.
It could already be at the peak solubility. Adding certain mills and Glm could make it break down to fast unless that's what your after of course.
If the mix is good already I wouldn't want to be adding to much. Put some of your own attractors in to it. But I wouldn't alter the already good mix to much.
It could already be at the peak solubility. Adding certain mills and Glm could make it break down to fast unless that's what your after of course.
In reply to Post #18
Fast breakdown is gd, I have dedicated hookbaits and will be spodding so no issue if it is soft.. I will just add a little extra milk I think.
I paid 14.99 for a kilo of calcium casienate
Fast breakdown is gd, I have dedicated hookbaits and will be spodding so no issue if it is soft.. I will just add a little extra milk I think.
I paid 14.99 for a kilo of calcium casienate
In reply to Post #19
Now you can understand how a hnv bait cannot be sold for 5 pound a kilo!
Now you can understand how a hnv bait cannot be sold for 5 pound a kilo!
In reply to Post #20
Haha no I've been adding this all up and I was really thinking last night, maybe I should have just bought some hnv pro lol.. it was a close call as I have wanted to try that bait..not to mention I've bought a cheap rolling table and mixer.. cost keeps adding up
I've always wanted to do this tho as you all know I'm a bit obsessed with bait
I think the ingredients I've bought now equal what it would cost to have bought hnv pro.. it's another angle on it though where I can do fishing 'stuff' when I cant get to the lake
Haha no I've been adding this all up and I was really thinking last night, maybe I should have just bought some hnv pro lol.. it was a close call as I have wanted to try that bait..not to mention I've bought a cheap rolling table and mixer.. cost keeps adding up
I've always wanted to do this tho as you all know I'm a bit obsessed with bait
I think the ingredients I've bought now equal what it would cost to have bought hnv pro.. it's another angle on it though where I can do fishing 'stuff' when I cant get to the lake
In reply to Post #21
Matt it is great to have a go at rolling your own, as you will be able to see how certain elements change baits and give you an idea of texture etc. Plus you can make something unique! Everyone should have a go at rolling
Matt it is great to have a go at rolling your own, as you will be able to see how certain elements change baits and give you an idea of texture etc. Plus you can make something unique! Everyone should have a go at rolling
In reply to Post #22
Enjoy it Carpbandit.
And with bait ingredient use & rolling experience you will be able to tell a good bait from a p*ss poor one.
You may in time decide to buy something ready rolled, or stay making your own
Enjoy it Carpbandit.
And with bait ingredient use & rolling experience you will be able to tell a good bait from a p*ss poor one.
You may in time decide to buy something ready rolled, or stay making your own
In reply to Post #23
Thanks guys for your help, I'll see how I get on with it just picked up a mixer this morning for a bargain! Cant wait to get started..
Thanks guys for your help, I'll see how I get on with it just picked up a mixer this morning for a bargain! Cant wait to get started..
In reply to Post #24
If there's one thing I can help that the lads told me it's oil. Use plenty at least 3ml per egg of the mix isn't oily enough. Makes life so much easier
If there's one thing I can help that the lads told me it's oil. Use plenty at least 3ml per egg of the mix isn't oily enough. Makes life so much easier
In reply to Post #25
Made 2kilo and hookbaits worked really well.. was getting better at rolling by the end but most ended as barrels lol mix is perfect not too hard not too soft.. tried a bit and it tastes very strong.. strong fishy strong milky strong GLM.. hopefully the dish like it 😁 .. currently doing 3 nights 1st night blank but it looks perfect tonight... got a spot going with the bait and homemade hookbaits. The 3rd is banged out 42.5wraps (170yrds) with a ub baits 14.mm pink plum n squid corkball
Made 2kilo and hookbaits worked really well.. was getting better at rolling by the end but most ended as barrels lol mix is perfect not too hard not too soft.. tried a bit and it tastes very strong.. strong fishy strong milky strong GLM.. hopefully the dish like it 😁 .. currently doing 3 nights 1st night blank but it looks perfect tonight... got a spot going with the bait and homemade hookbaits. The 3rd is banged out 42.5wraps (170yrds) with a ub baits 14.mm pink plum n squid corkball
In reply to Post #26
Brilliant news , all the best with the bait and the fishing
Brilliant news , all the best with the bait and the fishing
In reply to Post #27
Thanks mate.. fingers crossed
was my Bday yesterday so would be a nice bday present to get one.
Thanks mate.. fingers crossed
was my Bday yesterday so would be a nice bday present to get one.
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