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In reply to Post #49
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In reply to Post #22
That's simply not true as anyone that takes regular oxygen readings will tell you. I've spoken at length with officers from the EA with regards d.o. levels and they pretty much always expect levels to be higher at the windward bank.
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In reply to Post #46
I have mentioned this before from Nazeing, Digit kept to one end of the lake, Sams fish the other, they were the lakes biggest 30's, and 'dominated' their own territory.
Other fish, including 30's, would go into either territory, while others would stick to one end or the other.
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In reply to Post #32
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In reply to Post #45
I think order of dominance accounts for our perceived personality in fish.
If the more dominant fish protect an area of food or sanctuary at a certain time, less dominant ones will have to settle for second best.
The more dominant fish are not necessarily the largest either.
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In reply to Post #44
Wild creatures do not have "wants" - they only have needs, and only 3 of those - security - food - reproduction.
Assume we include warmth/oxygen with security?
Ok I agree its anthropomorphism on my part lol.
I have known individual fish that show clear preferences for certain areas that others do not. I'd expect most anglers with experience of chasing individual fish have seen this. Coupled with the individual traits of said fish I always kinda related this to a "personality" of sorts - but when I consider the security aspect - it does explain it.
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In reply to Post #41
Wild creatures do not have "wants" - they only have needs, and only 3 of those - security - food - reproduction.
I would speculate in that order of importance too.
They will be where the current priority dictates they will be.
Any talk of "wants" is a pointless anthropomorphic judgement.
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A DO meter is an important item in my tackle bag...I take its findings as a matter of fact. If they are not after food or oxygen then I am buggered if I know what they are there for. Still, JiT is clearly very knowledgeable...I like the traps he sets! 
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In reply to Post #1
In winter I rarely rely on wind at all.
The fish will often have moved into 'winter quarters', that is areas which they prefer to stay during the cooler months from October or November until March, and any wind will rarely move them from those spots.
Saying that, there are times when other factors influence them. A spate of floodwater, heavy rain and non-freezing temperatures may keep them moving about a bit.
A few years ago in January I ended up fishing into a northerly as the carp had moved due to an influx of mel****er moving them from their usual winter haunt to an area where the flow was less. Three 20's and a high double over 4nights meant I had got it right (for a change).
One lake I used to fish, shaped lake a capital E, the carp would stay in the middle arm all winter, nearest to the snags.
Yet another lake I could only catch fish from January to March in a particular silty area of the lake, no matter what the weather.
Certain swims can hold the majority of the carp in the water.
Best bet is take a slow lap, looking for signs, bird watching, tufties and coots can be handy indicators of fish. A coot suddenly surfacing with a 'squawk' and guilty look 😖😆 could have been spooked by a carp.
Tufties can often feed on the same spots as carp, but be aware, they can just be clearing leftover bait.
You may not spot anything, but it is always worthwhile going on history, especially if you can keep in touch or know the water well.
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In reply to Post #39
Biology and physics dont account for what carp "want" to do. Just what they need. I might be hungry I.e. need food but go to the pub instead because it's more fun. Fish are living creatures and are stimulated by things other than what they need imo.
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It can’t just be temperature related. In august when water temps are very high, why would they move to get even warmer. In the shallows they must nearly boil in August.
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In reply to Post #36
To misquote Joe Pesci, perhaps the principles of biology and physics just don't apply to your garden pond...
I've made my points based upon biology and physics. I haven't got the time for the Worrif Brigade.
If you really want to understand water, talk to a fish farmer or read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Water-Schauberger-Secrets-Natural/dp/0717133907
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In reply to Post #36
No trick question at all, a genuine one, I thought your answer would have mirrored mine but with a different reason.
You seem to be contradicting yourself with regards oxygen in some of your posts, I feel there is more to it than warmer water, I'll leave it there and wish you all the best.
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In reply to Post #35
It was a trick question. I thought you were being polite...
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In reply to Post #32
I fished in the scenario I posted about and the fish quickly got on the wind & feed, I was always under the impression it was due to quite a few factors, temperatures, oxygen, food pushed in, possible coloured water, etc.
The above hasn't happened just once either.
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In reply to Post #30
Can you explain the following.
If I allow the plants in my pond to grow to excess they then use too much oxygen overnight.
On a summer morning the carp would then gasp because of a low oxygen level.
As the sun comes up and photosynthesis starts to replenish the oxygen, the fish are happy again. The oxygen level has gone up even though the water temperature rises and as we agree the water cannot hold so much oxygen at a higher temperature.
Using your theory, air pressure would replenish oxygen overnight and keep the O2 level at or near the 100% saturation point so the fish would not have the described problem
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Pressure is a very big influence on this for me and I’m on about angling pressure, not air pressure.
A large pit with decent water temperatures with a new strong wind and low angling pressure the carp will not be far off it in my experiences. I’ve fished a few over the years and the number one thing I used to do was watch the weather and predominantly the expected changes in wind direction. I used to go and bait those banks a couple of days before I used to fish and it’s worked for me on a few occasions when I have been struggling elsewhere.
I have fished some pressured waters and applied the same principles and what I did come to realise on some, I mainly used to catch the smaller fish 
I seriously think that you need to understand every water and the fish habits in it. Carp are not what they once were for me in some waters, the old patterns and expectations etc. You start with pressured fish and they can be unpredictable for me, but that can be carp in general some days 
All part of the challenge and what keeps us going I guess 
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In reply to Post #31
Under the scenario you lay out the fish would have gone beyond their optimum feeding range and be presenting symptoms of stress due to low oxygen directly related to high temperatures. Why then would they then want to start to feed and head to even warmer area of the lake with even less O2?
So no, that's not what Im saying.
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In reply to Post #28
Out of interest if we see very high summer temperatures with high water temperatures and the carp are sitting gasping are you suggesting that when a new wind springs up the carp head on down to the windward end for even warmer & less oxygenated water?
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In reply to Post #29
Air pressure is around 15lbs per square inch. Oxygen is replenished as quickly as it is used up and conversely is blown off almost as quickly.
A friend once described the country being full of barn owls. This obviously didnt mean they were everywhere, it meant that there were as many as the available environment could hold. The same relationship exists with water and O2. Water is, for the purpose of this thread, saturated with O2 most of the time. For the purpose of this thread, it holds less o2 at higher temperatures than it does at lower temperatures, with it holding the most o2 at 4oC.
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In reply to Post #24
Dissolved oxygen would be lower than its maximum saturation point at a given temperature.
Animal life in the lake use oxygen day or night, plants also take it in at night (respiration) so at the end of the night the oxygen levels would be depleted to some extent.
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In reply to Post #27
Carp locate to the downwind end of a lake not for oxygen or displaced inverts, but for increased temperatures.
I can prove this.
As a new wind springs up in the summer the warmer surface layer is pushed towards the downwind end, where is accumulates throughout the entire water column to the bed. We all know to be on the end of a new warm wind because the fish are there and feeding. As the warmer surface layer is soon replaced by cooler layers and this is pushed to the downwind bank the warming effect diminishes and the fish move off. THAT'S why you need to drop everything and be waiting for them when a band new SW fires up, especially on weed free large lakes and gravel pits.
They aint there for O2, in fact there is less O2, they are there because it is warmer.
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If the carp have followed the wind the past week, then the best place to look for them would be in the Baltic Sea near the shores of Finland.
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In reply to Post #25
Have found fish follow wind in about 13c or above. But that could be to do with water temp as well, 13c day in jan, will be different in March in regards to daylight and the effect that has on rising water temps.
But March , 13c+ I'd get on it - if its a water that they generally follow the wind on.
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In reply to Post #22
I don’t get this statement at all.
I’ve seen reports from an Aquatic Scientist showing levels less that 100% oxygen saturation on more than one water and I don’t believe these were extremely unusual circumstances.
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In reply to Post #23
Lower...than what?
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In reply to Post #22
I wouldn’t call morning on a weedy lake unusual. Oxygen would be lower then
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In reply to Post #21
Nope. In all but extremely unusual circumstances water is 100% saturated all of the time. It can hold just 2mm and be OK for tench or just 20pmm and be OK for trout.
Carp fishing doesnt have its own laws of physics.
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In reply to Post #17
Hi Justin T
That theory would work if the lower water was 100% saturated with dissolved oxygen but that’s highly unlikely.
Carp can tolerate low oxygen as we know but also enjoy higher levels. Nothing is set in stone with them but it’s just another piece in the puzzle.
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In reply to Post #19
Its simple physics. No need to 'muddy the waters'. They aint there for O2 that's for sure.
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In reply to Post #18
6 and two 3's imo mate, oxygen absorption takes place on the surface as it's agitated by winds so you'd think that would offset (to a degree) any low O2 content caused by water temps.
I have no doubt O2 plays some part in the phenomenon of carp following winds. They have to face any undertow to get the gills working effectively. But I don't think the wind (or the food) are the only reasons.
I don't think we need a reason tbh. Let's face it we've all seen exceptions to every rule. They're animals with a mind of their own. On the best waters I've fished they break the rules all the time. Keeps it interesting.
It can and does pay to observe every aspect of the conditions, but I'd still not set up in a swim based solely on that.
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In reply to Post #16
Been blowing SW for ages now I would be looking on the back of it or even somewhere along the middle. lake dependent really for me, small and weedy the wind makes no difference imo the weed acts like underwater walls slowing the tow. I think summer yes get on it for the first 24 hours then start to move back off it almost following the undertow as it builds as that's where the naturals get dragged after the initial "stir up". winter though, cant get my head around why they would get on and stay on a big cold wind, I know they sometimes do but for them to stay on a big wind with big undertow they have to use energy as the water has movement, kind of like fish in a river ect but not quite on the same level. 
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In reply to Post #16
The warmer surface layer is pushed to the downfind end and this water will hold less O2. The water will be saturated in O2 but simply hold less PPM due to its higher temperature. So, they cannot be fulfilling any O2 need by following summer winds.
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In reply to Post #15
Really?
Yes, that and to feed in the disturbed water on stirred up food items. 
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In reply to Post #14
Im interested to read you feel carp move on big winds in the summer to fulfill an oxygen need? Really?
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In reply to Post #1
This time of year even a south westerly is cold so I like to start on the back of the wind but as mentioned on here all the rules can be torn up at times .
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In reply to Post #10
Remove one "/" from the end of the link, Ken. Then it works
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Check on the wind and off the wind. Carp don’t follow a rule book
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In reply to Post #8
Good luck
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In reply to Post #7
Thanks for the replies guys. Did two laps and saw nothing so have settled for a swim at the back of the wind at the shallow end of the lake where theres a few deep holes. Suns out and warming up nicely so hopefully they'll put in an appearance at some point today.
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In reply to Post #6
Good call - on a few waters I've fished, if you can find the new weed growth in spring before anyone else does, you've pretty much nailed it.
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In reply to Post #5
I would add weed into the mix as well. On one of my waters they do move about, for instance in winter they tend to migrate every year to one bay that’s on the bank that gets the most sunshine and the south westerly winds. Once the water temps come up then they are dispersed all over the lake, until the weed comes up. Then they just sit in the weed beds and it doesn’t matter what way the wind is blowing, they ain’t going nowhere. They’ve got food and shelter and safety in one place. You can see them with their backs out of the water for weeks on end.
I think the same thing happens on pits with lots of small dot islands. They might move around the islands a bit when the wind changes but they don’t motor from one end to the other, unlike a small club farm res I used to fish years ago that was a joke, it wasn’t more than 2 acres and the whole population would up sticks and leave on the slightest breeze, but there was a lot of fish and a lot of competition for food.
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In reply to Post #1
The end of the wind is nothing more than a place to start looking for carp imo. I think most guys pay far too much attention to the winds. On big waters the wind tends to have a bigger influence on the whereabouts of the fish. Less so on waters less than 30 or 40 acres in my experience. Every water is unique so there's numerous exceptions to any rule but on smaller waters I tend to find depths (hence temps) are far more important than winds.
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In reply to Post #3
on the wind but off the wind
good old Terry 
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Even a general answer is impossible to give mate. Carp don’t read the same books and articles we do and many a time I have been on the end of a pumping S/W rubbing my hands together for them never to turn up. And sometimes found them on a freezing easterly. The only rules I follow is to fish where I have seen fish regardless of conditions. If I don’t see any I will then revert back to past knowledge or pick an area that commands a lot of water and a good view of the lake. At this time of year night times seem to be far more active than daytime in regards of showing fish but i realise not everyone wants to stay up during the small hours but it can be a massive edge. On my lake it’s 20 odd acres and I often find them on the wind but off the wind of that makes sense. Somewhere the wind is pushing down but an area of calm water just off it. I don’t know if it will be the same for your lake just something I have noticed. Have a good un. R
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In reply to Post #1
Be on the end of a brand new warm wind after a period of stale weather and you can have the entire population of the lake in front of you feeding...for a short while. I wouldn't follow a wind in February for love nor money and certainly not for carp.
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Now I know theres lots of variables so I'm.after a general answer.... Getting out tomorrow after the wind has been blowing a south/south westerly for three days now. Becoming more of a westerly tomorrow but dropping in temp to 2/3'c at night. With it being colder and a wind thats 4 days old am I right in thinking I'm best off on the back off it? Yes,,, I will do a lap before daylight but with the wind I dont think I'll hear a great deal. Your thoughts please.
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