Even though we can't go yet it will return.
What better time to buy the odd bits we need and at the same time make sure our tackle shops stay in business.
I for one have decided to buy British where possible even if it is more expensive. The Chinese won't get my money 💰 until they financially help the world recover from this virus 🦠
What better time to buy the odd bits we need and at the same time make sure our tackle shops stay in business.
I for one have decided to buy British where possible even if it is more expensive. The Chinese won't get my money 💰 until they financially help the world recover from this virus 🦠
In reply to Post #1
Nearly everything you buy will have some link with China
Nearly everything you buy will have some link with China
In reply to Post #1
It seems everybody and their dog is in the same mind set.
I've always tried to buy British, if British not possible, American or Norwegian.
Berkley, Mustad, Partridge, ESP etc.....
What I want to see are British made Bivvy and Brollies again
Any company who did manufacture in the UK and produced a simple, reliable product in a no bull S### manner, have it on a plate!
It seems everybody and their dog is in the same mind set.
I've always tried to buy British, if British not possible, American or Norwegian.
Berkley, Mustad, Partridge, ESP etc.....
What I want to see are British made Bivvy and Brollies again
Any company who did manufacture in the UK and produced a simple, reliable product in a no bull S### manner, have it on a plate!
In reply to Post #3
As that's unlikely to materialise, maybe you should pull your finger out and make something happen
As that's unlikely to materialise, maybe you should pull your finger out and make something happen
In reply to Post #1
Does this mean you will be selling most of your kit including the imported bait boat you are always promoting?
It would be impossible to kit yourself out with an entirely UK manufactured, including the materials, carp set up. As said in another thread we don't seem to manufacture anything here except for high end niche market goods.
Does this mean you will be selling most of your kit including the imported bait boat you are always promoting?
It would be impossible to kit yourself out with an entirely UK manufactured, including the materials, carp set up. As said in another thread we don't seem to manufacture anything here except for high end niche market goods.
In reply to Post #1
You can't totally avoid buying Chinese just do it if you can
You can't totally avoid buying Chinese just do it if you can
Where possible i buy British such as -
Delkim alarms
Defiant MPS metal ware and indicators
Harrison Rods
Ex British Army Bergen's and sleeping bags ( although not sure where they are made ). Trangia stove from Sweden.
Apart from that USA Berkley & Power Pro line, then everything else probably Far East?
Delkim alarms
Defiant MPS metal ware and indicators
Harrison Rods
Ex British Army Bergen's and sleeping bags ( although not sure where they are made ). Trangia stove from Sweden.
Apart from that USA Berkley & Power Pro line, then everything else probably Far East?
In reply to Post #7
Good shout buy British where ever possible stuff the Chinese they where bragging today that they are clear of the virus just the rest of the world to sort out now come on Chris manifold start a new company
Good shout buy British where ever possible stuff the Chinese they where bragging today that they are clear of the virus just the rest of the world to sort out now come on Chris manifold start a new company
Nash will go bust .
In reply to Post #9
And aqua, trakker, cyprinus etc.
And aqua, trakker, cyprinus etc.
In reply to Post #9
Or like any business if they see a trend then perhaps they'll move to in house like the good old days.
seriously though this countries economy is on its feet anyway before the Chinese virus..... we need to rebuild everything and with Brexit too.....
Know it's hard when the market is flooded with tat from China but if we keep buying it we won't ever get to where we should be...
Or like any business if they see a trend then perhaps they'll move to in house like the good old days.
seriously though this countries economy is on its feet anyway before the Chinese virus..... we need to rebuild everything and with Brexit too.....
Know it's hard when the market is flooded with tat from China but if we keep buying it we won't ever get to where we should be...
In reply to Post #11
OK let's take a brief look at some mentioned so far.
Berkley owned by a asset management company with global manufacture.
Mustad bought Partridge and have the largest hook manufactureing factory in the world but its in China.
Esp, not sure but thought their main manufacturing was in Malaysia?
Delkim made in UK? Or assembled from imported parts?
Harrison, made from imported carbon cloth and resins, built in the main from imported components.
Century as above.
Which good old days would they be? We have always been good innovative designers but never great at mass production. The Japanese had to come here and show us how to do that.
OK let's take a brief look at some mentioned so far.
Berkley owned by a asset management company with global manufacture.
Mustad bought Partridge and have the largest hook manufactureing factory in the world but its in China.
Esp, not sure but thought their main manufacturing was in Malaysia?
Delkim made in UK? Or assembled from imported parts?
Harrison, made from imported carbon cloth and resins, built in the main from imported components.
Century as above.
Which good old days would they be? We have always been good innovative designers but never great at mass production. The Japanese had to come here and show us how to do that.
In reply to Post #12
Spot on
Spot on
In reply to Post #1
Hi Spencer,
You've really confused me with this one, most tackle shops whether in the UK or Europe sell stuff manufactured in China because they get the best margins on it as do most of the tackle companies.
Maybe supporting UK manufacturers products? As opposed to the tackle shops??????
Or have I completely missed the point on this one?
Best
Jon
Hi Spencer,
You've really confused me with this one, most tackle shops whether in the UK or Europe sell stuff manufactured in China because they get the best margins on it as do most of the tackle companies.
Maybe supporting UK manufacturers products? As opposed to the tackle shops??????
Or have I completely missed the point on this one?
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #14
A lot of people cant afford to buy british
A lot of people cant afford to buy british
In reply to Post #12
Don't have a problem with the Japanese or Malaysia
China is the problem!!!
The world is clearly interlinked so nobody is suggesting we don't get anything made in China at all as it's clearly impossible. But to try and avoid where we can
Perhaps we should all just accept it, provide counter arguments and just carry on but that's up to the individuals
Don't have a problem with the Japanese or Malaysia
China is the problem!!!
The world is clearly interlinked so nobody is suggesting we don't get anything made in China at all as it's clearly impossible. But to try and avoid where we can
Perhaps we should all just accept it, provide counter arguments and just carry on but that's up to the individuals
In reply to Post #14
Ok perhaps the title should be different too....I think my point is quite clear really sorry for confusing anyone
😂😂🤣
I am saying support our tackle shops no.1
And no. 2 try and buy GB if we can
Is that better??? 😉
Ok perhaps the title should be different too....I think my point is quite clear really sorry for confusing anyone
😂😂🤣
I am saying support our tackle shops no.1
And no. 2 try and buy GB if we can
Is that better??? 😉
In reply to Post #16
I'm with you on it,I'm going do my best to buy UK products.Im not even going have a Chinese takeaway anymore
I'm with you on it,I'm going do my best to buy UK products.Im not even going have a Chinese takeaway anymore
In reply to Post #18
You know those takeaways don't actually come from China
Problem is it's the people in charge calling the shots, if the world boycotts Chinese product the suffering of the unemployed workers will be horrific because there's f-all prospects for them outside of factory work.
The regime needs punishing, not the people.
You know those takeaways don't actually come from China
Problem is it's the people in charge calling the shots, if the world boycotts Chinese product the suffering of the unemployed workers will be horrific because there's f-all prospects for them outside of factory work.
The regime needs punishing, not the people.
In reply to Post #19
Yes you are 100% right Noj........
But being a communist state it's always the workers that suffer.
Yes you are 100% right Noj........
But being a communist state it's always the workers that suffer.
In reply to Post #18
👍👍👍
👍👍👍
In reply to Post #19
You clearly have never waited for a takeaway from where my lady orders.It could possibly be from China
You clearly have never waited for a takeaway from where my lady orders.It could possibly be from China
In reply to Post #16
Funny thing is I was trying to tell people on here a long time ago that we should stop buying from the likes of aqua, trakker or any other UK based company that had built its reputation here and moved production to China putting their UK workforce out of work but people were saying they will buy from whoever gives the best price. Its in our nature to buy the cheaper option and in many cases people can't afford the UK made alternative although now there often isn't one. Anyway the venture capitalists that own many big companies will go to the cheapest place of manufacture, making China the richest most powerful nation on earth.
Funny thing is I was trying to tell people on here a long time ago that we should stop buying from the likes of aqua, trakker or any other UK based company that had built its reputation here and moved production to China putting their UK workforce out of work but people were saying they will buy from whoever gives the best price. Its in our nature to buy the cheaper option and in many cases people can't afford the UK made alternative although now there often isn't one. Anyway the venture capitalists that own many big companies will go to the cheapest place of manufacture, making China the richest most powerful nation on earth.
In reply to Post #12
Where does your history start? 2nd largest car manufacturing country in the world up til the mid 50's. Motorcycles right up their. Locomotives, jet engines, ships etc. We've always been a quality manufacturing country of all things. Takes a long term investment approach, which is the real problem in this country-get rich quick.
Where does your history start? 2nd largest car manufacturing country in the world up til the mid 50's. Motorcycles right up their. Locomotives, jet engines, ships etc. We've always been a quality manufacturing country of all things. Takes a long term investment approach, which is the real problem in this country-get rich quick.
In reply to Post #24
Until the car became affordable globally, same with motorcycles then the Japanese wiped the floor with us in a very short space of time. The likes of Norton, triumph, bsa etc never manufactured on the scale of the likes of Honda.
As said previously, we are/were innovative high end niche market world leaders, rolls Royce Inc jet engines, Bentley, Aston Martin ect UK owned?
Until the car became affordable globally, same with motorcycles then the Japanese wiped the floor with us in a very short space of time. The likes of Norton, triumph, bsa etc never manufactured on the scale of the likes of Honda.
As said previously, we are/were innovative high end niche market world leaders, rolls Royce Inc jet engines, Bentley, Aston Martin ect UK owned?
cant really bring the Chinese into the car manufacturing side of it all..they are **** at that.all they do is knock out snide looking things..
In reply to Post #25
They were bigger than the Jap manufacturing companies. Like I said, lack of investment in new designs, technologies and manufacturing equipment did for them as the Japanese were prepared to invest in their manufacturing.
Pity the COVID-19 cure can't be made in 18mm with krill in it. We seem to be able to manufacture that high end niche product successfully
They were bigger than the Jap manufacturing companies. Like I said, lack of investment in new designs, technologies and manufacturing equipment did for them as the Japanese were prepared to invest in their manufacturing.
Pity the COVID-19 cure can't be made in 18mm with krill in it. We seem to be able to manufacture that high end niche product successfully
I say we shoot 10,000 a day. That's about the equivalent of about 10 in this country 
I certainly hope they go “pop” soon. They have devastated manufacturing in this country and most the world I guess. I've witnessed this in Automotive and chemical industries so far first hand and that's by paying the people peanuts and undercutting everybody else to the point unless you are making something they currently are not it is extremely difficult for a business to compete. Let's not forget shipping it half way round the world too, carbon footprint etc...
The next people you need to stop are the UK Companies Suppliers or middle men shall we call them because they are manufacturing **** all, because all they are doing is buying this mass produced cheap ****, sticking a fancy label on it and selling it onto anglers for a serious and extortionate premium
And Ocelot, I tend to disagree with that, leading the way in technology, they just get hold of it, rapid prototype it and make it, they even make Range Rover and BMW copies and they can't touch them, not to mention one of Lockheads latest fighter planes, where do they get that from then..!
While ever we are accepting it we simply don't have a chance, that's the true reality, ****s
I certainly hope they go “pop” soon. They have devastated manufacturing in this country and most the world I guess. I've witnessed this in Automotive and chemical industries so far first hand and that's by paying the people peanuts and undercutting everybody else to the point unless you are making something they currently are not it is extremely difficult for a business to compete. Let's not forget shipping it half way round the world too, carbon footprint etc...
The next people you need to stop are the UK Companies Suppliers or middle men shall we call them because they are manufacturing **** all, because all they are doing is buying this mass produced cheap ****, sticking a fancy label on it and selling it onto anglers for a serious and extortionate premium
And Ocelot, I tend to disagree with that, leading the way in technology, they just get hold of it, rapid prototype it and make it, they even make Range Rover and BMW copies and they can't touch them, not to mention one of Lockheads latest fighter planes, where do they get that from then..!
While ever we are accepting it we simply don't have a chance, that's the true reality, ****s
In reply to Post #28
I know they do they're built on counterfeiting goods. Stealing design's and having stringent investment rules loaded in their favour. I'm no fan of Trump but he's taking them on and rightly so. Not sure where you've seen me post otherwise about the Chinese mate.
I know they do they're built on counterfeiting goods. Stealing design's and having stringent investment rules loaded in their favour. I'm no fan of Trump but he's taking them on and rightly so. Not sure where you've seen me post otherwise about the Chinese mate.
In reply to Post #22
🤣🤣 Braders. That made me laugh
🤣🤣 Braders. That made me laugh
In reply to Post #27
What did for them was the Left Wing *****'s that had them out on strike every other day, not to mention the poor quality and the fact that the lazy British worker produces less per hour than many many other countries.
What did for them was the Left Wing *****'s that had them out on strike every other day, not to mention the poor quality and the fact that the lazy British worker produces less per hour than many many other countries.
In reply to Post #30
There are a lot of conspiracy theories that suggest this virus coming very shortly after trump put his foot down is not a coincidence
There are a lot of conspiracy theories that suggest this virus coming very shortly after trump put his foot down is not a coincidence
In reply to Post #32
I have said it all along
I have said it all along
In reply to Post #29
Not sure mate. Echo that about Trump, though, somebody needs to take them on
Not sure mate. Echo that about Trump, though, somebody needs to take them on
In reply to Post #31
Nail on head.
Nail on head.
In reply to Post #32
Wouldn't they have spread the start of the virus in America?
Wouldn't they have spread the start of the virus in America?
Is this another thread destined for the non-carp section? Certainly not about tackle anymore 
In reply to Post #36
Too obvious.Anyway back on track,I will definitely try my best to buy anything but Chinese products obviously its going to be difficult as most things will have some link with China in some way shape or form.
Too obvious.Anyway back on track,I will definitely try my best to buy anything but Chinese products obviously its going to be difficult as most things will have some link with China in some way shape or form.
In reply to Post #38
Too Obvious! So infecting virtually the whole world to get at one country is the way to do it
It's difficult to get this thread back on track as it's already been covered here
Manufactured anywhere but China?
but here goes, to echo Braders
I will definitely try my best to buy anything but Chinese products obviously its going to be difficult as most things will have some link with China in some way shape or form.
Too Obvious! So infecting virtually the whole world to get at one country is the way to do it
It's difficult to get this thread back on track as it's already been covered here
Manufactured anywhere but China?
but here goes, to echo Braders
I will definitely try my best to buy anything but Chinese products obviously its going to be difficult as most things will have some link with China in some way shape or form.
Hang on so you all believe that China did this on purpose and as some form of punishment people should not buy Chinese products? When does the boycott stop? Same length as the boycott of German products because of the Nazis? Same boycott of the Americans over chemical warfare in Vietnam?
Funnily enough China have been sending aid to everywhere but the UK and America by the looks of it. Italy, Spain, Iran, etc. All have Chinese aid...
Maybe the NHS should stop importing all their PPE from China from now too?
Do agree that half of it is sub-standard stuff and very hit and miss on quality.
Funnily enough China have been sending aid to everywhere but the UK and America by the looks of it. Italy, Spain, Iran, etc. All have Chinese aid...
Maybe the NHS should stop importing all their PPE from China from now too?
Do agree that half of it is sub-standard stuff and very hit and miss on quality.
Maybe if people (carp anglers being no exception) didn't replace the crap they bought every 5 minutes we wouldn't need the man power of a population 1.3 billion bigger than ours to make it all.
I don't remember many people that weren't tonguing the ringer of cyprinus and the other importers a few months back.. people were even ordering stuff before it touched our soil, let alone seen it.
I don't remember many people that weren't tonguing the ringer of cyprinus and the other importers a few months back.. people were even ordering stuff before it touched our soil, let alone seen it.
In reply to Post #41
Right about Cypri, same as Aqua and most of the rest, Chinese 🇨🇳
While ever they are exploiting their people, and that's what they are doing, they will never stop under cutting businesses. Couple this with our western lifestyle where everybody wants to own a house and earn 30k a year to suit our flash lifestyles British manufacturing has not got a chance
A company where I used to work employed 8 Chinese workers for the cost of one British worker. Now tell me we have a chance!
Couple this with them buying up most of the worlds natural resources in Africa, Australia, all over the world etc they have virtually monopolised the world. If there is ever a time to back an idiot like Trump this is it because otherwise they will rule the world
And as for support your local tackle shop, that will be Angling Direct will it. The same company who has monopolised the U.K. fishing shop market and bought most of the major competition out and will continue to do so. Wait while they have it all in their pocket and we a paying an absolute premium for Chinese crap!
They will also dictate who is selling tackle in the U.K. soon and who they are dealing with, think about it, if your not dealing with them your probably not at the races, or won't be moving forward
The day commercialism killed carp fishing as we know it, and thats down to all these greedy ****s milking the pastime and it's participants
Right about Cypri, same as Aqua and most of the rest, Chinese 🇨🇳
While ever they are exploiting their people, and that's what they are doing, they will never stop under cutting businesses. Couple this with our western lifestyle where everybody wants to own a house and earn 30k a year to suit our flash lifestyles British manufacturing has not got a chance
A company where I used to work employed 8 Chinese workers for the cost of one British worker. Now tell me we have a chance!
Couple this with them buying up most of the worlds natural resources in Africa, Australia, all over the world etc they have virtually monopolised the world. If there is ever a time to back an idiot like Trump this is it because otherwise they will rule the world
And as for support your local tackle shop, that will be Angling Direct will it. The same company who has monopolised the U.K. fishing shop market and bought most of the major competition out and will continue to do so. Wait while they have it all in their pocket and we a paying an absolute premium for Chinese crap!
They will also dictate who is selling tackle in the U.K. soon and who they are dealing with, think about it, if your not dealing with them your probably not at the races, or won't be moving forward
The day commercialism killed carp fishing as we know it, and thats down to all these greedy ****s milking the pastime and it's participants
But it's not just the fishing community who have had enough it seems, my neighbour is into his enduro bikes, he was saying last night “F### the el-cheapo parts option, if it needs any parts from now one it has to be genuine KTM”
What's really peed everyone off (Inc me) is the swine's knew about the Corona virus many weeks before, but instead of putting the welfare of the world population first they put their own greed first - shut nothing down, did not stop travel, arrested the doctor who tried to warn the rest of the world – the Chinese hierarchy showed it's true colours!
I have always tried to avoid buying Chinese, sadly with some products there is no other option.
Barrows, Bed chairs, Bivvys, Brollies being the main ones were there is no option (But there used to be)
Sleeping bags, Reels, Line, Braid, Rods, Hooks, Metal ware, Alarms - all none Chinese options available (Hope it stays that way)
# where raw materials come from to make a finished product has always been the same – nobody can do anything about that one.
E.g. Yorkshire Tea, I've yet to see any tea plantations in the Yorkshire dales: Raw Tea leaves come from various locations were tea actually grows, then it's blended by experts in the UK
What's really peed everyone off (Inc me) is the swine's knew about the Corona virus many weeks before, but instead of putting the welfare of the world population first they put their own greed first - shut nothing down, did not stop travel, arrested the doctor who tried to warn the rest of the world – the Chinese hierarchy showed it's true colours!
I have always tried to avoid buying Chinese, sadly with some products there is no other option.
Barrows, Bed chairs, Bivvys, Brollies being the main ones were there is no option (But there used to be)
Sleeping bags, Reels, Line, Braid, Rods, Hooks, Metal ware, Alarms - all none Chinese options available (Hope it stays that way)
# where raw materials come from to make a finished product has always been the same – nobody can do anything about that one.
E.g. Yorkshire Tea, I've yet to see any tea plantations in the Yorkshire dales: Raw Tea leaves come from various locations were tea actually grows, then it's blended by experts in the UK
In reply to Post #40
Chinese supplied PPE right?
Clearly of the same quality as a lot of their tat:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-01/coronavirus-chinese-ppe-border-force-intercepted/12085908
But bought out most of the host nations supplies:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/revealed-china-stockpiled-2-billion-face-masks-and-25m-medical-items/news-story/5304e5a5080bd4087e4a9be9de210b97
How benevolent. It's impossible to impose a total boycott as the components in our devices are made there even if the product itself isn't.
The Chinese have been steadily influencing and buying up large swathes of nations for some time, this could get real.
But as long as consumerism at the right price is rife nothing will change. Perhaps Partridge can step up to the mark and provide the hooks we want to use and perhaps other brands will encourage that by stocking them. A little less profit orientation goes a long way. Money's nothing if you're not around to use it.
A country that treats its animals so appallingly deserves condemnation for that alone. A trade blockade might hurt them a little but that depends on how much the West depends on Chinese supply, it might turn around and bite us on the arse.
Chinese supplied PPE right?
Clearly of the same quality as a lot of their tat:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-01/coronavirus-chinese-ppe-border-force-intercepted/12085908
But bought out most of the host nations supplies:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/revealed-china-stockpiled-2-billion-face-masks-and-25m-medical-items/news-story/5304e5a5080bd4087e4a9be9de210b97
How benevolent. It's impossible to impose a total boycott as the components in our devices are made there even if the product itself isn't.
The Chinese have been steadily influencing and buying up large swathes of nations for some time, this could get real.
But as long as consumerism at the right price is rife nothing will change. Perhaps Partridge can step up to the mark and provide the hooks we want to use and perhaps other brands will encourage that by stocking them. A little less profit orientation goes a long way. Money's nothing if you're not around to use it.
A country that treats its animals so appallingly deserves condemnation for that alone. A trade blockade might hurt them a little but that depends on how much the West depends on Chinese supply, it might turn around and bite us on the arse.
In reply to Post #44
The Aussies are big on Australian made food and product, but are as flooded with Chinese imports as us.
This is also a nation with a high percentage of folk with short memories who claim the rights to vast stores of natural resources and insist that they as ‘Australians‘ have problems in their country caused only by indigenous people and immigrants
The Aussies are big on Australian made food and product, but are as flooded with Chinese imports as us.
This is also a nation with a high percentage of folk with short memories who claim the rights to vast stores of natural resources and insist that they as ‘Australians‘ have problems in their country caused only by indigenous people and immigrants
In reply to Post #43
Well said Keith
Well said Keith
In reply to Post #44
Still my question remains...when will this boycott end?
If you say never, then are you happy to buy German products as the Nazi's murdered millions?
Are you happy to buy American products as they nuked Japan & used chemical warfare in Vietman? - it is where the Spanish Flu originated also.
Are you happy to buy British when the empire murdered and pillaged it's way around the globe?
Are you happy to use petrol and diesel in your cars when the countries that own Oil are tyrants and murderers?
What about your Gas from Russia?
If you plan on boycotting China for their madness now then take a look at your other products and where you are happy to buy from. I think you'll find an total boycott of products from any country that has acted worse in history than China has over this would mean you have very little.
I'm not defending China but its a bit flippant to boycott one country over their handling of this virus and ignore the atrocities of others and happily buy their products
Still my question remains...when will this boycott end?
If you say never, then are you happy to buy German products as the Nazi's murdered millions?
Are you happy to buy American products as they nuked Japan & used chemical warfare in Vietman? - it is where the Spanish Flu originated also.
Are you happy to buy British when the empire murdered and pillaged it's way around the globe?
Are you happy to use petrol and diesel in your cars when the countries that own Oil are tyrants and murderers?
What about your Gas from Russia?
If you plan on boycotting China for their madness now then take a look at your other products and where you are happy to buy from. I think you'll find an total boycott of products from any country that has acted worse in history than China has over this would mean you have very little.
I'm not defending China but its a bit flippant to boycott one country over their handling of this virus and ignore the atrocities of others and happily buy their products
In reply to Post #45
China owns the rights to vast mineral resources in Australia and will influence the future of the country. Read the book Silent Invasion.
China owns the rights to vast mineral resources in Australia and will influence the future of the country. Read the book Silent Invasion.
In reply to Post #48
They do mate, I know a couple of blokes in the mining game who aren't happy about it. They do have nice pads, swimming pools and 50k utes though.
I bet not many indigenous Australians got rich from the changing of hands of those minerals though, more those who laid claim to them when westerners arrived
They do mate, I know a couple of blokes in the mining game who aren't happy about it. They do have nice pads, swimming pools and 50k utes though.
I bet not many indigenous Australians got rich from the changing of hands of those minerals though, more those who laid claim to them when westerners arrived
In reply to Post #47
if you go back in history you can find things to act on how far do you want to go back but we are talking about now and the way Chinese treat animals and what they eat amongst over things they don't deserve any support
if you go back in history you can find things to act on how far do you want to go back but we are talking about now and the way Chinese treat animals and what they eat amongst over things they don't deserve any support
In reply to Post #47
China is an aggressive super power, no friend of the UK or democracy. It's been using it's "belt and road" strategy for years to bring influence on countries and areas across the globe. Buying infrastructure for developing nation's in exchange for debt and in some instances total area's of Chinese influence in the host country. There's many geopolitical reasons why pressure should be applied economically, even before this pandemic. To bring about change. Painful for the importer that makes his money from Chinese cheapness, but the right thing to do long term.
China is an aggressive super power, no friend of the UK or democracy. It's been using it's "belt and road" strategy for years to bring influence on countries and areas across the globe. Buying infrastructure for developing nation's in exchange for debt and in some instances total area's of Chinese influence in the host country. There's many geopolitical reasons why pressure should be applied economically, even before this pandemic. To bring about change. Painful for the importer that makes his money from Chinese cheapness, but the right thing to do long term.
In reply to Post #51
#50 - they've been treating animals like that for centuries, why is it now anyone gives a damn? because of this virus? so it was perfectly fine before this virus went global? It's not exactly been hidden from people, it's well documented the live animal markets so you can't say it's only just come to light.
#51 - someone talking sense, but why is it now the calls for boycott have started? Is it because a majority of the population blame china for this virus, not the responses of the global leaders to it, for the lockdown they are having to endure? Just seems like people are looking for a reason to hate and blame. Chinese products have been here for years and years, no one called for a boycott 3 years ago so why all of a sudden now this virus has come about?
#50 - they've been treating animals like that for centuries, why is it now anyone gives a damn? because of this virus? so it was perfectly fine before this virus went global? It's not exactly been hidden from people, it's well documented the live animal markets so you can't say it's only just come to light.
#51 - someone talking sense, but why is it now the calls for boycott have started? Is it because a majority of the population blame china for this virus, not the responses of the global leaders to it, for the lockdown they are having to endure? Just seems like people are looking for a reason to hate and blame. Chinese products have been here for years and years, no one called for a boycott 3 years ago so why all of a sudden now this virus has come about?
In reply to Post #52
Sometimes you just have a straw that breaks the camel's back and makes people think about the way things are.
Sometimes you just have a straw that breaks the camel's back and makes people think about the way things are.
In reply to Post #52
China hid the virus and then allowed it to spread before actually letting the world know, and now look at us. If that's not cause enough alone for some sort of punishment then what is?! As for their treatment of animals, yeah its been out there in plain view, maybe its just been highlighted more now. Its ****ing savage either way
China hid the virus and then allowed it to spread before actually letting the world know, and now look at us. If that's not cause enough alone for some sort of punishment then what is?! As for their treatment of animals, yeah its been out there in plain view, maybe its just been highlighted more now. Its ****ing savage either way
In reply to Post #54
Well said ip100 they should at least stop the aid to China why are we giving aid to China is crazy
Well said ip100 they should at least stop the aid to China why are we giving aid to China is crazy
In reply to Post #54
Considering it was reported on UK news in Late December/Early January (and yes too late as people had travelled out of Wuhan by then) was it really hidden to the extent that the situation we are in globally was 'best case scenario'? Plenty of countries, a lot closer to China have it, and have it controlled, EU countries have it controlled, those that took immediate steps to contain it. China did a naughty by not telling everyone earlier, but arrogance of political leaders did the rest, a 'it'll be fine, we wont be affected much' attitude towards it, a majority of the public had the same thoughts.
I mean it's not like China is forcing people to ignore government advice and not social distance is it? It never forced which decisions needed to be made in terms of when to lock down any countries did it?
Considering it was reported on UK news in Late December/Early January (and yes too late as people had travelled out of Wuhan by then) was it really hidden to the extent that the situation we are in globally was 'best case scenario'? Plenty of countries, a lot closer to China have it, and have it controlled, EU countries have it controlled, those that took immediate steps to contain it. China did a naughty by not telling everyone earlier, but arrogance of political leaders did the rest, a 'it'll be fine, we wont be affected much' attitude towards it, a majority of the public had the same thoughts.
I mean it's not like China is forcing people to ignore government advice and not social distance is it? It never forced which decisions needed to be made in terms of when to lock down any countries did it?
In reply to Post #56
Yup, we had plenty of warning imo. We failed to act on it.
Yup, we had plenty of warning imo. We failed to act on it.
In reply to Post #56
I never said the global leaders hadn't handled it badly themselves, but the fact remains it started in China and was hushed up, and even the doctor who first discovered it was punished for trying to out it. They allowed people to travel all over knowing they had a deadly virus going about and did nothing to stop it until it was too late. Now the world is in turmoil, people are dying rapidly, economies are on the brink of a huge recession meanwhile China have lost relatively few people in comparison (if their figures are anything like honest) their economy is on the up and countries are swamping them for orders for ppe which half of is sub standard. If that doesn't deserve some sort of sanctions then what does?
I never said the global leaders hadn't handled it badly themselves, but the fact remains it started in China and was hushed up, and even the doctor who first discovered it was punished for trying to out it. They allowed people to travel all over knowing they had a deadly virus going about and did nothing to stop it until it was too late. Now the world is in turmoil, people are dying rapidly, economies are on the brink of a huge recession meanwhile China have lost relatively few people in comparison (if their figures are anything like honest) their economy is on the up and countries are swamping them for orders for ppe which half of is sub standard. If that doesn't deserve some sort of sanctions then what does?
In reply to Post #56
The Chinese started this virus easy to blame about testing and lock downs it's a new virus they didn't understand it it's taken everyone by surprise I think Boris and Matt Hancock and Chris whitty and team are working there bits
Off to sort this out what a responsibility they have very easy for people to criticise
The Chinese started this virus easy to blame about testing and lock downs it's a new virus they didn't understand it it's taken everyone by surprise I think Boris and Matt Hancock and Chris whitty and team are working there bits
Off to sort this out what a responsibility they have very easy for people to criticise
In reply to Post #58
Not saying they didnt act naughtily about it all. Sanctions are sanctions, sadly you cant say 'all of these deaths are because of you' to them because no-one acted appropriately. China or any other country. A boycott on Chinese products because of this virus is not a sanction, it is an aim at trying to blame them for something everyone dealt with stupidly. If somehow you managed to get everyone in the UK to not buy a single chinese made product, or any products with ties to china, they probably wouldn't be the losers in the situation, those products will be shipped elsewhere or factories would produce in demand products for the rest of the world.
We can all sit on a forum and say 'I wont buy anything Chinese ever again' but realistically do you think they would notice if you didnt? or if 1 million people didnt? Unless the entire world bans Chinese imports & exports to China (including people) its doesnt really make them take an notice does it.
Not saying they didnt act naughtily about it all. Sanctions are sanctions, sadly you cant say 'all of these deaths are because of you' to them because no-one acted appropriately. China or any other country. A boycott on Chinese products because of this virus is not a sanction, it is an aim at trying to blame them for something everyone dealt with stupidly. If somehow you managed to get everyone in the UK to not buy a single chinese made product, or any products with ties to china, they probably wouldn't be the losers in the situation, those products will be shipped elsewhere or factories would produce in demand products for the rest of the world.
We can all sit on a forum and say 'I wont buy anything Chinese ever again' but realistically do you think they would notice if you didnt? or if 1 million people didnt? Unless the entire world bans Chinese imports & exports to China (including people) its doesnt really make them take an notice does it.
In reply to Post #48
Exactly that
Same as in Africa, building them schools and communities to enable them to exploit their resources, hearts and minds and all.
I have read quite a bit and watched quite a bit on them out of interest
Exactly that
Same as in Africa, building them schools and communities to enable them to exploit their resources, hearts and minds and all.
I have read quite a bit and watched quite a bit on them out of interest
In reply to Post #51
Same as
I believe they own quite a bit of major London real estate too. same as most things in the world. Tell them to **** off would be my stance. We are buying you out, for 1p to the equivalent £
Same as
I believe they own quite a bit of major London real estate too. same as most things in the world. Tell them to **** off would be my stance. We are buying you out, for 1p to the equivalent £
In reply to Post #54
Well said mate.... China's handling of this is indefensible....although some are clearly trying to defend them!!!
Well said mate.... China's handling of this is indefensible....although some are clearly trying to defend them!!!
In reply to Post #56
#56. So it's OUR governments fault....eerrrmmmmm.NO!!!!!!!
Back on topic let's all make a massive effort to support our local tackle shops, not Angling direct and it's hunt for a monopoly.
Let's also ask where is that made before we make a choice..... unless the Chinese start to provide free masks and ventilators etc for the whole world it has effected then I won't be supporting their economy one bit.
Makes my blood boil how they have now reopened Wuhan and are now set to profit fro something they blatantly didn't even try and control.
#56. So it's OUR governments fault....eerrrmmmmm.NO!!!!!!!
Back on topic let's all make a massive effort to support our local tackle shops, not Angling direct and it's hunt for a monopoly.
Let's also ask where is that made before we make a choice..... unless the Chinese start to provide free masks and ventilators etc for the whole world it has effected then I won't be supporting their economy one bit.
Makes my blood boil how they have now reopened Wuhan and are now set to profit fro something they blatantly didn't even try and control.
In reply to Post #60
If they would have dealt with it properly then the rest of the world leaders wouldn't have had the opportunity to act stupidly.
The major difference is the world leaders have openly been stupid about the whole situation, the Chinese covered theirs up creating a much bigger issue for everyone else. And now they are the ones benefitting from all the turmoil with their cheap manufacturing of sometimes sub standard ppe. Fancy that.....
If they would have dealt with it properly then the rest of the world leaders wouldn't have had the opportunity to act stupidly.
The major difference is the world leaders have openly been stupid about the whole situation, the Chinese covered theirs up creating a much bigger issue for everyone else. And now they are the ones benefitting from all the turmoil with their cheap manufacturing of sometimes sub standard ppe. Fancy that.....
In reply to Post #65
Spot on IP100
Spot on IP100
In reply to Post #60
When demand drops = less profit
When this ends and Trump sticks high tariffs then the money grabbing global domination inferiority complex Chinese will have to sit up and listen!!!!
Read the book ‘unrestricted warfare'. It's all your need to see their master plan
When demand drops = less profit
When this ends and Trump sticks high tariffs then the money grabbing global domination inferiority complex Chinese will have to sit up and listen!!!!
Read the book ‘unrestricted warfare'. It's all your need to see their master plan
In reply to Post #60
"We can all sit on a forum and say 'I wont buy anything Chinese ever again' but realistically do you think they would notice if you didnt? or if 1 million people didnt? Unless the entire world bans Chinese imports & exports to China (including people) its doesnt really make them take an notice does it."
You would, they would and so would the UK importers. What does the UK company do when it's products don't sell? Do nothing and go under? It's twofold, they have to get you to buy their products again or someone else will step in. Maybe that could be a UK manufacturer and we wouldn't be in the same ***** again where we can't manufacture anything we need quickly if this type of thing happens again. You've also all the spin offs that a strong manufacturing base brings to a society.
"We can all sit on a forum and say 'I wont buy anything Chinese ever again' but realistically do you think they would notice if you didnt? or if 1 million people didnt? Unless the entire world bans Chinese imports & exports to China (including people) its doesnt really make them take an notice does it."
You would, they would and so would the UK importers. What does the UK company do when it's products don't sell? Do nothing and go under? It's twofold, they have to get you to buy their products again or someone else will step in. Maybe that could be a UK manufacturer and we wouldn't be in the same ***** again where we can't manufacture anything we need quickly if this type of thing happens again. You've also all the spin offs that a strong manufacturing base brings to a society.
In reply to Post #68
I think what they should do when this ends stop wasting money forget new railways a smart motorways cut back on aid and really help manufacturing low rent low rates and taxes as long it's agreed there end product will be at a affordable price it's been hard for businesses to work here to expensive so they go bust or charge the earth for there product might be able to produce again
I think what they should do when this ends stop wasting money forget new railways a smart motorways cut back on aid and really help manufacturing low rent low rates and taxes as long it's agreed there end product will be at a affordable price it's been hard for businesses to work here to expensive so they go bust or charge the earth for there product might be able to produce again
there are also manufacturers using, for example, Japanese tooling and design to produce and assemble in China.
They won't necessarily be the cheapest option because there are tariffs on those outfits, they can just supply the demand easier.
Is the main problem not how the vast wealth is used to buy up land, property, debt, etc. Rather than products themselves.
There's also not going to be any money left in our economy to invest in producing anything for a while
They won't necessarily be the cheapest option because there are tariffs on those outfits, they can just supply the demand easier.
Is the main problem not how the vast wealth is used to buy up land, property, debt, etc. Rather than products themselves.
There's also not going to be any money left in our economy to invest in producing anything for a while
In reply to Post #68
Does that make an impact on China? Hardly. you are impacting the business manufacturing over there. You prove my point exactly in what you say...if there is no demand for their product they just change product they manufacture, same as the business will change manufacturer? Or do you think the Chinese companies would sit and do nothing and go under but others wont?
I'm not defending China, I've quite clearly said that in my posts, I just think people need to look deeper than "the virus came from China so lets boycott all Chinese products" and actually realise why they weren't boycotting China before if all this stuff was happening they are so against. I've never heard anyone say about boycotting China until the last week or so, the sole reason being this virus outbreak. If your reason to boycott is SOLELY due to this virus and the way they handled it it just seems ridiculous.
Maybe i'm just a little annoyed that the people I see saying it on my faceache are the same people who wanted foreigners out but now applaud them for keeping the country running & the same people that clap the NHS but vote for a party that cheered when they blocked them getting pay rises. Fickle people with little integrity.
I suppose it boils down to the products in question though...I.E. there is a golf swing aid, it is a bit of plastic pretty much, nothing too special. £25 from the company who 'invented' it. £4 from China. Now would you pay an extra £11 for a mere bit of plastic just to support the company, which are clearly overcharging for it and feed their greed??
In any case, like I said, the boycott needs to be global, and it needs to happen with import and export bans put in place. Driving down demand, etc. takes years to hit the manufacturers, they see it coming and diversify well before any substantial losses occur at their end.
I am not sure how AD have managed to keep monopolising the industry but I don't think it'll last long. They went from small and brilliant to owning everything and having poor service a lot of the time and plenty don't bother with them anymore.
Does that make an impact on China? Hardly. you are impacting the business manufacturing over there. You prove my point exactly in what you say...if there is no demand for their product they just change product they manufacture, same as the business will change manufacturer? Or do you think the Chinese companies would sit and do nothing and go under but others wont?
I'm not defending China, I've quite clearly said that in my posts, I just think people need to look deeper than "the virus came from China so lets boycott all Chinese products" and actually realise why they weren't boycotting China before if all this stuff was happening they are so against. I've never heard anyone say about boycotting China until the last week or so, the sole reason being this virus outbreak. If your reason to boycott is SOLELY due to this virus and the way they handled it it just seems ridiculous.
Maybe i'm just a little annoyed that the people I see saying it on my faceache are the same people who wanted foreigners out but now applaud them for keeping the country running & the same people that clap the NHS but vote for a party that cheered when they blocked them getting pay rises. Fickle people with little integrity.
I suppose it boils down to the products in question though...I.E. there is a golf swing aid, it is a bit of plastic pretty much, nothing too special. £25 from the company who 'invented' it. £4 from China. Now would you pay an extra £11 for a mere bit of plastic just to support the company, which are clearly overcharging for it and feed their greed??
In any case, like I said, the boycott needs to be global, and it needs to happen with import and export bans put in place. Driving down demand, etc. takes years to hit the manufacturers, they see it coming and diversify well before any substantial losses occur at their end.
I am not sure how AD have managed to keep monopolising the industry but I don't think it'll last long. They went from small and brilliant to owning everything and having poor service a lot of the time and plenty don't bother with them anymore.
In reply to Post #69
Spot on, I got a letter from the PM, £5 million spent sending a letter out to tell us to stay inside. Personally I think that money could have been better spent on supporting the vulnerable and key workers in the country instead of a letter which goes through many hands and risks infecting a lot of people only to end up in the recycling bin 2 minutes after opening it.
Spot on, I got a letter from the PM, £5 million spent sending a letter out to tell us to stay inside. Personally I think that money could have been better spent on supporting the vulnerable and key workers in the country instead of a letter which goes through many hands and risks infecting a lot of people only to end up in the recycling bin 2 minutes after opening it.
In reply to Post #71
Do you understand how Chinese companies and the ruling communist party work? All companies have card carrying party members on the boards. The aim of the company is to strengthen the Chinese state and fund it's ambition's. You could say the bivvy you bought pays for the detention and reeducation of millions of Uighars. Or pays for the 7 aircraft carriers they're building. Or the bullets used to break up democracy rallies in Hong Kong.
You impact Chinese business you effect the ruling Communist party
So I'm not sure what your point is. Let alone proving it.
Do you understand how Chinese companies and the ruling communist party work? All companies have card carrying party members on the boards. The aim of the company is to strengthen the Chinese state and fund it's ambition's. You could say the bivvy you bought pays for the detention and reeducation of millions of Uighars. Or pays for the 7 aircraft carriers they're building. Or the bullets used to break up democracy rallies in Hong Kong.
You impact Chinese business you effect the ruling Communist party
So I'm not sure what your point is. Let alone proving it.
In reply to Post #71
In any case, like I said, the boycott needs to be global, and it needs to happen with import and export bans put in place. Driving down demand, etc.
A better idea. We stick a 25%+ import fee on any business buying goods from China, takes the control away from the Chinese and gives our manufacturing businesses a chance to compete, after all, the fore mentioned are doing nothing for our economy, jobs etc. Other than importing cheap crap to line their pockets and supporting Chinese manufacturing. Make it 50%
Hey, isn't that similar to what Donald was doing
In any case, like I said, the boycott needs to be global, and it needs to happen with import and export bans put in place. Driving down demand, etc.
A better idea. We stick a 25%+ import fee on any business buying goods from China, takes the control away from the Chinese and gives our manufacturing businesses a chance to compete, after all, the fore mentioned are doing nothing for our economy, jobs etc. Other than importing cheap crap to line their pockets and supporting Chinese manufacturing. Make it 50%
Hey, isn't that similar to what Donald was doing
In reply to Post #74
There's only the US and possibly the EU that could stand up to China in a tarrif war. Individual countries would be denied access to Chinese market's.
There's only the US and possibly the EU that could stand up to China in a tarrif war. Individual countries would be denied access to Chinese market's.
In reply to Post #73
I'm quite sure what yours is?
I'm not saying Chinese products shouldn't be boycotted, I'm just questioning peoples intentions and ideology around a boycott. The rationale seems to be because of a virus, not the reasons you have stated.
I'll stand by what I'm saying, the quickest way to have any effect is a global united bans on Chinese products AND exports to China, as boycotting items reduces demand too slowly to have any significant effect. A reduced demand for a tackle company, translates back to a Chinese manufacturer after maybe a 12 months, possibly longer before the tackle firm cottons on they are being boycotted because of the Chinese manufacturer and it actually starts costing them their business. If it isn't everyone then they don't see significant enough loses to start looking elsewhere for manufacturers, the chances are it wont be Britain when they do, it'll be another Asian country that where a virus didn't originate from. The orders start drying up from the firm to the Chinese manufacturer and they see this by lower and lower order numbers all the time, so they start looking at other products to manufacture to fill the loss of earnings, when the orders completely dry up and the contract is dropped they are already diversified for another product. Do you not think that the Chinese have a brain or business acumen to see the need to diversify and not loose money, just the same as you expect a British retailer to do? Why would they act any different to a British business owner?
I'm quite sure what yours is?
I'm not saying Chinese products shouldn't be boycotted, I'm just questioning peoples intentions and ideology around a boycott. The rationale seems to be because of a virus, not the reasons you have stated.
I'll stand by what I'm saying, the quickest way to have any effect is a global united bans on Chinese products AND exports to China, as boycotting items reduces demand too slowly to have any significant effect. A reduced demand for a tackle company, translates back to a Chinese manufacturer after maybe a 12 months, possibly longer before the tackle firm cottons on they are being boycotted because of the Chinese manufacturer and it actually starts costing them their business. If it isn't everyone then they don't see significant enough loses to start looking elsewhere for manufacturers, the chances are it wont be Britain when they do, it'll be another Asian country that where a virus didn't originate from. The orders start drying up from the firm to the Chinese manufacturer and they see this by lower and lower order numbers all the time, so they start looking at other products to manufacture to fill the loss of earnings, when the orders completely dry up and the contract is dropped they are already diversified for another product. Do you not think that the Chinese have a brain or business acumen to see the need to diversify and not loose money, just the same as you expect a British retailer to do? Why would they act any different to a British business owner?
In reply to Post #75
Thought the same myself mate. Maybe we should join the EU?
Thought the same myself mate. Maybe we should join the EU?
In reply to Post #76
That's cause they're my reasons for choosing Chinese goods only as a last resort for several years. Put your own restrictions on what you buy rather than waiting for a gang to form.
That's cause they're my reasons for choosing Chinese goods only as a last resort for several years. Put your own restrictions on what you buy rather than waiting for a gang to form.
In reply to Post #77
That ships sailed and gone mate.
That ships sailed and gone mate.
In reply to Post #78
Still havent answered my question...
Still havent answered my question...
3rd largest airforce, China and growing.
Largest army China.
Largest navy China and growing.
Just so consumers are aware of some of the things China likes to spend its money on.
Largest army China.
Largest navy China and growing.
Just so consumers are aware of some of the things China likes to spend its money on.
I've, always tried to avoid buying Chinese gear, that's why I like Swedish stuff, Trangia,ex British army gear ,old original Solar stainless etc..
Then I looked close at my stuff
Free spirit CTX,made in China
Porterlite two,made in China,it better than my mk one original,sadly..
Are Harrison rods made and manufactured in the UK,and the components,can anyone tell me?...
Cheers,stay safe..👍
Then I looked close at my stuff
Free spirit CTX,made in China
Porterlite two,made in China,it better than my mk one original,sadly..
Are Harrison rods made and manufactured in the UK,and the components,can anyone tell me?...
Cheers,stay safe..👍
In reply to Post #82
See post 12 re Harrison.
Thought all free spirit rods except S class and hi 's' were made in Malaysia while the S class and hi 's' blanks were made in Japan and built in UK.
See post 12 re Harrison.
Thought all free spirit rods except S class and hi 's' were made in Malaysia while the S class and hi 's' blanks were made in Japan and built in UK.
In reply to Post #76
This?
"I'll stand by what I'm saying, the quickest way to have any effect is a global united bans on Chinese products AND exports to China"
Quickest way to a war is the answer.
This?
"I'll stand by what I'm saying, the quickest way to have any effect is a global united bans on Chinese products AND exports to China"
Quickest way to a war is the answer.
In reply to Post #83
Let's all get a proper list together of brands that are using let's say over 80% British manufacturing and raw materials....
Come on lads we can do this!!
Let's all get a proper list together of brands that are using let's say over 80% British manufacturing and raw materials....
Come on lads we can do this!!
In reply to Post #83
Cheers,my CTx not China made then...good!!..
Cheers,my CTx not China made then...good!!..
In reply to Post #85
Think that will be a very small list.
Think that will be a very small list.
In reply to Post #85
Edwards custom upgrades, mk1 compacts...?
Edwards custom upgrades, mk1 compacts...?
In reply to Post #88
Cotswold Aquarius surely no way that stuff is made in China
Cotswold Aquarius surely no way that stuff is made in China
CCP, custom carp products,good stuff,where does the materials come from...?
Already a thread in non carp stuff attempting to do this. Just how far do you go? Are the materials not Chinese but the tools are? If so does it get written off the list? What if the design/CAD work was done on a MacBook?
In reply to Post #89
No,you can even go to their factory and go through designs you want,but where does their material come from
No,you can even go to their factory and go through designs you want,but where does their material come from
In reply to Post #92
As I said we can't avoid any Chinese involvement (materials) as they seem to have completely taken over the world but we can focus on not having the whole product made there...
Back to British made 👍👍👍
As I said we can't avoid any Chinese involvement (materials) as they seem to have completely taken over the world but we can focus on not having the whole product made there...
Back to British made 👍👍👍
In reply to Post #93
Cotswold aquarius definitely are then
Cotswold aquarius definitely are then
Be interesting to find out,as I don't rightly know..where are the new Delkims made,and what percentage is Chinese,if any
Txi,mk2...where are they made,and ,as above..
In the future...(hopefully)...Dads Army theme tune,softly playing in background.....
Me,Hi Chris ive come to pick up my carp.!!
CM,..OK mate,..those linears are nice,and Cormo proof too..!!
Me,Chris,you've got the land,buildings,designs...and manufacturing knowledge...come back mate, we need you..
CM...No one will buy British mate.
Me...They will now mate,people are fed up with 'buy cheap, buy twice'....
CM....Digs out mobile,right girls,dust off those machines,its time....
Txi,mk2...where are they made,and ,as above..
In the future...(hopefully)...Dads Army theme tune,softly playing in background.....
Me,Hi Chris ive come to pick up my carp.!!
CM,..OK mate,..those linears are nice,and Cormo proof too..!!
Me,Chris,you've got the land,buildings,designs...and manufacturing knowledge...come back mate, we need you..
CM...No one will buy British mate.
Me...They will now mate,people are fed up with 'buy cheap, buy twice'....
CM....Digs out mobile,right girls,dust off those machines,its time....
In reply to Post #95
If Chris comes back and gets Julie making the bivvies again then count me in.I will definitely buy one
If Chris comes back and gets Julie making the bivvies again then count me in.I will definitely buy one
In reply to Post #52
I'd known about the desire to eat all manner of creatures, it's only due to looking further after being prompted by this global madness that I learnt more.
You wrote:
"#50 - they've been treating animals like that for centuries, why is it now anyone gives a damn? because of this virus? so it was perfectly fine before this virus went global? It's not exactly been hidden from people, it's well documented the live animal markets so you can't say it's only just come to light. "
Then I read about 3 squeaks and virgin boy eggs and thought whaaaaaaat?
And then this delightful video showed up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C406IVEPqF4
So no, **** them heathens to hell and back.
A nation that exhibits zero compassion to man nor beast doesn't deserve to share the planet with either..
I'd known about the desire to eat all manner of creatures, it's only due to looking further after being prompted by this global madness that I learnt more.
You wrote:
"#50 - they've been treating animals like that for centuries, why is it now anyone gives a damn? because of this virus? so it was perfectly fine before this virus went global? It's not exactly been hidden from people, it's well documented the live animal markets so you can't say it's only just come to light. "
Then I read about 3 squeaks and virgin boy eggs and thought whaaaaaaat?
And then this delightful video showed up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C406IVEPqF4
So no, **** them heathens to hell and back.
A nation that exhibits zero compassion to man nor beast doesn't deserve to share the planet with either..
In reply to Post #96
Good luck selling them. I bet most tent raw materials don't exceed £50. Aluminium poles and fabric. £30 labour in a sweat shop compared with say £200+ here?. Major make up and rip off and they have just upped and upped the profit margins to a ridiculous levels such as a £600 tent that is probably useless after a couple of seasons!!!, yet, right
The Aqua / Cypri comparison is a prime example, half the price and that's from the same factory shipped around the world. Can't knock the Chinks for that can you, cutting out the middle man
So all these fishing companies who don't manufacture in the U.K. are nothing more than a badge importing mass produced cheap crap and selling it off for a premium ripping anglers off. They are a service provider, end of, pick up the phone, get me 3000 of these....
So when they are doing all this self promotion stuff what they should do is look at themselves these greedy ****s and realise they are not doing anything for the economy over here or the people buying their crap, I.e providing jobs. They are nothing more than sales and promotion teams. That's the reality. What they should do to be politically correct with their products is all wear red Chinese jumpers when promoting their gear. Rip off merchants of the highest level
Good luck selling them. I bet most tent raw materials don't exceed £50. Aluminium poles and fabric. £30 labour in a sweat shop compared with say £200+ here?. Major make up and rip off and they have just upped and upped the profit margins to a ridiculous levels such as a £600 tent that is probably useless after a couple of seasons!!!, yet, right
The Aqua / Cypri comparison is a prime example, half the price and that's from the same factory shipped around the world. Can't knock the Chinks for that can you, cutting out the middle man
So all these fishing companies who don't manufacture in the U.K. are nothing more than a badge importing mass produced cheap crap and selling it off for a premium ripping anglers off. They are a service provider, end of, pick up the phone, get me 3000 of these....
So when they are doing all this self promotion stuff what they should do is look at themselves these greedy ****s and realise they are not doing anything for the economy over here or the people buying their crap, I.e providing jobs. They are nothing more than sales and promotion teams. That's the reality. What they should do to be politically correct with their products is all wear red Chinese jumpers when promoting their gear. Rip off merchants of the highest level
In reply to Post #97
Yep we can't avoid Chinese involvement. I bet all the bite alarm manufacturers have their PCBs done in China with final assembly in Europe.
For someone who's worked in the electronics design industry for nearly 30 years uk contract manufacturers are just not competitive when it comes to volume manufacture.
Apple make all their products at Foxconn who are one of the biggest in the world if you look on wiki in 2012 it was said they made 40% of all consumer electronics in the world - so what company wouldn't want to take advantage of that ?
Again for raw materials / textiles it will always be China
When we come out this what will be left is a deep global recession probably lasting into mid 2021 companies will continue to look to China to help them resurrect their businesses to build us their cash resources (to re employ etc) & survive.
Business is business.
What are we all going to do when our government signs the trade deal with China - boycott them ?
We have to get away from all the conspiracy theories & looking to blame someone and work as one to build a better world
Yep we can't avoid Chinese involvement. I bet all the bite alarm manufacturers have their PCBs done in China with final assembly in Europe.
For someone who's worked in the electronics design industry for nearly 30 years uk contract manufacturers are just not competitive when it comes to volume manufacture.
Apple make all their products at Foxconn who are one of the biggest in the world if you look on wiki in 2012 it was said they made 40% of all consumer electronics in the world - so what company wouldn't want to take advantage of that ?
Again for raw materials / textiles it will always be China
When we come out this what will be left is a deep global recession probably lasting into mid 2021 companies will continue to look to China to help them resurrect their businesses to build us their cash resources (to re employ etc) & survive.
Business is business.
What are we all going to do when our government signs the trade deal with China - boycott them ?
We have to get away from all the conspiracy theories & looking to blame someone and work as one to build a better world
In reply to Post #99
LApple make all their products at Foxconn who are one of the biggest in the world
Or better still google, Foxconn factory riot, thats interesting reading, that's the reality and what we are up against
If people can remember when Trump got in one of the first things he was trying to do was get Foxconn to build a plant in the US
Edit - had a google
The Foxconn plant in southeastern Wisconsin is a project to ostensibly build a $10 billion flat screen TV and LCD panel manufacturing plant in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin that was originally slated to employ 13,000 people. The state of Wisconsin had made an agreement with Foxconn whereby the company would receive subsidies ranging from $3 billion to $4.8 billion (paid in increments if Foxconn met certain targets), which would have been by far the largest subsidy ever given to a foreign firm in U.S. history. The factory was set to start production by the end of 2020 but as of December 2019 construction had yet to begin.
A start but nothing compared to the near 80,000 people who work at the Chinese plant!
Anybody who is interested even further have a google: Government-owned companies of China, thats the reality
LApple make all their products at Foxconn who are one of the biggest in the world
Or better still google, Foxconn factory riot, thats interesting reading, that's the reality and what we are up against
If people can remember when Trump got in one of the first things he was trying to do was get Foxconn to build a plant in the US
Edit - had a google
The Foxconn plant in southeastern Wisconsin is a project to ostensibly build a $10 billion flat screen TV and LCD panel manufacturing plant in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin that was originally slated to employ 13,000 people. The state of Wisconsin had made an agreement with Foxconn whereby the company would receive subsidies ranging from $3 billion to $4.8 billion (paid in increments if Foxconn met certain targets), which would have been by far the largest subsidy ever given to a foreign firm in U.S. history. The factory was set to start production by the end of 2020 but as of December 2019 construction had yet to begin.
A start but nothing compared to the near 80,000 people who work at the Chinese plant!
Anybody who is interested even further have a google: Government-owned companies of China, thats the reality
In reply to Post #100
China also own shares in Thames Water. Are you all going to stop your water supplies and dig a bore hole?
If you have a deep enough search - somehow it likes to get hidden away - the businesses both private and public that have Chinese investment is quite extensive. I believe China bought a load of government premium bonds at one point too.
What I'm seeing is that China have not privatised anything much and have kept it all government owned and are mega rich for it. Is there just sheer jealousy from those that support privatisation? Maybe if we didn't do it here we would be richer, as a government and as a country? Problem is China is a communist regime so they do naughty things. I guess the argument being used is “don't line the Chinese governments pocket to pay for their public services/naughtiness/lifestyle, instead line the pockets of private business owners instead, not sure who they are or if they are good people though”
It all smacks of jealousy - China are a financial powerhouse in the world. A leading global influence. It's not new. In my year 11 geography classes over a decade ago we learnt of the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) economic group that were on course to overtake everyone as the 4 leading economic And industrial powers in the world. Basically the previous powers (USA & European countries) outsourced everything to those place and lined their pockets and made them richer than everyone else (exclude Russia from that) by exploiting the people If those emergent countries for their own greed. Britain had an empire, as did other countries. China are building one. Just because you think it's not right to have one doesn't stop them. I doubt anyone in the commonwealth was happy to be exploited and enslaved by the British Empire and their resources stolen (not even bought like China are doing).
China also own shares in Thames Water. Are you all going to stop your water supplies and dig a bore hole?
If you have a deep enough search - somehow it likes to get hidden away - the businesses both private and public that have Chinese investment is quite extensive. I believe China bought a load of government premium bonds at one point too.
What I'm seeing is that China have not privatised anything much and have kept it all government owned and are mega rich for it. Is there just sheer jealousy from those that support privatisation? Maybe if we didn't do it here we would be richer, as a government and as a country? Problem is China is a communist regime so they do naughty things. I guess the argument being used is “don't line the Chinese governments pocket to pay for their public services/naughtiness/lifestyle, instead line the pockets of private business owners instead, not sure who they are or if they are good people though”
It all smacks of jealousy - China are a financial powerhouse in the world. A leading global influence. It's not new. In my year 11 geography classes over a decade ago we learnt of the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) economic group that were on course to overtake everyone as the 4 leading economic And industrial powers in the world. Basically the previous powers (USA & European countries) outsourced everything to those place and lined their pockets and made them richer than everyone else (exclude Russia from that) by exploiting the people If those emergent countries for their own greed. Britain had an empire, as did other countries. China are building one. Just because you think it's not right to have one doesn't stop them. I doubt anyone in the commonwealth was happy to be exploited and enslaved by the British Empire and their resources stolen (not even bought like China are doing).
In reply to Post #101
There's the reason Uncle Trump gave Boris a shellacking for allowing Huawia into our 5G network. We're wedded atm to cheap Chinese goods and investment. Boris bottled it cause he didn't want to jeopardise this arrangement.
There's the reason Uncle Trump gave Boris a shellacking for allowing Huawia into our 5G network. We're wedded atm to cheap Chinese goods and investment. Boris bottled it cause he didn't want to jeopardise this arrangement.
In reply to Post #101
Trying the balance the view 🤣
Why are you so keen to protect this terrible domination approach? Ok so we are all victims of this terrible crooked country and have allowed the situation. Still doesn't make it right
We aren't jealous just annoyed that they don't care about anyone else but themselves in this world
Trying the balance the view 🤣
Why are you so keen to protect this terrible domination approach? Ok so we are all victims of this terrible crooked country and have allowed the situation. Still doesn't make it right
We aren't jealous just annoyed that they don't care about anyone else but themselves in this world
In reply to Post #102
Sadly boycotting China means you'll have to bin the trusty bulin t4 stoves lads. Considering China only produce ‘tat' these are the most highly rated gas stoves about. How does that work?
Sadly boycotting China means you'll have to bin the trusty bulin t4 stoves lads. Considering China only produce ‘tat' these are the most highly rated gas stoves about. How does that work?
In reply to Post #103
Not protecting...just exploring people's ideas and reasonings. Plenty of people have shown the numerous deeper reasons than a virus for a boycott. Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist when a statement against their opinion is put forward to make them think? This ‘terrible domination approach' was exactly what the British empire did but with violence not money not so long ago don't forget.
I've not once said it makes it right. But placing blame solely on that country is misguided isn't it? If we as a world never succumbed to cheap goods they wouldn't be where they are would they? Is it their fault for taking a business opportunity when they see one to make some money? Isn't that what any business does? Or should no businesses be allowed to see a gap and fill it?
Not protecting...just exploring people's ideas and reasonings. Plenty of people have shown the numerous deeper reasons than a virus for a boycott. Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist when a statement against their opinion is put forward to make them think? This ‘terrible domination approach' was exactly what the British empire did but with violence not money not so long ago don't forget.
I've not once said it makes it right. But placing blame solely on that country is misguided isn't it? If we as a world never succumbed to cheap goods they wouldn't be where they are would they? Is it their fault for taking a business opportunity when they see one to make some money? Isn't that what any business does? Or should no businesses be allowed to see a gap and fill it?
In reply to Post #104
Sure I'll get by.
Sure I'll get by.
In reply to Post #101
Look beyond your toes, you might enlighten yourself. They are monopolising everything to the point that they will control most things. As a British citizen who is also looking at the future for my kids that seriously concerns me, how about you?
They bought out a company I used to work for, they used to invest 15billion into cutting edge chemistry, they did not buy it for the business they bought if for the chemistry and R&D which eventually end up in... China
Another business I worked for lost out major due to the labour costs, couldn't compete in this product market so let it go, to the Chinks
Hey ho, where I am now might be part of a buyout, guess what, the Chinks are interested...
You stick to your geography lessons. I will look at facts
So when there is **** all left over here, no jobs and we are flat on our arses, go to China eh?
Look beyond your toes, you might enlighten yourself. They are monopolising everything to the point that they will control most things. As a British citizen who is also looking at the future for my kids that seriously concerns me, how about you?
They bought out a company I used to work for, they used to invest 15billion into cutting edge chemistry, they did not buy it for the business they bought if for the chemistry and R&D which eventually end up in... China
Another business I worked for lost out major due to the labour costs, couldn't compete in this product market so let it go, to the Chinks
Hey ho, where I am now might be part of a buyout, guess what, the Chinks are interested...
You stick to your geography lessons. I will look at facts
So when there is **** all left over here, no jobs and we are flat on our arses, go to China eh?
In reply to Post #102
Huawei
They've been in our network core since 2005 thanks to BT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_21CN
Huawei
They've been in our network core since 2005 thanks to BT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_21CN
In reply to Post #105
Are you an importer by any chance?
OK so we've worked out that if we make our own stuff some part of the chain may come from China but if individuals want to boycott Chinese made stuff as much as possible then surely it's their choice, whether it'll hurt China is another thing but at least they have the satisfaction.
Are you an importer by any chance?
OK so we've worked out that if we make our own stuff some part of the chain may come from China but if individuals want to boycott Chinese made stuff as much as possible then surely it's their choice, whether it'll hurt China is another thing but at least they have the satisfaction.
In reply to Post #109
I fully intend to do exactly what you describe mate.
A poor example coming up... Yesterday was looking for a bushcraft,micro inflatable pillow,for my old one was leaking,and Chinese made...
Found a few I liked, but made in China,did,about five mins worth of research,bought what I wanted,made in Sweden.., and only three pounds more expensive..
Similarly, the above outlook is going to be taken on board by many,I bet...not just me....
Every time I look at that Aqua Heritage armo I own,it looks good,but look again....its so poorly made,rubbish compared to my original which I had for a long time...
I would pay good money for a decent made British bivvy,or shelter....
I fully intend to do exactly what you describe mate.
A poor example coming up... Yesterday was looking for a bushcraft,micro inflatable pillow,for my old one was leaking,and Chinese made...
Found a few I liked, but made in China,did,about five mins worth of research,bought what I wanted,made in Sweden.., and only three pounds more expensive..
Similarly, the above outlook is going to be taken on board by many,I bet...not just me....
Every time I look at that Aqua Heritage armo I own,it looks good,but look again....its so poorly made,rubbish compared to my original which I had for a long time...
I would pay good money for a decent made British bivvy,or shelter....
In reply to Post #110
Get on at Chris next time you see him.I will go get on at Julie once the lockdown is over.Lets see if we can make it happen.I like the look of the Born and Bred gear that is all UK made and is not stupidly priced
Get on at Chris next time you see him.I will go get on at Julie once the lockdown is over.Lets see if we can make it happen.I like the look of the Born and Bred gear that is all UK made and is not stupidly priced
In reply to Post #111
Will do bradders...👌..
What's this 'born and bred' gear then mate?,not heard of it...
Will do bradders...👌..
What's this 'born and bred' gear then mate?,not heard of it...
In reply to Post #109
Nope just don't live a blinkered life. Not telling people not to boycott just asking questions about what they aim to achieve and why. Is that not allowed? Like I said in an earlier post for me, a majority of the people I've seen have no real reasons and are the same people that before Christmas were screaming “brexit, get the foreigners out” but now need something to shout about as those foreigners are propping up the NHS, shops, public transport, etc.
Why is it harmful to question people and their motives? It's surely more dangerous not to.
Nope just don't live a blinkered life. Not telling people not to boycott just asking questions about what they aim to achieve and why. Is that not allowed? Like I said in an earlier post for me, a majority of the people I've seen have no real reasons and are the same people that before Christmas were screaming “brexit, get the foreigners out” but now need something to shout about as those foreigners are propping up the NHS, shops, public transport, etc.
Why is it harmful to question people and their motives? It's surely more dangerous not to.
In reply to Post #114
Cheers for link...👍
Cheers for link...👍
In reply to Post #113
Let's love everybody... not question anything and live in ignorant bliss
🙈🙈
Sometimes it takes something major to happen to stir people into action. China has been chipping away at global domination for years but as it's been a steady thing and people are busy with their own lives so we let it ride.
This has focused the mind for sure.
Sorry but you can say what you like it isn't going to influence me or anyone else that agrees!!!!!
Let's love everybody... not question anything and live in ignorant bliss
🙈🙈
Sometimes it takes something major to happen to stir people into action. China has been chipping away at global domination for years but as it's been a steady thing and people are busy with their own lives so we let it ride.
This has focused the mind for sure.
Sorry but you can say what you like it isn't going to influence me or anyone else that agrees!!!!!
In reply to Post #116
Not trying to influence anybody or stop them doing what they want to do, sorry you feel that way about a few valid points about the whole thing. valid points that would Make people that are potentially jumping on the bandwagon actually think About it rather than be sheep should not be ignored? Has this not led to more than ‘a virus started there' as the sole reason for a boycott, anyone with no clue that reads this thread will have a comprehensive understanding of the situation and be able to make an informed decision if they are so inclined.
It's sad that you feel that points that show the whole picture are an attack on your belief. If you feel that way then it is you that is attacking your own beliefs based on points someone else has raised in conversation. Ive not once said China hasn't been doing anything that anyone has bought up, merely pointed out it is one of a long line of countries that have tried global domination in one way or another. Like you said instead of using violence like the rest of the world tried, they have used money and it has been very successful for them. Again just for your benefit, that statement is NOT saying well done to them, it's just saying it how it is. Whilst the rest of the world has focussed on bombings and war the Chinese have taken a business opportunity and made a shed load of cash and bought up whatever they wanted in every country and made the world almost dependent on them. It's Much more clever than turning up with guns and bombs and slaughtering everyone.
Not trying to influence anybody or stop them doing what they want to do, sorry you feel that way about a few valid points about the whole thing. valid points that would Make people that are potentially jumping on the bandwagon actually think About it rather than be sheep should not be ignored? Has this not led to more than ‘a virus started there' as the sole reason for a boycott, anyone with no clue that reads this thread will have a comprehensive understanding of the situation and be able to make an informed decision if they are so inclined.
It's sad that you feel that points that show the whole picture are an attack on your belief. If you feel that way then it is you that is attacking your own beliefs based on points someone else has raised in conversation. Ive not once said China hasn't been doing anything that anyone has bought up, merely pointed out it is one of a long line of countries that have tried global domination in one way or another. Like you said instead of using violence like the rest of the world tried, they have used money and it has been very successful for them. Again just for your benefit, that statement is NOT saying well done to them, it's just saying it how it is. Whilst the rest of the world has focussed on bombings and war the Chinese have taken a business opportunity and made a shed load of cash and bought up whatever they wanted in every country and made the world almost dependent on them. It's Much more clever than turning up with guns and bombs and slaughtering everyone.
In reply to Post #114
Seen this stuff before. My gear is mostly Cotswold but it certainly looks good this Cotswold lookalike range
Looks very decent gear to be fair
Century rods, I'm on my way to Chinese freedom
Edit - there you go
Seen this stuff before. My gear is mostly Cotswold but it certainly looks good this Cotswold lookalike range
Looks very decent gear to be fair
Century rods, I'm on my way to Chinese freedom
Edit - there you go
In reply to Post #118
Chink is widely regarded as an ethnic slur, not really appropriate to use this sort of term.
Chink is widely regarded as an ethnic slur, not really appropriate to use this sort of term.
In reply to Post #119
Widely regarded, not appropriate?
Next you'll be telling me we can't call Americans yanks and we should all be disgusted when an Aussie calls us a Pom.
Widely regarded, not appropriate?
Next you'll be telling me we can't call Americans yanks and we should all be disgusted when an Aussie calls us a Pom.
In reply to Post #119
Is Tiddlywink ok?
Is Tiddlywink ok?
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In reply to Post #120
They can call me owt they want but NEVER call me late for mi dinner
They can call me owt they want but NEVER call me late for mi dinner
In reply to Post #123
Why century?
Why century?
In reply to Post #124
Im using them by default pal, had them a couple of years now
They have a nice British flag on them too
Im using them by default pal, had them a couple of years now
They have a nice British flag on them too
In reply to Post #121
Ferengi goes down well
As is those profit mad aliens
Ferengi goes down well
As is those profit mad aliens
In reply to Post #119
Wondered how long it would take for the liberals to come out I think using that word is the very least of peoples problems and very mild considering what they have done
Wondered how long it would take for the liberals to come out I think using that word is the very least of peoples problems and very mild considering what they have done
In reply to Post #119
Pipe down snowflake
Pipe down snowflake
In reply to Post #127
What they have done Do you mean the British government?
What they have done Do you mean the British government?
In reply to Post #128
It could be worse, I did see one guy having a rant in a group about the lakes being shut referring to the CV as ‘the ****ing Nip Flu'
ironically NIP is the acronym for the National Immunisation Program in Oz
It could be worse, I did see one guy having a rant in a group about the lakes being shut referring to the CV as ‘the ****ing Nip Flu'
ironically NIP is the acronym for the National Immunisation Program in Oz
In reply to Post #129
Why would I mean the British government do you mean the people that are trying to sort out an unknown virus and trying to save lives putting there own lives at risk as we see with Boris they should be given the Victoria cross when it's over your not up to speed I answering a post what they have done the Chinese
Why would I mean the British government do you mean the people that are trying to sort out an unknown virus and trying to save lives putting there own lives at risk as we see with Boris they should be given the Victoria cross when it's over your not up to speed I answering a post what they have done the Chinese
In reply to Post #130
The Americans used nip in the vietnam war I remember at school everyone calling people it
The Americans used nip in the vietnam war I remember at school everyone calling people it
In reply to Post #131
I know full well what you were saying. I was just interested in what your response to my comment would be 🍺
I know full well what you were saying. I was just interested in what your response to my comment would be 🍺
In reply to Post #132
The Americans used nip in the vietnam war I remember at school everyone calling people it
The Americans called the Japanese "Nips" in WW2 due to Japan also is called Nippon-koku in Japanese. The term used in Vietnam was "Gook" to describe the Vietnamese. Both are not politically correct nowadays (used in context here as explanation only)
The Americans used nip in the vietnam war I remember at school everyone calling people it
The Americans called the Japanese "Nips" in WW2 due to Japan also is called Nippon-koku in Japanese. The term used in Vietnam was "Gook" to describe the Vietnamese. Both are not politically correct nowadays (used in context here as explanation only)
In reply to Post #134
Yes you are right got wrong wars I don't use these words but a lot of people do up to them
Yes you are right got wrong wars I don't use these words but a lot of people do up to them
In reply to Post #134
'Nip Flu' does have a nice ring to it though
'Nip Flu' does have a nice ring to it though
In reply to Post #114
Hoody's are nice and thick and warm
Hoody's are nice and thick and warm
In reply to Post #117
Take your point about trade. But they have done an awful ot of killing, invading and torturing in the 80 years or so they have existed in their communist form. There used to be a peaceful Buddhist country called Tibet, led by the Dalai Lhama. China invaded in the late 50,s. Their human rights record there is appalling, genocide is not too strong a word. Lots of educational, technical and military support given to the loonies in North Korea. Religious, political and social repression by violent means is the norm. This is a totalitarian communist dictatorship where freedom is denied to most people. Western governments and businesses have been prostituting themselves for the enormous profits to be made since tricky Dicky Nixon went over in the sixties. You know, the one who was impeached. Careful with China.
Take your point about trade. But they have done an awful ot of killing, invading and torturing in the 80 years or so they have existed in their communist form. There used to be a peaceful Buddhist country called Tibet, led by the Dalai Lhama. China invaded in the late 50,s. Their human rights record there is appalling, genocide is not too strong a word. Lots of educational, technical and military support given to the loonies in North Korea. Religious, political and social repression by violent means is the norm. This is a totalitarian communist dictatorship where freedom is denied to most people. Western governments and businesses have been prostituting themselves for the enormous profits to be made since tricky Dicky Nixon went over in the sixties. You know, the one who was impeached. Careful with China.
In reply to Post #136
Kung Flu has a better ring though
Kung Flu has a better ring though
In reply to Post #139
In reply to Post #139
Kung Flu. Classic 🤣🤣
Kung Flu. Classic 🤣🤣
In reply to Post #119
You also should not call them Tiddleys or Kitchens.
You also should not call them Tiddleys or Kitchens.
In reply to Post #142
Weston Developments...all made and developed here in UK
Quality workmanship
Weston Developments...all made and developed here in UK
Quality workmanship
In reply to Post #143
And on another thread you say about the price with carp tax etc and silly money yet two posts later you have them. Is your German boat made from parts sourced from German manufacturers, highly unlikely I would think.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for buying UK made but remember the criticism I got a few years ago for supporting uk company's over cheap imports.
And on another thread you say about the price with carp tax etc and silly money yet two posts later you have them. Is your German boat made from parts sourced from German manufacturers, highly unlikely I would think.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for buying UK made but remember the criticism I got a few years ago for supporting uk company's over cheap imports.
In reply to Post #18
The last one I had the delivery driver as soon as I'd opened the door was shouting ‘isolate, isolate'. Told him not to be so hard on himself as I'd only ordered half an hour ago.
The last one I had the delivery driver as soon as I'd opened the door was shouting ‘isolate, isolate'. Told him not to be so hard on himself as I'd only ordered half an hour ago.
In reply to Post #144
Quite right carp tax exists for sure.....
I'm still supporting GB though So practising what I preach. However the GB companies can't be lazy if we are to support them!!!!
Bit stalker like 😎. You need to get out more 🤣🤣🤣
My German bait boat is fine.....even UK manufacturers all use parts from elsewhere unless you know any different???
Quite right carp tax exists for sure.....
I'm still supporting GB though So practising what I preach. However the GB companies can't be lazy if we are to support them!!!!
Bit stalker like 😎. You need to get out more 🤣🤣🤣
My German bait boat is fine.....even UK manufacturers all use parts from elsewhere unless you know any different???
It would be nice if we could all buy 'Made in Britain', and even the materials were made in Britain, not sourced elsewhere.
While Century do make in the UK, they do get some of the carbon cloths from abroad, but NOT from China. I had a long email conversation with Simon Chilcott. China is embargoed from some technologies and materials, including some carbons. As a result some goods are not as high a standard as they could be.
China as a country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. How many people were 'relocated' when the valley was damned to provide hydroelectric power?
Carbon emissions from coal fired power stations, you could go on.
China has been supporting various regimes in the Middle East and worldwide to provide influence, and the same with various economies in goodness knows how many countries.
While Century do make in the UK, they do get some of the carbon cloths from abroad, but NOT from China. I had a long email conversation with Simon Chilcott. China is embargoed from some technologies and materials, including some carbons. As a result some goods are not as high a standard as they could be.
China as a country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. How many people were 'relocated' when the valley was damned to provide hydroelectric power?
Carbon emissions from coal fired power stations, you could go on.
China has been supporting various regimes in the Middle East and worldwide to provide influence, and the same with various economies in goodness knows how many countries.
In reply to Post #146
Not stalking at all, it just seem a bit odd that you moan about carp tax and silly price when tax and vat are the same on most non essential products. Those reel handle are a quality product made in the UK in small volume so I would expect the price to be relatively high. No different to UK rod manufactures really and they are using imported materials, if we are going to support UK manufacturing we all need to accept that the prices will bo higher than many imports.
Not stalking at all, it just seem a bit odd that you moan about carp tax and silly price when tax and vat are the same on most non essential products. Those reel handle are a quality product made in the UK in small volume so I would expect the price to be relatively high. No different to UK rod manufactures really and they are using imported materials, if we are going to support UK manufacturing we all need to accept that the prices will bo higher than many imports.
God there is some cr@p posted on this thread.
If you are using a computer or a mobile device over broadband or mobile data to post comments then you are supporting Chinese manufacturing and almost certainly handing their security service data, or access to data.
If you are using a computer or a mobile device over broadband or mobile data to post comments then you are supporting Chinese manufacturing and almost certainly handing their security service data, or access to data.
In reply to Post #148
👍👍. I was kidding Goose
Yeah agree but GB still need to compete a bit. There are some people that can't afford £75 for a handle but might stretch to £15 cheapo.....
Surely if the margins where a little finer they would sell more!!!
👍👍. I was kidding Goose
Yeah agree but GB still need to compete a bit. There are some people that can't afford £75 for a handle but might stretch to £15 cheapo.....
Surely if the margins where a little finer they would sell more!!!
China lied, people died.
I will look to buy British and pay extra/ Brexit can only help. Come on British manufacturers, put the Union Jack on goods made over here.
I will look to buy British and pay extra/ Brexit can only help. Come on British manufacturers, put the Union Jack on goods made over here.
In reply to Post #151
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Absolutely spot on 👍👍
Absolutely spot on 👍👍
In reply to Post #153
We're a small country with a small / ever shrinking manufacturing capability so whilst its nice to look at things through rose tinted spectacles whilst waving that Union Jack it's not going to happen.
You only have to look at the UKs struggles with this pandemic - shortage of gowns, reagents, ventilators, critical care beds & PPE.
Having to charter a plane to China to pick up 2.5m pcs of PPE this week.
Other European countries have done much better than us, I think we're better off in Europe as it's clear we can't stand up by ourselves
We need Europe & the world needs China .
Yep mine, your hearts may say one thing but we have to think with our heads.
We're a small country with a small / ever shrinking manufacturing capability so whilst its nice to look at things through rose tinted spectacles whilst waving that Union Jack it's not going to happen.
You only have to look at the UKs struggles with this pandemic - shortage of gowns, reagents, ventilators, critical care beds & PPE.
Having to charter a plane to China to pick up 2.5m pcs of PPE this week.
Other European countries have done much better than us, I think we're better off in Europe as it's clear we can't stand up by ourselves
We need Europe & the world needs China .
Yep mine, your hearts may say one thing but we have to think with our heads.
In reply to Post #154
I remember we did alright before belonging to Europe we had brexit the people don't want to belong to Europe and the reason that we have struggled to get ppe is because all the world wants it be better to find out how this started and punish those responsibility not keep running down the people that are doing there best to keep us alive I wouldn't want there job and the massive responsibility it holds
I remember we did alright before belonging to Europe we had brexit the people don't want to belong to Europe and the reason that we have struggled to get ppe is because all the world wants it be better to find out how this started and punish those responsibility not keep running down the people that are doing there best to keep us alive I wouldn't want there job and the massive responsibility it holds
In reply to Post #154
I think you're totally wrong –
PPE, I can walk for 15 minutes from leaving my front door to where two factories once stood, where they used to make PPE for most of Europe and the Military, a company called Vernon Carus
It‘s a while ago now, but the ratio was something like – cost to make one item here/for the same production cost in China = 150 of the same item!
Which you can expect when you factor in-
~ No Pensions to Pay
~ No Holiday Pay to pay
~ Zero working rights
~No Sick Pay (If your ill get off site and go back to your Paddy field!)
~ Cheap Energy Bills (as they don't give a toss about C02 emissions)
~ Cheap raw materials (Don't give a toss about destroying the environment getting it)
The list is endless; China is on a Parr with a modern version of the Victorian Sweat Shops that sparked the birth of Trade Unions in the civilised world, but with China it seems a case of “Out of sight out of mind” attitude prevails, and the only priority is “Profit, Profit, and more Profit!”
I think you're totally wrong –
PPE, I can walk for 15 minutes from leaving my front door to where two factories once stood, where they used to make PPE for most of Europe and the Military, a company called Vernon Carus
It‘s a while ago now, but the ratio was something like – cost to make one item here/for the same production cost in China = 150 of the same item!
Which you can expect when you factor in-
~ No Pensions to Pay
~ No Holiday Pay to pay
~ Zero working rights
~No Sick Pay (If your ill get off site and go back to your Paddy field!)
~ Cheap Energy Bills (as they don't give a toss about C02 emissions)
~ Cheap raw materials (Don't give a toss about destroying the environment getting it)
The list is endless; China is on a Parr with a modern version of the Victorian Sweat Shops that sparked the birth of Trade Unions in the civilised world, but with China it seems a case of “Out of sight out of mind” attitude prevails, and the only priority is “Profit, Profit, and more Profit!”
In reply to Post #156
Make you right 100% Keith 👍👍
It's the ‘well that's how it is attitude' that we need to turn around into a ‘that's not right attitude'
Just accepting things for what they are means nothing ever changes.
Make you right 100% Keith 👍👍
It's the ‘well that's how it is attitude' that we need to turn around into a ‘that's not right attitude'
Just accepting things for what they are means nothing ever changes.
In reply to Post #156
Also look at the over management within the NHS, all the service providers Inc ppe contracted to private company's milking it and when they can't meet the demand other suppliers have to go through them so they still get their markup. Senior managers that don't know how to run a hospital.
Also look at the over management within the NHS, all the service providers Inc ppe contracted to private company's milking it and when they can't meet the demand other suppliers have to go through them so they still get their markup. Senior managers that don't know how to run a hospital.
In reply to Post #156
There are not many companies in the U.K. that can compete with that, and that's the sad reality
We could make premium products in the U.K. like we used to do but what will happen, same as before, they will copy them and under cut the manufacturers. Some people need to open their eyes because all these businesses flogging over priced Chinese crap are doing nothing for the economy in this country or the people who buy their products by creating jobs. They are simply buying and selling mass produced cheap crap, minimum outlet maximum profit and supporting the Chinese economy by doing so 🇨🇳
Remember, a lot of them are nothing more than Sales Outfits waving a fancy badge for the products they are flogging. They are doing nothing for the U.K. other than providing a product to line their pockets.
I have nothing but respect for any U.K. manufacturing business doing the right things and trying to compete against this farce
There a few ways to stop it, massive imports taxes etc etc
There are not many companies in the U.K. that can compete with that, and that's the sad reality
We could make premium products in the U.K. like we used to do but what will happen, same as before, they will copy them and under cut the manufacturers. Some people need to open their eyes because all these businesses flogging over priced Chinese crap are doing nothing for the economy in this country or the people who buy their products by creating jobs. They are simply buying and selling mass produced cheap crap, minimum outlet maximum profit and supporting the Chinese economy by doing so 🇨🇳
Remember, a lot of them are nothing more than Sales Outfits waving a fancy badge for the products they are flogging. They are doing nothing for the U.K. other than providing a product to line their pockets.
I have nothing but respect for any U.K. manufacturing business doing the right things and trying to compete against this farce
There a few ways to stop it, massive imports taxes etc etc
In reply to Post #159
To be fair the people importing cheap rebranded tat are generating jobs and tax revenue with transportation, marketing and sales. We just miss out on the manufacturing
If we were to move back to uk manufacturing, to keep to realistic pricing, sales would be better made directly to the consumer with minimal marketing.
To be fair the people importing cheap rebranded tat are generating jobs and tax revenue with transportation, marketing and sales. We just miss out on the manufacturing
If we were to move back to uk manufacturing, to keep to realistic pricing, sales would be better made directly to the consumer with minimal marketing.
In reply to Post #158
Senior managers that don't know how to run a hospital....but they do know how to keep to their buget.
Senior managers that don't know how to run a hospital....but they do know how to keep to their buget.
How many of the GB only advocates have also advocated Bank Tackle on here? Surely one of the worst offenders for shipping dirt cheap stuff over from China at a huge mark up?
I'm well aware that Korda etc also buy their terminal tackle from factories in China, but at least there is a bit of design and R&D done in this country. Still not great.
But companies like Bank just straight rip off that design and R&D and undercut the prices selling direct, therefore also cutting out the tackle shops.
I'm well aware that Korda etc also buy their terminal tackle from factories in China, but at least there is a bit of design and R&D done in this country. Still not great.
But companies like Bank just straight rip off that design and R&D and undercut the prices selling direct, therefore also cutting out the tackle shops.
In reply to Post #162
I think there is a balance to be had. Dirt cheap stuff as you say fine, import it from China or wherever.
Anything that requires a bit more skill e.g. rods, reels, alarms, bankware, hooks etc try to buy British if you think there's merit in doing so.
Is it possible to buy a British made carp reel? I guess not due to the assembly being so labour intensive.
I think there is a balance to be had. Dirt cheap stuff as you say fine, import it from China or wherever.
Anything that requires a bit more skill e.g. rods, reels, alarms, bankware, hooks etc try to buy British if you think there's merit in doing so.
Is it possible to buy a British made carp reel? I guess not due to the assembly being so labour intensive.
In reply to Post #161
And sadly that is what the poor people and countries of the world have to do. The empire is long gone.
And sadly that is what the poor people and countries of the world have to do. The empire is long gone.
In reply to Post #163
I can't see the logic here?
To have a completely British made reel you would need the tooling to make hundreds, if not thousands of individual components. You would also need the availability of a wide range of British made materials produce these components. The cost of assembly would be minor compared to this.
Making a British made swivel, for example, is much more plausible. Machinery for minimal components and a single material and coating treatment.
The reality is that they would probably cost 10x as much and so the Britain First crew would laugh and still buy from Bank.
I can't see the logic here?
To have a completely British made reel you would need the tooling to make hundreds, if not thousands of individual components. You would also need the availability of a wide range of British made materials produce these components. The cost of assembly would be minor compared to this.
Making a British made swivel, for example, is much more plausible. Machinery for minimal components and a single material and coating treatment.
The reality is that they would probably cost 10x as much and so the Britain First crew would laugh and still buy from Bank.
In reply to Post #163
We need to get away with thinking all China are capable of making is cheap stuff and blatant copying.
Look at the new huawei p30 pro great camera which is capable of taking fantastic pictures.
There are many more products.
For example so many US / European semiconductor (the IC that go in all electronic products) companies are reliant on China it's an important maket, which in hand fuels our economy's growth.
For decades yes the west funded the east they flooded the market with cheap copies & still do but they have moved on to become great innovators also did anyone ever watch Reggie in China (you can watch it on BBC iplayer) it's a real eye opener when he visited Shenzhen.
Eventually AI / machine learning - aka the rise of the machines will take many many more jobs even from the low cost countries - were a species in danger of becoming redundant - so who will we blame then ?
So I'll keep supporting our tackle shops by using them and not chasing down the price as sadly many do.
We need to get away with thinking all China are capable of making is cheap stuff and blatant copying.
Look at the new huawei p30 pro great camera which is capable of taking fantastic pictures.
There are many more products.
For example so many US / European semiconductor (the IC that go in all electronic products) companies are reliant on China it's an important maket, which in hand fuels our economy's growth.
For decades yes the west funded the east they flooded the market with cheap copies & still do but they have moved on to become great innovators also did anyone ever watch Reggie in China (you can watch it on BBC iplayer) it's a real eye opener when he visited Shenzhen.
Eventually AI / machine learning - aka the rise of the machines will take many many more jobs even from the low cost countries - were a species in danger of becoming redundant - so who will we blame then ?
So I'll keep supporting our tackle shops by using them and not chasing down the price as sadly many do.
Unfortunatly convenience is now one of the biggest factors when people are choosing a product along with price, I very much doubt any more than 1% of the UK population look at where an item is made and whether it has being made by workers in safe/well paid and secure positions.
I look at China as a legal sweat shop, have a good google for working conditions/rights etc and you will be shocked, it is far worse than I imagined and keep in mind China are renowned for censoring what they allow to go online.
The problam we would face IMO going with UK only products is the fact that we have so few factories left. I was watching a cool documentary on YouTube yesterday about a brand of scissors which are hand made in the UK and cost around £100 a pair, a quick look on Amazon and 'Replicas' are going for around a fiver!!!
Video Here Have a watch and listen to how much pride Cliff has for his work (around 6 minutes)
I look at China as a legal sweat shop, have a good google for working conditions/rights etc and you will be shocked, it is far worse than I imagined and keep in mind China are renowned for censoring what they allow to go online.
The problam we would face IMO going with UK only products is the fact that we have so few factories left. I was watching a cool documentary on YouTube yesterday about a brand of scissors which are hand made in the UK and cost around £100 a pair, a quick look on Amazon and 'Replicas' are going for around a fiver!!!
Video Here Have a watch and listen to how much pride Cliff has for his work (around 6 minutes)
In reply to Post #167
There are great number of UK workers who are not in safe, well paid and secure positions. A lot of people have to buy the cheapest products and do not have the luxury of choice even with essentials.
There are great number of UK workers who are not in safe, well paid and secure positions. A lot of people have to buy the cheapest products and do not have the luxury of choice even with essentials.
In reply to Post #156
British steel, been crippled by Chinese steel imports, HS2, using Chinese steel, when will we ever learn, first we don't need HS2, can work from home etc, plus we love kicking ourselves in the nuts
British steel, been crippled by Chinese steel imports, HS2, using Chinese steel, when will we ever learn, first we don't need HS2, can work from home etc, plus we love kicking ourselves in the nuts
I think I am correct in saying this. A number of years ago the countries of the EU, being concerned with poor quality subsidised low cost Chinese steel damaging their own industries got together to apply sanctions. One country applied their veto and no action was possible. No prizes for guessing who.
In reply to Post #169
Sorry but that's not correct. China's steel output 40 years ago was the same size as the UK.
Today they produce half the worlds steel. This has been driven by their development which had turned once rice fields into city's full of skyscrapers .Their population is 1.3 billion to our 64 million. The rest of the world for the last decade has been also supplying China as they did not have enough material. Though the price has now fallen due their slowing demand putting many companies out of business though our government wanted a low price to offset our high labour costs.
Sorry but that's not correct. China's steel output 40 years ago was the same size as the UK.
Today they produce half the worlds steel. This has been driven by their development which had turned once rice fields into city's full of skyscrapers .Their population is 1.3 billion to our 64 million. The rest of the world for the last decade has been also supplying China as they did not have enough material. Though the price has now fallen due their slowing demand putting many companies out of business though our government wanted a low price to offset our high labour costs.
In reply to Post #171
You don't appear to be a Luddite, if your labour costs are rising what are your options?
You don't appear to be a Luddite, if your labour costs are rising what are your options?
In reply to Post #169
Yep, your bang on
You only need to compare raw material costs or any product cost - it's a no brainer why companies use materials or have products made in China = massive profit margin.
It really is that simple.
But then you have to think "Why is China making stuff so phenomenally cheap compared to everywhere else?" What's the end game, what's the motive, why would you use your population as nothing more than glorified slaves?
Yep, your bang on
You only need to compare raw material costs or any product cost - it's a no brainer why companies use materials or have products made in China = massive profit margin.
It really is that simple.
But then you have to think "Why is China making stuff so phenomenally cheap compared to everywhere else?" What's the end game, what's the motive, why would you use your population as nothing more than glorified slaves?
In reply to Post #173
To be honest the whole of our economy is based on whats cheapest.
I run a building firm and when tendering from architects all the client is focused on is who is cheapest. Its endemic in everything we do - look at the rise of lidl - whoever is cheapest gets the business.
Not 100% I agree but 99% for sure.
Strange as everyone in this country is in more debt than they have ever been in yet everything is cheap!
To be honest the whole of our economy is based on whats cheapest.
I run a building firm and when tendering from architects all the client is focused on is who is cheapest. Its endemic in everything we do - look at the rise of lidl - whoever is cheapest gets the business.
Not 100% I agree but 99% for sure.
Strange as everyone in this country is in more debt than they have ever been in yet everything is cheap!
In reply to Post #173
"slaves".
Name me one Communist country that didn't treat it's populace as an expendable commodity?
"slaves".
Name me one Communist country that didn't treat it's populace as an expendable commodity?
Covid will result in deglobalisation to some extent for sure.
We know we are far too reliant on Asia. Macron has already been bold enough to say this.
This may apply to pharmaceuticals etc but carp gear? That will come down to whether we want British vs cheaper goods.
We know we are far too reliant on Asia. Macron has already been bold enough to say this.
This may apply to pharmaceuticals etc but carp gear? That will come down to whether we want British vs cheaper goods.
In reply to Post #176
It does not have to be just British-
My Reels are Swedish, French and British made.
Rods are 100% British made.
Line - American, hook link too.
My Alarms are British, and I also have a set of old JRC DSi's as well - can't remember now think they was Czech made.
Hook's - I have Norwegian, British and American (I bought old stock pre-Mustad's move to China) glad I did the price of old Partridge hooks has gone through the roof past few weeks!
Bivvy or Brolly - your stuffed it's Chinese or none, same with bedchairs and chairs.
It does not have to be just British-
My Reels are Swedish, French and British made.
Rods are 100% British made.
Line - American, hook link too.
My Alarms are British, and I also have a set of old JRC DSi's as well - can't remember now think they was Czech made.
Hook's - I have Norwegian, British and American (I bought old stock pre-Mustad's move to China) glad I did the price of old Partridge hooks has gone through the roof past few weeks!
Bivvy or Brolly - your stuffed it's Chinese or none, same with bedchairs and chairs.
In reply to Post #177
Not using penn any more then, Keith.
Because the models sold for carp fishing must be made in asia?
I know my torque spinning reel was USA made, but it was nearly 500 quid
Not using penn any more then, Keith.
Because the models sold for carp fishing must be made in asia?
I know my torque spinning reel was USA made, but it was nearly 500 quid
In reply to Post #178
Nope, I got a pristine set of Abu 54's - pure quality and about 40 years old.
Also have a brand new out of the box Mitchell 301a that was found in a loft, and some British Centre Pins too.
Nope, I got a pristine set of Abu 54's - pure quality and about 40 years old.
Also have a brand new out of the box Mitchell 301a that was found in a loft, and some British Centre Pins too.
In reply to Post #175
Cuba under Castro? The people were poor, but that was largely down to the American sanctions. Not ‘slaves' though, and everyone had access to good state run health care and education. At one stage I believe they were independently assessed as having 100% literacy, not something many capitalist set ups can claim.
Cuba under Castro? The people were poor, but that was largely down to the American sanctions. Not ‘slaves' though, and everyone had access to good state run health care and education. At one stage I believe they were independently assessed as having 100% literacy, not something many capitalist set ups can claim.
In reply to Post #179
They'll still be ticking away long after we're all gone
They'll still be ticking away long after we're all gone
In reply to Post #181
Yep your right, proper quality
If only Abu would start making 54's 55's or 57's in Sweden again to the same strict standards but with a larger capacity Spool/Rotor.
Yep your right, proper quality
If only Abu would start making 54's 55's or 57's in Sweden again to the same strict standards but with a larger capacity Spool/Rotor.
£7.99 for something made in China or £14.99 made in Britain?. Fortunately I'm in a position where i'm able to buy British made where I can. Unfortunately there's many many folk due to unemployment etc etc that wouldn't be able to buy British made goods and that to me is a travesty.
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