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SamB
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   Old Thread  #16 5 Feb 2024 at 10.44am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #14
I have used a rig ring type blowback rig in the past, not so much now.

However I would never have used the proper version with the big ring, nuisance fish, crayfish, carp (its not going to work 100% of the time) are going to render it inoperative, or at least way less efficient at least from time to time. You might still get fish, at worst its going to be a kind of "KD rig", and also you might not notice as when you reel in it may well go back over the eye due to the pressure on the bait pulling it back over.

I also dont belive that having the ring stop at the eye "defeats the whole purpose of being a blow-back". you are still getting the force of the bait acting at the eye (theoretically pulling the point in) when the fish blows the bait out, rather than up the shank (potentially flipping the point out).

Even that is just theory, maybe the ring works just because it allows a bit of extra movement so the bait does'nt get in the way of the hook, while allowing the bait to be a bit tighter to the hook than the original hairs ?

I have tied up D rigs with the (stiff) D extended up the hooklink, but never really used them. I see these are used by other people though now and I seem to think maybe even commercially available ?

ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #15 4 Feb 2024 at 8.59pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #13
I get your point mate, 100% . Just saying I don't agree as I've never experienced it myself. I've been using them for over 20 years I'd say and never once reeled one in with the ring back up over the eye with the bait tangled. I understand that if it was blown out and the rig would have behaved as expected, and the ring and bait ended up above the bait then it's not "reset" , but maybe I've just been lucky and it's been taken and hooked up anyway.
Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #14 4 Feb 2024 at 7.51pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #11
I'm glad someone else pointed this out. A true blowback rig won't reset when sucked it, or it defeats the whole purpose of being a blow back
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #13 4 Feb 2024 at 7.01pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #12
This may explain my point better Ö Jason Haywood on blow back rings, I generally use stiff materials for my hook links with around 10mm stripped back and had many a few times where the hair has come back wrapped round the hook link even with placing them by boat and looking at them sitting perfect through the spy glass

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ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #12 4 Feb 2024 at 12.09pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #11
Can't agree with that at all Andy. I've not had one come back tangled, and haven't had "aborted takes" at all. I fish them on a longshank hook, with a ring large enough to go back over the eye, with a snowman hookbait. Generally fished about 8-10 inch long rigs with semi fixed lead of 3.5oz or more
Maybe I've been lucky and if it's been blown out it's then been taken again every time
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #11 4 Feb 2024 at 11.49am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #10
By definition a blow back rig incorporates a rig ring large enough to pass over the eye of the hook. If youíve never had a blow back rig coming back tangled around the hook link then you arenít fishing a true blow back rig, you would have had aborted takes after 15 years of using it.
Ynnek
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   Old Thread  #10 4 Feb 2024 at 10.11am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #8
Never had that problemÖ
Fished blow back on curve shanks for at least 15years now.
This was the only bottombait rig I used to use.
Since last year I started using 50%of rigs silicone tubing to fixate the hair.
But this has other purposes. With a piece of silicone you can fixate the hair on other position without any issues.

When a rig ring is used, the ring is positioned opposite of the barb of the hook.
Using a bit of silicone allows me to fixate the hair in the bend of the hook without any issues.
Theoretically speaking it isnít a blow back rig anymore
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #9 3 Feb 2024 at 3.41pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
John Timmermans mentions the exact same problem Iím talking about in one of his videos, itís worth a watch
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #8 3 Feb 2024 at 3.39pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
It wonít reset if the bait is wrapped around the hooklink like I said. This can happen and has happened to me several times over the years, Iíve been using blow back rigs for around 30 years and have come to the conclusion they arenít worth the risk, hence me mentioning moving over to D rigs to alleviate this problem, proof is on the pudding so they say and havenít ever brought one back tangled and my hooked to landed ration is better to boot.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #7 2 Feb 2024 at 11.25pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #5
A fish sucking the bait will reset the rig. If a fish picks up the bait in it's lips and tests for resistance, then you need a braided or coiled supple coated braid or nylon rig. This is where a needle shsrp hook will get a run from a fish that would otherwise sit still and spit out a rig with a blunt hook. If you experience dropped pick ups tru sharpening your hook and shortening your hooklink. I have had this happen on some lakes in the past.
Jimmers532
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   Old Thread  #6 2 Feb 2024 at 9.05pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Iíve used silicone for years, holds the hair perfectly, never get tangles and hooks them really well, i use the Korda 0.5 tubing itís really robust good stuff. I swap between a curve and a wide gape depending on where Iím fishing, itís horses for courses mate maybe try one on each rod and see which you prefer 👍
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #5 30 Jan 2024 at 10.26pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Rig rings for a true blow back rig imo, although I swapped over to D rigs a few years back as I donít like the thought of the rig not resetting itself properly in case of ejection as there is nothing stopping the ring being blown right up to the eye and the hair tangling around the hooklink
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #4 30 Jan 2024 at 1.58pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Rig rings , using tubing isn't really a blowback rig imo, and doesn't have the movement I think the rig needs to work properly
Erik1926
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   Old Thread  #3 30 Jan 2024 at 12.20pm    Login    Register
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mark1009
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   Old Thread  #2 30 Jan 2024 at 10.40am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
I've tried them all, gone back to rig rings, but hold the hair in place with pva nuggets cut to size and squashed.
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