In reply to Post #120
We already get charged per mile via the tax on fuel...
We already get charged per mile via the tax on fuel...
In reply to Post #121
Yes, also you have to pay road tax based on your vehicle emissions.
And on top of this you might have to pay again.
I don't do much driving myself but if it was to happen it would hurt a lot of people who genuinely need to drive.
Yes, also you have to pay road tax based on your vehicle emissions.
And on top of this you might have to pay again.
I don't do much driving myself but if it was to happen it would hurt a lot of people who genuinely need to drive.
In reply to Post #122
So.. given the effect on the environment... and on the health of London residents- particularly when it comes to respiratory related conditions... can you see the flip side in terms of the need to reduce City emissions?
I lived there for 12 years and would relish the chance to get out of the poor air quality
Even the dreaded ltn's could be seen to be a positive in this aspect
Although I'm with you on the ridiculousness when it comes to emergency vehicles
So.. given the effect on the environment... and on the health of London residents- particularly when it comes to respiratory related conditions... can you see the flip side in terms of the need to reduce City emissions?
I lived there for 12 years and would relish the chance to get out of the poor air quality
Even the dreaded ltn's could be seen to be a positive in this aspect
Although I'm with you on the ridiculousness when it comes to emergency vehicles
In reply to Post #119
I looked into the situation in Manchester with Andy Burnham and his version of whatever it is called, where you pay to enter a low emission zone (across the whole of greater manchester) in any commercial vehicle.
The conservative government put the low emissions targets into law I think in 2017, so all mayors have to implement schemes that can be evidenced to meet the low emissions targets.
We need to turn the problem on it's head and understand why people are making car journeys in built up areas, then remove the causes. We also need to turn car ownership on its head. I do 25k miles a year, 99.99% of that is me alone in my car, but I have a family of 5 and I go fishing so I have a large estate car. Electric vehicle ownership is not compatible with my life. But if I could own or rent a modular electric vehicle which was small enough for me, but then add bits on when needed, or swap it for a larger one when needed, then that would cut emissions and congestion massively. We also need to crack on with autonomous vehicle technology so that traffic jams can become a thing of the past.
I looked into the situation in Manchester with Andy Burnham and his version of whatever it is called, where you pay to enter a low emission zone (across the whole of greater manchester) in any commercial vehicle.
The conservative government put the low emissions targets into law I think in 2017, so all mayors have to implement schemes that can be evidenced to meet the low emissions targets.
We need to turn the problem on it's head and understand why people are making car journeys in built up areas, then remove the causes. We also need to turn car ownership on its head. I do 25k miles a year, 99.99% of that is me alone in my car, but I have a family of 5 and I go fishing so I have a large estate car. Electric vehicle ownership is not compatible with my life. But if I could own or rent a modular electric vehicle which was small enough for me, but then add bits on when needed, or swap it for a larger one when needed, then that would cut emissions and congestion massively. We also need to crack on with autonomous vehicle technology so that traffic jams can become a thing of the past.
In reply to Post #123
As I say I don't drive much and my next car will by electric or hydrogen cell if they become viable. So this is not about me moaning about having to pay vast amounts of money, but I am mindful that there are low paid workers working unsociable hours who can't afford new cars. Then we have people who can't work without vehicles, tradesmen for example. Meanwhile Khan drives about in a massive Range Rover.
I don't know about the rest of London but in the south east almost all of the LTNs are in the wealthy parts, areas where influential people live who have control over the councils. Traffic is moved out of these areas and dumped onto neighbouring roads, many of the roads are main roads where the poorer people live and where car ownership is low. These people already had to put up with traffic now they have to put up with someone else's so they can gentrify their areas.
We had a expensive consultation for our local LTN and it was overwhelmingly unpopular but under the recommendation of 3 councillors that live there it was ignored and is going to be made permanent and enhanced with trees, benches and pedestrianised areas. Then the rest of the borough is told there's no money and blame central government.
Last week another councillor recommended another road to be included, the one he lives in.
This is a Labour borough by the way, and they say Westminster is corrupt
@VLT
It will be interesting to see how Manchester gets on. Maybe Burnham will be able to show Khan how it's supposed to be done.
As I say I don't drive much and my next car will by electric or hydrogen cell if they become viable. So this is not about me moaning about having to pay vast amounts of money, but I am mindful that there are low paid workers working unsociable hours who can't afford new cars. Then we have people who can't work without vehicles, tradesmen for example. Meanwhile Khan drives about in a massive Range Rover.
I don't know about the rest of London but in the south east almost all of the LTNs are in the wealthy parts, areas where influential people live who have control over the councils. Traffic is moved out of these areas and dumped onto neighbouring roads, many of the roads are main roads where the poorer people live and where car ownership is low. These people already had to put up with traffic now they have to put up with someone else's so they can gentrify their areas.
We had a expensive consultation for our local LTN and it was overwhelmingly unpopular but under the recommendation of 3 councillors that live there it was ignored and is going to be made permanent and enhanced with trees, benches and pedestrianised areas. Then the rest of the borough is told there's no money and blame central government.
Last week another councillor recommended another road to be included, the one he lives in.
This is a Labour borough by the way, and they say Westminster is corrupt
@VLT
It will be interesting to see how Manchester gets on. Maybe Burnham will be able to show Khan how it's supposed to be done.
In reply to Post #125
Lambeth by any chance
Lambeth by any chance
In reply to Post #126
Lambeth, Southwark, Greenwich and Lewisham.
Relatively poor boroughs but each one having areas of affluence.
Lambeth, Southwark, Greenwich and Lewisham.
Relatively poor boroughs but each one having areas of affluence.
In reply to Post #127
I'm in Lambeth not far from border with Southwark.
I'm in Lambeth not far from border with Southwark.
In reply to Post #128
I'm not too familiar with the Lambeth one but I know it went to a court of appeal last Thursday.
It's a disabled persons severely restricted access to the her home because of a LTN Versus Lambeth Council No outcome yet
As you know Dulwich is in Southwark. That LTN causes massive problems to the majority to benefit a minority of well to do people.
LINK
I'm not too familiar with the Lambeth one but I know it went to a court of appeal last Thursday.
It's a disabled persons severely restricted access to the her home because of a LTN Versus Lambeth Council No outcome yet
As you know Dulwich is in Southwark. That LTN causes massive problems to the majority to benefit a minority of well to do people.
LINK
In reply to Post #129
Did you see this one?
Sorry for not a quick link. Pain to do on my phone
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-60068328
Did you see this one?
Sorry for not a quick link. Pain to do on my phone
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-60068328
In reply to Post #130
No, so thanks.
Just to be clear I'm not some petrol head who doesn't care about the environment, I'm not against sensible cyclists.
I just want 'Healthy Streets For All'
No, so thanks.
Just to be clear I'm not some petrol head who doesn't care about the environment, I'm not against sensible cyclists.
I just want 'Healthy Streets For All'
Smart motorways are schemes introduced with all good intentions but the reality is somewhat different.
Taking aside for one moments that many LTNs have been introduced by selfish nimby's, whatever the intentions good or bad this can be the consequences of traffic calming schemes.
LINK
Taking aside for one moments that many LTNs have been introduced by selfish nimby's, whatever the intentions good or bad this can be the consequences of traffic calming schemes.
LINK
In reply to Post #132
Do the councils have any control over those bike lanes tho? Isn't it tfl who decided to **** the roads up?
The ltns are a different story, I'm glad to say there aren't any near me, just the odd restrictions on rat run roads past schools at pick up and drop off times
Do the councils have any control over those bike lanes tho? Isn't it tfl who decided to **** the roads up?
The ltns are a different story, I'm glad to say there aren't any near me, just the odd restrictions on rat run roads past schools at pick up and drop off times
In reply to Post #133
Yes it's TfL who mainly responsible for cycle lanes and the cause of the delays in that video.
I'm not against cycling and I can see the need for some cycle lanes but most of the new ones are just ****
LTNs are also to blame LINK
Yes it's TfL who mainly responsible for cycle lanes and the cause of the delays in that video.
I'm not against cycling and I can see the need for some cycle lanes but most of the new ones are just ****
LTNs are also to blame LINK
In reply to Post #134
The funny thing with the ltn in tooting, it doesn't really affect traffic since the main road is so choked up by the bike lanes, the drivers who would have turned off and used fishponds Rd are now avoiding the route altogether, putting more traffic into nicer parts in the area.
I used to use that route all the time but since the traffic is solid from south Wimbledon to tooting bec most days I haven't been near there in ages.
The only downside for me is it puts much more traffic on the route I cycle, I don't cycle on the segregated path because pedestrians on tooting high street jump in front the van without a care in the world, let alone a bicycle. I would have preferred a barrier to the pavement than to the traffic
The funny thing with the ltn in tooting, it doesn't really affect traffic since the main road is so choked up by the bike lanes, the drivers who would have turned off and used fishponds Rd are now avoiding the route altogether, putting more traffic into nicer parts in the area.
I used to use that route all the time but since the traffic is solid from south Wimbledon to tooting bec most days I haven't been near there in ages.
The only downside for me is it puts much more traffic on the route I cycle, I don't cycle on the segregated path because pedestrians on tooting high street jump in front the van without a care in the world, let alone a bicycle. I would have preferred a barrier to the pavement than to the traffic