In reply to Post #106
To be fair I would rather not converse with you so that simple answer was easier.......add the fact you edit your posts so much and reply's may look out of place......
To be fair I would rather not converse with you so that simple answer was easier.......add the fact you edit your posts so much and reply's may look out of place......
In reply to Post #107
Believe me the feelings mutual, not the way the world works however. Not surprised in the slightest you'd rather not, the maverick Wayne works, the sensible, rational, intelligent Wayne needs plenty of work
Believe me the feelings mutual, not the way the world works however. Not surprised in the slightest you'd rather not, the maverick Wayne works, the sensible, rational, intelligent Wayne needs plenty of work
In reply to Post #109
Agreed, but just ref: herd immunity, that will eventually be the way we deal with it each year / season. Same as flu, every season we have a flu epidemic which ends with herd immunity. Covid will be along the same lines but while protecting the vulnerable as best we can.
Agreed, but just ref: herd immunity, that will eventually be the way we deal with it each year / season. Same as flu, every season we have a flu epidemic which ends with herd immunity. Covid will be along the same lines but while protecting the vulnerable as best we can.
In reply to Post #109
I read today of some discussions around slightly different techniques for vaccines, which might work better / be more resistant to virus mutation. All sounded very complicated.
I read today of some discussions around slightly different techniques for vaccines, which might work better / be more resistant to virus mutation. All sounded very complicated.
In reply to Post #109
this thing will keep mutating and keep infecting people - just like the common cold except this will be one that can **** you up for life or kill you
Like I said earlier the SD and Mask wearing will make the common cold far more deadly.......you only have to read the comments from people on here who have had it recently and it's kicking our arses! Same applies to Flu.
If I'm in a enclosed space with lots of people which I never am to be fair I will wear a mask, shopping I don't as I generally don't get with 2 metres of people due to trolley rage......
I'm pretty much back to normal now and will hopefully keep getting colds again as that was a rough 2 weeks
this thing will keep mutating and keep infecting people - just like the common cold except this will be one that can **** you up for life or kill you
Like I said earlier the SD and Mask wearing will make the common cold far more deadly.......you only have to read the comments from people on here who have had it recently and it's kicking our arses! Same applies to Flu.
If I'm in a enclosed space with lots of people which I never am to be fair I will wear a mask, shopping I don't as I generally don't get with 2 metres of people due to trolley rage......
I'm pretty much back to normal now and will hopefully keep getting colds again as that was a rough 2 weeks
In reply to Post #109
Covid in modern times and the plague in the 14th century are a little different
The plague is also still about in Africa
Nobody is going to turn around and say covid is a hoax, it isn't. But we may discover global modification of human genetics was unnecessary.
It's the high risk of aneurysm I have anyway that's making me reluctant. As well as the fact I don't take any synthetic drugs, especially ones that alter your bloody immune system! Just doesn't sit right with me and I'm gambling accidental/unfortunate possible death against consenting possible death
Covid in modern times and the plague in the 14th century are a little different
The plague is also still about in Africa
Nobody is going to turn around and say covid is a hoax, it isn't. But we may discover global modification of human genetics was unnecessary.
It's the high risk of aneurysm I have anyway that's making me reluctant. As well as the fact I don't take any synthetic drugs, especially ones that alter your bloody immune system! Just doesn't sit right with me and I'm gambling accidental/unfortunate possible death against consenting possible death
In reply to Post #112
. '....pretty much back to normal ....'
Is that 'new normal' , 'Wayne normal' or something close to what sane human beings would consider to be 'normal normal ' ?
. '....pretty much back to normal ....'
Is that 'new normal' , 'Wayne normal' or something close to what sane human beings would consider to be 'normal normal ' ?
In reply to Post #114
Wayne normal which is as normal as you can get Mal.......
Wayne normal which is as normal as you can get Mal.......
In reply to Post #115
Nurse... Mr Wayne is ready to be discharged. He's talking pish again so obviously feeling his old self...
Nurse... Mr Wayne is ready to be discharged. He's talking pish again so obviously feeling his old self...
In reply to Post #118
Didn't the smallpox vaccine stop people getting it... the covid vaccine certainly doesn't. It's as relevant as comparing covid to the bubonic plague 700 years ago.
Did you swallow a whole copy of the guardian or just a few pages?
Christ almighty, jabbed people have spread the latest variant, who else is travelling?
Clearly you can't have a discussion without signalling your moral and intellectual superiority
How can a mutation of a virus have an R value? The setting in which it is found determines that, you certainly won't infect 3.4 people in the wilderness and you may infect 34 people on a tube train.
Or is that an estimate.. because there's been plenty of those proved to be nonsense
Didn't the smallpox vaccine stop people getting it... the covid vaccine certainly doesn't. It's as relevant as comparing covid to the bubonic plague 700 years ago.
Did you swallow a whole copy of the guardian or just a few pages?
Christ almighty, jabbed people have spread the latest variant, who else is travelling?
Clearly you can't have a discussion without signalling your moral and intellectual superiority
How can a mutation of a virus have an R value? The setting in which it is found determines that, you certainly won't infect 3.4 people in the wilderness and you may infect 34 people on a tube train.
Or is that an estimate.. because there's been plenty of those proved to be nonsense
In reply to Post #119
It didn't stop everyone from getting it, what it did do was prevent enough people from getting it that the virus had nowhere to go. You may have heard of herd immunity, that's what that is. Nearly two years into a pandemic you'd think people would have picked up at least some of the basics.
It didn't stop everyone from getting it, what it did do was prevent enough people from getting it that the virus had nowhere to go. You may have heard of herd immunity, that's what that is. Nearly two years into a pandemic you'd think people would have picked up at least some of the basics.
In reply to Post #120
Same as natural infection then. The definition of herd immunity accounts for natural and vaccine immunity. Or do you also believe that previous infection doesn't train the immune system?
Same as natural infection then. The definition of herd immunity accounts for natural and vaccine immunity. Or do you also believe that previous infection doesn't train the immune system?
In reply to Post #121
It does but the difficulties of achieving herd immunity for Covid-19 are well documented. Not least of which is how much protection a previous infection gives you (20% could have none at all according to the data from the ZOE study) and how long it lasts. Or the problems that allowing a disease that hospitalises a large amount of people for days on end will do to health services.
If post-infection immunity could lead to herd immunity (which at the moment the data suggest it won't) then it would require massive amounts of the population to get the disease on a regular basis until eradication.
It does but the difficulties of achieving herd immunity for Covid-19 are well documented. Not least of which is how much protection a previous infection gives you (20% could have none at all according to the data from the ZOE study) and how long it lasts. Or the problems that allowing a disease that hospitalises a large amount of people for days on end will do to health services.
If post-infection immunity could lead to herd immunity (which at the moment the data suggest it won't) then it would require massive amounts of the population to get the disease on a regular basis until eradication.
In reply to Post #122
According to the news today millions have as good as zero protection from 2 AZ shots but 70%+ with a booster. You really couldn't make up the convenience of a vaccine evading variant coinciding with the stuttering booster rollout. Theoretically then, if I did have covid in recent weeks or months I could well be better protected than early double dose AZ recipients or be statistically safer than; for example, a triple jabbed rotund asthmatic/diabetic.
Going back to smallpox, that (live/natural) vaccine protects at 90 odd % for 3-5 years, with a disease that has a 30% mortality rate in the unvaccinated.... covid (partially synthetic?), about 6 months and 1-2% mortality rate.... I'm all for effective vaccinations, but what's at to our disposal right now isn't working as well as the virtue signalling would suggest in the healthy population.
Thanks for at least replying politely even though you clearly think I'm an idiot
According to the news today millions have as good as zero protection from 2 AZ shots but 70%+ with a booster. You really couldn't make up the convenience of a vaccine evading variant coinciding with the stuttering booster rollout. Theoretically then, if I did have covid in recent weeks or months I could well be better protected than early double dose AZ recipients or be statistically safer than; for example, a triple jabbed rotund asthmatic/diabetic.
Going back to smallpox, that (live/natural) vaccine protects at 90 odd % for 3-5 years, with a disease that has a 30% mortality rate in the unvaccinated.... covid (partially synthetic?), about 6 months and 1-2% mortality rate.... I'm all for effective vaccinations, but what's at to our disposal right now isn't working as well as the virtue signalling would suggest in the healthy population.
Thanks for at least replying politely even though you clearly think I'm an idiot
In reply to Post #123
There's definitely a form of herd immunity or natural protection as you say, before I had my first jab which I think was in September (only had my second in nov) becca had covid twice and I isolated indoors twice with her. Both times I was absolutely fine
There's definitely a form of herd immunity or natural protection as you say, before I had my first jab which I think was in September (only had my second in nov) becca had covid twice and I isolated indoors twice with her. Both times I was absolutely fine