In reply to Post #28
Dave Moore
"I m a great believer in using Betaine HC1 not because of its attraction qualities, but as an aid to the digestive process. The hydrochloric acid portion of this product helps breakdown proteins and aids trypsin digestion. It is also very water soluble so it can be used comfortably at moderate levels. In fish meal based baits I will use this product at this time of the year up to a level of 20g per 500g of dry mix. In any bait that has a high milk protein content I will reduce that by about 25%. This is mainly due to the bait texture; milk protein baits have a tendency to form a tighter structure and absorb water at a lower rate."
Ian Moore (CCMoore)
"We recommend using Betaine at 2%+ as used in the aquaculture industry whereas many companies suggest 0.2-0.5% inclusion which is really not worth using.
Dave Moore
"I m a great believer in using Betaine HC1 not because of its attraction qualities, but as an aid to the digestive process. The hydrochloric acid portion of this product helps breakdown proteins and aids trypsin digestion. It is also very water soluble so it can be used comfortably at moderate levels. In fish meal based baits I will use this product at this time of the year up to a level of 20g per 500g of dry mix. In any bait that has a high milk protein content I will reduce that by about 25%. This is mainly due to the bait texture; milk protein baits have a tendency to form a tighter structure and absorb water at a lower rate."
Ian Moore (CCMoore)
"We recommend using Betaine at 2%+ as used in the aquaculture industry whereas many companies suggest 0.2-0.5% inclusion which is really not worth using.
In reply to Post #31
The only commercial bait that included 15g of betaine hcl per kg was DT/Cotswold Baits M-Tech.
The only commercial bait that included 15g of betaine hcl per kg was DT/Cotswold Baits M-Tech.
In reply to Post #32
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
In reply to Post #33
Because I know the person who used to roll it for them and I also have the recipe for it. Super high quality fishmeal with milk proteins.
Because I know the person who used to roll it for them and I also have the recipe for it. Super high quality fishmeal with milk proteins.
In reply to Post #34
Very good
Didn't M-Tech have enzymes in it too?
I remember the likes of TH moving onto it when it first came out
Very good
Didn't M-Tech have enzymes in it too?
I remember the likes of TH moving onto it when it first came out
In reply to Post #35
The recipe for the M-Tech was published in the Osprey Specimen Group & Friends book however there were a few things they missed out -
They also included a highly concentrated version of what is now Dynamite Baits Fish Gutz and the quoted 15g of betaine hcl.
The enzyme was called Digest-Ade and I used to be able to source it but not anymore.
Digest-Ade was originally introduced into the bait world via Cotswold/DT Baits. At that time it was only used in one bait called the M-Tech. The M-Tech basemix consisted of very high quality milk proteins and fishmeal which needed the Digest-Ade, especially in the winter, for the carp to utilise and digest the bait better.
It is a proteolytic enzyme-prepared through submerging of selected bacterium . The main component is Substilisin-a, a endoproteinase of the serine type. Recommended for human grade food. This has an active life of minimum 12 months.
Works well in ph levels 5.5-8.5 It does not need to be triggered, and you can actually see the protein breaking down.
Digest-ade helps to break down the protein chains turning them into free flowing aminos which the fish find easier to digest. To get the best from Digest-Ade then keep boiling times to an absolute minimum. You are looking for a bait with a soft, paste like centre, but a skin on the outside.
The original also included a flavour called Fish Frenzy which smelt highly of ammonia. Again almost impossible to find.
The recipe for the M-Tech was published in the Osprey Specimen Group & Friends book however there were a few things they missed out -
They also included a highly concentrated version of what is now Dynamite Baits Fish Gutz and the quoted 15g of betaine hcl.
The enzyme was called Digest-Ade and I used to be able to source it but not anymore.
Digest-Ade was originally introduced into the bait world via Cotswold/DT Baits. At that time it was only used in one bait called the M-Tech. The M-Tech basemix consisted of very high quality milk proteins and fishmeal which needed the Digest-Ade, especially in the winter, for the carp to utilise and digest the bait better.
It is a proteolytic enzyme-prepared through submerging of selected bacterium . The main component is Substilisin-a, a endoproteinase of the serine type. Recommended for human grade food. This has an active life of minimum 12 months.
Works well in ph levels 5.5-8.5 It does not need to be triggered, and you can actually see the protein breaking down.
Digest-ade helps to break down the protein chains turning them into free flowing aminos which the fish find easier to digest. To get the best from Digest-Ade then keep boiling times to an absolute minimum. You are looking for a bait with a soft, paste like centre, but a skin on the outside.
The original also included a flavour called Fish Frenzy which smelt highly of ammonia. Again almost impossible to find.
In reply to Post #36
Ah yes I remember seeing that somewhere before
I didn't realise dynamite fish gutz was such a renowned flavour too
Ah yes I remember seeing that somewhere before
I didn't realise dynamite fish gutz was such a renowned flavour too
In reply to Post #37
First time I saw M-Tech mentioned was by Rob Maylin saying it was a good bit of bait to Terry Hearn, that was around the time he was fishing Sonning Eye and baiting heavily by the rucksack load to feed off the monster shoals of bream, then switched over to M-Tech dabbled with it for a bit, probably cost DT a small fortune in boilies, then went back to Dynamite.
First time I saw M-Tech mentioned was by Rob Maylin saying it was a good bit of bait to Terry Hearn, that was around the time he was fishing Sonning Eye and baiting heavily by the rucksack load to feed off the monster shoals of bream, then switched over to M-Tech dabbled with it for a bit, probably cost DT a small fortune in boilies, then went back to Dynamite.
In reply to Post #38
Yep thats the one
I think there was quite a bit in BC at the time about MTech
Didn't Brian Parker have something to do with it?
Yep thats the one
I think there was quite a bit in BC at the time about MTech
Didn't Brian Parker have something to do with it?
In reply to Post #39
My memory was sparked, a quick delve into my A4 folders of interesting things in A4 sleeves from yesteryears magazines.... bingo - an article in Carpworld - The Terry Hearn Tapes, a 6 or 7 part series.
Found a advert from Cotswold baits it was Owner Chris Nicolaou and Brian Parker.
My memory was sparked, a quick delve into my A4 folders of interesting things in A4 sleeves from yesteryears magazines.... bingo - an article in Carpworld - The Terry Hearn Tapes, a 6 or 7 part series.
Found a advert from Cotswold baits it was Owner Chris Nicolaou and Brian Parker.
In reply to Post #40
M-tech was the first ever boilie I used that I caught on. It holds a special place in my heart and even when I've rolled the version below I've caught on it every time.
M-tech was the first ever boilie I used that I caught on. It holds a special place in my heart and even when I've rolled the version below I've caught on it every time.