In reply to Post #340
Cant agree with that m8 I think the split is more like 50/50 so we will have to agree to disagree
Cant agree with that m8 I think the split is more like 50/50 so we will have to agree to disagree
In reply to Post #337
All the companies do that, not just tackle companies. Mark something with a massive rrp then price it much less so it looks a bargain. Nash even put their rrp ssp and trade prices all in their trade price list so shops can advertise these big "discounts"
All the companies do that, not just tackle companies. Mark something with a massive rrp then price it much less so it looks a bargain. Nash even put their rrp ssp and trade prices all in their trade price list so shops can advertise these big "discounts"
In reply to Post #341
RRP is £850 but selling for £400......
RRP is £850 but selling for £400......
In reply to Post #343
Yeah,understand that. I worked in retail for near 40 years. If it's a genuine discount then RRP it to the hilt to maximise sales,but Cyprinus are just plucking large figures out of the air for their RRPs surely.
What next..Buy one get one free..Cost £849.99? 😂
Yeah,understand that. I worked in retail for near 40 years. If it's a genuine discount then RRP it to the hilt to maximise sales,but Cyprinus are just plucking large figures out of the air for their RRPs surely.
What next..Buy one get one free..Cost £849.99? 😂
In reply to Post #345
Got to agree rrp is just wishful thinking. It's what they sell for in the real world that counts.
Got to agree rrp is just wishful thinking. It's what they sell for in the real world that counts.
In reply to Post #341
Maybe they're just implying the top of the range tempest and some sort of extra this has, would cost £850?
Or that if they were not their own distributor, that is the retail equivalent you could be paying..
Or they're just full of ****
Maybe they're just implying the top of the range tempest and some sort of extra this has, would cost £850?
Or that if they were not their own distributor, that is the retail equivalent you could be paying..
Or they're just full of ****
this forum is the only time i hear/read complaints about the height of bivvies ... ive never heard it on the bank. A 1man bivvy has always been between 125cm-135cm .... If you want taller bivvy there are plenty of 2man bivvies that will give higher dimensions ... there are loads to choose from
In reply to Post #348
Fox R series XL best headroom 1 manner
Lovely bit of kit
Fox R series XL best headroom 1 manner
Lovely bit of kit
In reply to Post #348
facebook has plenty of moans too and the popularity of the Hide XL speaks for its self surely
facebook has plenty of moans too
and the popularity of the Hide XL speaks for its self surely
Time will tell, but I think Cyprinus have missed the point with this one. Everyone who owns the tempest brolly loves it, but some people don't want to spend £220 plus extras. Fair enough. If cyprinus would have ripped it off for £150 with their cheaper extras then those people are happy.
Instead they have marketed it as a semi premium product with a high RRP that they will discount to a still fairly premium price that looks good against their own RRP. As they are their own direct retailer the RRP is nonsense. I could sell my sweaty underpants on a website for £10 at a 90% discount from their £100 RRP. If it was my website.
The zip in groundsheet must be something the factory recommended in China, I can't see why anyone would want this. The cam locks also. Does it have anti twist poles? If not that is another step back.
Safe to say I won't be trading in my V2 brolly just yet
Instead they have marketed it as a semi premium product with a high RRP that they will discount to a still fairly premium price that looks good against their own RRP. As they are their own direct retailer the RRP is nonsense. I could sell my sweaty underpants on a website for £10 at a 90% discount from their £100 RRP. If it was my website.
The zip in groundsheet must be something the factory recommended in China, I can't see why anyone would want this. The cam locks also. Does it have anti twist poles? If not that is another step back.
Safe to say I won't be trading in my V2 brolly just yet
In reply to Post #351
Also, does anyone actually regulate hydrostatic head specification claims? Is there a guy with a 20,000 mm tube who holds it on the fabric of a test bivvy and looks for drips? Do they do the same test on the seams where you are actually likely to get a leak? Or the groundsheet, which is just as important, if not more at keeping damp out?
Also, does anyone actually regulate hydrostatic head specification claims? Is there a guy with a 20,000 mm tube who holds it on the fabric of a test bivvy and looks for drips? Do they do the same test on the seams where you are actually likely to get a leak? Or the groundsheet, which is just as important, if not more at keeping damp out?
In reply to Post #352
The RRP reflects the prices that other manufacturers are charging for a comparable system. I own two cyprinus shelters, both with wraps, and I've owned aqua and trakker in the past. The build quality of my cyprinus stuff is exactly the same, and considerably better than the fox shelter I had. So I'd say even at £300 it represents very good value for money.
On the seams, the waterproof integrity of any material is compromised, that's why they have taped seams. The hydrostatic head is only important on the main panels, to stop water coming through when hard rain is driving against them under force, or dripping through if water puddles on it somewhere.
Regarding the groundsheet, I've never seen one made of aquatex, so I'm not sure the hydrostatic head matters.
The RRP reflects the prices that other manufacturers are charging for a comparable system. I own two cyprinus shelters, both with wraps, and I've owned aqua and trakker in the past. The build quality of my cyprinus stuff is exactly the same, and considerably better than the fox shelter I had. So I'd say even at £300 it represents very good value for money.
On the seams, the waterproof integrity of any material is compromised, that's why they have taped seams. The hydrostatic head is only important on the main panels, to stop water coming through when hard rain is driving against them under force, or dripping through if water puddles on it somewhere.
Regarding the groundsheet, I've never seen one made of aquatex, so I'm not sure the hydrostatic head matters.
In reply to Post #353
hydrostatic head is test with a machine, the material is sealed over a pop of water, the material is claimed into place then pressure is pumped in. when the water starts to seep through the gauge give you the pressure reading not rocket science
hydrostatic head is test with a machine, the material is sealed over a pop of water, the material is claimed into place then pressure is pumped in. when the water starts to seep through the gauge give you the pressure reading not rocket science
In reply to Post #351
Safe to say I won't be trading in my V2 brolly just yet
Your post makes no sense imo buddy. I also wanted to see a cheapo TB but that's not what was released and not what we should be comparing it to or judging it against. It's a full bivvy system.
I hear they're working on a stripped out brolly version. If and when that's released then we can decide whether the price is any good or not.
The Typhoon was never intended to compete with the TB. It's competition to the Tempest Advanced 100 Bivvy (which is twice the price).
Safe to say I won't be trading in my V2 brolly just yet
Your post makes no sense imo buddy. I also wanted to see a cheapo TB but that's not what was released and not what we should be comparing it to or judging it against. It's a full bivvy system.
I hear they're working on a stripped out brolly version. If and when that's released then we can decide whether the price is any good or not.
The Typhoon was never intended to compete with the TB. It's competition to the Tempest Advanced 100 Bivvy (which is twice the price).
In reply to Post #354
I'm aware what a hydrostatic head is and how it would be tested in a factory. My point was does anyone actually check that the manufacturers claims are accurate? Would we even know if we had 15,000 instead of 20,000.
I'm aware what a hydrostatic head is and how it would be tested in a factory. My point was does anyone actually check that the manufacturers claims are accurate? Would we even know if we had 15,000 instead of 20,000.