In reply to Post #300
I was going to give this a rest for a while and give it a while before I came back but I take your anecdotal reference as an insult.
Let's keep this to LTNs and let's make it clear we all want clean air.
My experience is real, when the pro LTNers are challenged they always dismiss it as anecdotal and that their manipulated published data is the truth.
I have enough of them pissing me off without you joining in.
I could litter this post with good quality links to back this up but I will leave you with one.
These are the type of people that collate supposedly 'impartial' data
LINK
You'll notice that in that article Rachel Aldred gets a mention.
When people asked for impartial reviews they were told that Rachel Aldred's mob would do them, how the **** can she be impartial
Edit
Our local LTN displaces traffic onto the South Circular, the polluted road Ella Kissi-Debrah died.
It's now been manipulated to show traffic has decreased when in fact the traffic is so slow it's not being counted. LINK
More to see if you can be bothered
LINK
I was going to give this a rest for a while and give it a while before I came back but I take your anecdotal reference as an insult.
Let's keep this to LTNs and let's make it clear we all want clean air.
My experience is real, when the pro LTNers are challenged they always dismiss it as anecdotal and that their manipulated published data is the truth.
I have enough of them pissing me off without you joining in.
I could litter this post with good quality links to back this up but I will leave you with one.
These are the type of people that collate supposedly 'impartial' data
LINK
You'll notice that in that article Rachel Aldred gets a mention.
When people asked for impartial reviews they were told that Rachel Aldred's mob would do them, how the **** can she be impartial
Edit
Our local LTN displaces traffic onto the South Circular, the polluted road Ella Kissi-Debrah died.
It's now been manipulated to show traffic has decreased when in fact the traffic is so slow it's not being counted. LINK
More to see if you can be bothered
LINK
In reply to Post #301
I agree with you Bob, the amount of times I'll be a five minute walk from a job, but have to sit in traffic for another half an hour to get there beggars belief. ULEZ is a money grab, and ltns make life worse for everyone outside of them.
I've always hated driving in Central London, preferring to tube or cycle, but I can only do that once I've got all my kit there.
The way it's going tho it won't be long before I'm putting my tool kit on a pallet and posting it between jobs!
I agree with you Bob, the amount of times I'll be a five minute walk from a job, but have to sit in traffic for another half an hour to get there beggars belief. ULEZ is a money grab, and ltns make life worse for everyone outside of them.
I've always hated driving in Central London, preferring to tube or cycle, but I can only do that once I've got all my kit there.
The way it's going tho it won't be long before I'm putting my tool kit on a pallet and posting it between jobs!
I've lived in Zone 2 for the last 15 years. If I drive to the office it's about 8 miles and takes around an hour each way. Sh**, but you get used to it and I tear through podcasts and audio books. Our vans are always ULEZ compliant and by the end of the year we will be mostly full electric.
I hate the daft LTNs as much as the next guy, but actually agree with the theory of CC and ULEZ. Honest question. What other reasonable solutions are there to congestion and pollution in residential areas in central London?
The obvious one for me is ban school run drop off/pick up in a car (including taxi/uber) unless the parent or child has a disability that requires it. The difference in traffic across the city in school holiday time is huge. (also possibly due to people leaving town for holiday).
I hate the daft LTNs as much as the next guy, but actually agree with the theory of CC and ULEZ. Honest question. What other reasonable solutions are there to congestion and pollution in residential areas in central London?
The obvious one for me is ban school run drop off/pick up in a car (including taxi/uber) unless the parent or child has a disability that requires it. The difference in traffic across the city in school holiday time is huge. (also possibly due to people leaving town for holiday).
In reply to Post #303
The school drop off thing is being managed by school streets
"A School Street is a road outside a school with a temporary restriction on motorised traffic at school drop-off and pick-up times"
They are a good idea if they are properly managed but some of the ones around here are badly designed.
They often move the problem by parents parking in the next street along.
Around here they don't put in enough advanced warning signs, just a sign where the restriction starts so there's not enough time to read it, and if you can then there's not room to do a 3 point turn so putting pupils at risk.
That might make me sound like I'm against them, I'm not, it's just my council has a poor reputation on traffic schemes that they don't enforce properly
I had to take them to a tribunal once.
LINK
The school drop off thing is being managed by school streets
"A School Street is a road outside a school with a temporary restriction on motorised traffic at school drop-off and pick-up times"
They are a good idea if they are properly managed but some of the ones around here are badly designed.
They often move the problem by parents parking in the next street along.
Around here they don't put in enough advanced warning signs, just a sign where the restriction starts so there's not enough time to read it, and if you can then there's not room to do a 3 point turn so putting pupils at risk.
That might make me sound like I'm against them, I'm not, it's just my council has a poor reputation on traffic schemes that they don't enforce properly
I had to take them to a tribunal once.
LINK
In reply to Post #304
The school street thing is fine to try and stop the carnage of mums directly outside the school. It's no incentive to leave the car at home and has no affect on the unnecessary additional congestion caused 8.30-9.30 and 3-4pm across the whole city. Kids do not need to be chauffeur driven to school in London. The public transport system is more than adequate for the school run and the kids might actually learn something about how the city works if they're out and about in it every day.
The school street thing is fine to try and stop the carnage of mums directly outside the school. It's no incentive to leave the car at home and has no affect on the unnecessary additional congestion caused 8.30-9.30 and 3-4pm across the whole city. Kids do not need to be chauffeur driven to school in London. The public transport system is more than adequate for the school run and the kids might actually learn something about how the city works if they're out and about in it every day.
In reply to Post #305
I agree with that, especially parents that drop the kids off and go back home to watch TV.
However for some working parents with young kids the only way they can make things work is drop them off as they go to work.
I agree with that, especially parents that drop the kids off and go back home to watch TV.
However for some working parents with young kids the only way they can make things work is drop them off as they go to work.
In reply to Post #301
It wasn't meant as an insult - sorry if it came across that way.
On the school zone issue. Id like to see them widened. Ive seen enough kids hit by cars and injured - some life changing - to last me thankyou. But that just my anecdotal experience I guess...
You're right that for some it's necessary. And for many others it's very much not. And those that sit outside the school with kid and parent in the car heads stuck in mobike phones until the last minute with the bloody engine running....
It wasn't meant as an insult - sorry if it came across that way.
On the school zone issue. Id like to see them widened. Ive seen enough kids hit by cars and injured - some life changing - to last me thankyou. But that just my anecdotal experience I guess...
You're right that for some it's necessary. And for many others it's very much not. And those that sit outside the school with kid and parent in the car heads stuck in mobike phones until the last minute with the bloody engine running....
First, there came the flower beds blocking up cut through streets. Directing all traffic onto the main roads. We all wondered what on earth they were up too. They said it was to calm traffic in residential streets, but all it did was create more backlogs, absolute carnage & chaos.
Now the real reasons are becoming clear for the flower beds and road blockages over the past few years. This only happens on 'cut throughs'. The cameras are all going on the main roads. They want to stop anyone from being able to pop to the shops, or drop the kids to school.... WITHOUT being seen by one of the cameras.
Everything has seemingly been gearing up to this.
I really do not think they understand the backlash that all this is going to cause. We are getting fliers through the door quite often now in South London. The cameras are just going to get smashed to bits. No one is hiding the fact either.
Global warming. The reason for everything, being shoved down our throats on a monumental scale right now. I watched an amazing video yesterday. It's now 3 degrees cooler than when the Vikings were on these shores. It's 5 degrees cooler than when the bible was written. It's not warming up, it's actually cooling down.
Now the real reasons are becoming clear for the flower beds and road blockages over the past few years. This only happens on 'cut throughs'. The cameras are all going on the main roads. They want to stop anyone from being able to pop to the shops, or drop the kids to school.... WITHOUT being seen by one of the cameras.
Everything has seemingly been gearing up to this.
I really do not think they understand the backlash that all this is going to cause. We are getting fliers through the door quite often now in South London. The cameras are just going to get smashed to bits. No one is hiding the fact either.
Global warming. The reason for everything, being shoved down our throats on a monumental scale right now. I watched an amazing video yesterday. It's now 3 degrees cooler than when the Vikings were on these shores. It's 5 degrees cooler than when the bible was written. It's not warming up, it's actually cooling down.
In reply to Post #308
I live in South London and had no fliers about this.
I live in South London and had no fliers about this.
In reply to Post #309
Tinheads not done your street yet...
Tinheads not done your street yet...
In reply to Post #308
It's not just main roads.
These blocks displace traffic from one residential road to another, roads like mine.
I don't see it as a coincidence that the blocked roads are the ones where ex Mps, tfl officials, council officials and well off backers of local pressure groups live.
It's not just main roads.
These blocks displace traffic from one residential road to another, roads like mine.
I don't see it as a coincidence that the blocked roads are the ones where ex Mps, tfl officials, council officials and well off backers of local pressure groups live.
In reply to Post #310
In reply to Post #313
I note Birmingham has one though will it be classed as an essential service ?
I note Birmingham has one though will it be classed as an essential service ?
In reply to Post #314
Birmingham has just been declared bankrupt so they will need to get in as many fines as possible
Birmingham has just been declared bankrupt so they will need to get in as many fines as possible