It's not all about London and its mayor.
At least one mayor is open to change when they realise there is a problem
Bristol mayor want to reopen a closed road
At least one mayor is open to change when they realise there is a problem
Bristol mayor want to reopen a closed road
In reply to Post #288
If you believe he's 'on the side of the motorists ' then you've clearly breathed in too much CO2...
He's on the side of himself and the oil and energy giants
He saw the Uxbridge tory candidate win the seat based on ULEZ lies and thinks he can buy some votes
If you believe he's 'on the side of the motorists ' then you've clearly breathed in too much CO2...
He's on the side of himself and the oil and energy giants
He saw the Uxbridge tory candidate win the seat based on ULEZ lies and thinks he can buy some votes
In reply to Post #289
I would've preferred to hear he's on the side of the majority that suffer with displaced traffic so that a small minority get to gentrify their areas.
What do you mean by ULEZ lies?
Only liar is Khan and his money making scheme that hits the people who can least afford it.
I would've preferred to hear he's on the side of the majority that suffer with displaced traffic so that a small minority get to gentrify their areas.
What do you mean by ULEZ lies?
Only liar is Khan and his money making scheme that hits the people who can least afford it.
In reply to Post #290
Khan is Labour.
Ulez is just a massive stealth tax, specifically aimed at targeting the very poorest Londoners. All under the guise of going 'green'. It will only hurt the poor.
And Khan is Labour.
I stupidly thought Labour were meant to be the polar opposite to that.
Khan is Labour.
Ulez is just a massive stealth tax, specifically aimed at targeting the very poorest Londoners. All under the guise of going 'green'. It will only hurt the poor.
And Khan is Labour.
I stupidly thought Labour were meant to be the polar opposite to that.
In reply to Post #290
Come on tinhead.
You're not really fooled by rishi all of a sudden being the friend of the downtrodden motorist are you? He wasn't so friendly when petrol was over £2 per litre was he?
It's a vote grab. Are you going to be bought off by this horrible corrupt lot?
The tories have been funding and promoting this for ages and now this u turn is a way to get a few more votes. The uxbridge guy made promises he couldn't keep to get votes. That's the lie.
Remember it was a Tory mayor of London who brought this in. I wonder what happened to him...
Isn't your friend encouraging Starmer to stay strong on it rather than 'wobbling'?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ulez-sadiq-khan-london-labour-keir-starmer-b1096433.html
Come on tinhead.
You're not really fooled by rishi all of a sudden being the friend of the downtrodden motorist are you? He wasn't so friendly when petrol was over £2 per litre was he?
It's a vote grab. Are you going to be bought off by this horrible corrupt lot?
The tories have been funding and promoting this for ages and now this u turn is a way to get a few more votes. The uxbridge guy made promises he couldn't keep to get votes. That's the lie.
Remember it was a Tory mayor of London who brought this in. I wonder what happened to him...
Isn't your friend encouraging Starmer to stay strong on it rather than 'wobbling'?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ulez-sadiq-khan-london-labour-keir-starmer-b1096433.html
In reply to Post #292
The link I put up previously is about LTNs, I put it up not to be political, I put it up not as a downtrodden motorist, but a downtrodden resident whose life has been blighted by displaced traffic from a neighbourhood that shows off how nice it's been to be gentrified the last couple of years
LINK
As for the original small ULEZ (not the one extended by Khan in 2020) that was originally brought in a small area in the deepest part of congested central London, an area very well served by public transport.
Now it's going to be extended to remote countryside areas where public transport is almost non-existent as a money generating exercise, financed by the people that can least afford it.
Living just outside the current ULEZ I stand to gain as my street will be less affected by traffic which is currently trying to keep outside of the ULEZ but I still don't think it's fair.
Still, carry on recommending gas guzzling Volvo's
@TCarper
The link I put up previously is about LTNs, I put it up not to be political, I put it up not as a downtrodden motorist, but a downtrodden resident whose life has been blighted by displaced traffic from a neighbourhood that shows off how nice it's been to be gentrified the last couple of years
LINK
As for the original small ULEZ (not the one extended by Khan in 2020) that was originally brought in a small area in the deepest part of congested central London, an area very well served by public transport.
Now it's going to be extended to remote countryside areas where public transport is almost non-existent as a money generating exercise, financed by the people that can least afford it.
Living just outside the current ULEZ I stand to gain as my street will be less affected by traffic which is currently trying to keep outside of the ULEZ but I still don't think it's fair.
Still, carry on recommending gas guzzling Volvo's
@TCarper
In reply to Post #293
I know what you mean. I guess my pov is more cynical in that it's been turned into another way of manipulating people for votes.
And the recommendation for the volvo is actually green thinking. Second hand, so already out there and they'll last longer so it's like a recycling long game...
(Hell, if rishi can convince you then I'm sure you'll swallow that...)
I know what you mean. I guess my pov is more cynical in that it's been turned into another way of manipulating people for votes.
And the recommendation for the volvo is actually green thinking. Second hand, so already out there and they'll last longer so it's like a recycling long game...
(Hell, if rishi can convince you then I'm sure you'll swallow that...)
In reply to Post #293
Volvo's? Nah, you want one of these. No road tax, no MOT and ULEZ compliant. Cost an arm and leg in fuel but a big two fingers to Kahn.
https://youtu.be/QFdhCZ517gU
Volvo's? Nah, you want one of these. No road tax, no MOT and ULEZ compliant. Cost an arm and leg in fuel but a big two fingers to Kahn.
https://youtu.be/QFdhCZ517gU
This made me chuckle - to further highlight the hypocrisy...
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/hilarious-community-note-slapped-on-grant-shapps-ulez-tweet-353682/?fbclid=IwAR3ZQQALQiRwIF-tCj2u7f6ENbhETdrOy2YVoH-UROpukNhqBW5jfhiNYQo
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/hilarious-community-note-slapped-on-grant-shapps-ulez-tweet-353682/?fbclid=IwAR3ZQQALQiRwIF-tCj2u7f6ENbhETdrOy2YVoH-UROpukNhqBW5jfhiNYQo
In reply to Post #296
But that was to extend the original ULEZ out to the north and south circulars in 2020, areas well served by public transport and where many residents don't even own and have the expensive of a car, it's cheaper to use UBER and not have a parking problem.
The new extension extends into far reaching areas that affect those that can least afford it, which sounds like a Tory policy.
It'll eventually come to everyone in some shape or form.
Hopefully lessons by then will be learned and things will be fairer, and you won't have to endure unfair schemes and the frustration of reading misquoting and misreporting by idealists who haven't got a clue and focus on the politics.
But that was to extend the original ULEZ out to the north and south circulars in 2020, areas well served by public transport and where many residents don't even own and have the expensive of a car, it's cheaper to use UBER and not have a parking problem.
The new extension extends into far reaching areas that affect those that can least afford it, which sounds like a Tory policy.
It'll eventually come to everyone in some shape or form.
Hopefully lessons by then will be learned and things will be fairer, and you won't have to endure unfair schemes and the frustration of reading misquoting and misreporting by idealists who haven't got a clue and focus on the politics.
In reply to Post #296
If that's true its a suprise for me, especially that sadistiq khaaaant didn't plow ahead spreading the congestion charge.
If that's true its a suprise for me, especially that sadistiq khaaaant didn't plow ahead spreading the congestion charge.
In reply to Post #296
LINK
I know you think it's all hypocrisy but our local LTN blocks off a direct route to the nearby hospital.
Yes once inside the LTN if the road is not blocked off by a planter it can go through, but it's the gridlock outside getting to that point that slows them down.
And if you decide not to wait for an ambulance and drive someone to A&E then you can expect a fine.
I'll give it a rest for a while but here's an example of how journeys are made longer.
LINK
LINK
I know you think it's all hypocrisy but our local LTN blocks off a direct route to the nearby hospital.
Yes once inside the LTN if the road is not blocked off by a planter it can go through, but it's the gridlock outside getting to that point that slows them down.
And if you decide not to wait for an ambulance and drive someone to A&E then you can expect a fine.
I'll give it a rest for a while but here's an example of how journeys are made longer.
LINK
In reply to Post #299
I know there is a lot of similar anecdotal experience like yours.
I also know that there is data that supports the underlying principle - to reduce traffic and improve air quality.
I also know that often the problem just shifts postcodes - although I'd argue that's still the fault of too many who drive unnecessarily
And I absolutely know that this has now become a vote grab for a desperate tory government who are going back on so many things - too many of them which will result in negative environmental consequences.
Lies, hypocrisy and misinformation.
I'm not your enemy on this Bob. We agree on some parts, differ on others. And this government are making no attempt to hide that divide and rule is their game plan.
I know there is a lot of similar anecdotal experience like yours.
I also know that there is data that supports the underlying principle - to reduce traffic and improve air quality.
I also know that often the problem just shifts postcodes - although I'd argue that's still the fault of too many who drive unnecessarily
And I absolutely know that this has now become a vote grab for a desperate tory government who are going back on so many things - too many of them which will result in negative environmental consequences.
Lies, hypocrisy and misinformation.
I'm not your enemy on this Bob. We agree on some parts, differ on others. And this government are making no attempt to hide that divide and rule is their game plan.