In reply to Post #15
This is where I'm probably going to sound a little stupid, but can you explain the difference in the way the rings are set differently for carp fishing please?
This is where I'm probably going to sound a little stupid, but can you explain the difference in the way the rings are set differently for carp fishing please?
In reply to Post #9
Good decision. I have the same rods, they are a pleasure to use
Good decision. I have the same rods, they are a pleasure to use
Freespirit CTX, in 2.5 tc are fabulous players rods..they play carp really well ,and are a joy ,a lovely rod.
But....Armalites ,in low test curves take some beating for enjoyment. And are my personal choice now..
But....Armalites ,in low test curves take some beating for enjoyment. And are my personal choice now..
In reply to Post #16
>>>This is where I'm probably going to sound a little stupid, but can you explain the difference in the way the rings are set differently for carp fishing please?<<<
There is no specific way for how a rod should be rung for any type of fishing. The trend these days for carp fishing is just about 5 or 6 large eyes with a very large butt eye, all designed for distance casting.
But years ago, it was the traditional style ringing like you would find on any rod and still do, lots of eyes, it just seems carp fishing has changed and its presumed everyone wants to cast baits as far as they can, but, even so, a traditional rung carp rod will still easily hit 100 yards, so basically, carp rods have become a specialist tool for hitting big distances and most people do not fish long distance, but the industry seems to have forgot about those people who only fish close in and up to and around 100 yards and manufacture traditional rung rods for the run of the mill carp angler
Myself I use 3 pike rods through action 3lb test curve traditionally rung and they are a delight to use for carp fishing, they have a very soft action designed for casting soft baits long distances, brilliant for playing fish as the rod arcs over nicely but plenty of power in the butt to stop fish dead in the tracks, because of the soft action I have never had a hook pull from an angry carp close in when it bolts from the net and most importantly I find, they are not tip heavy due to all the small eyes on it, unlike the "Beachcasters" with large eyes so a pleasure to stand holding for long periods of time when stalking.
I think about the only way these days to get a set of traditional rung rods is custom built or go outside the box and buy, Avon rods, Barbel rods or pike rods etc. But, many years ago, a rod could be used for many disciplines so long as they was strong enough for the task and not too strong, for example what was called a Avon rod was used for Roach, Chub Barbel etc and my carp rods not just covered carp fishing, but also eel fishing, pike fishing and even light sea fishing etc
The 80's, my main car rods were only 1 3/4 TC traditionally rung and could handle fish up to 25lb easily in open water with no snags, but, I could use them also for barbel, tench, eels etc and to this day, still use them for that purpose
But then, manufactures decided to give rods names based on what fish the angler was fishing but basically the rod was the same and can be used for anything you fish for.
>>>This is where I'm probably going to sound a little stupid, but can you explain the difference in the way the rings are set differently for carp fishing please?<<<
There is no specific way for how a rod should be rung for any type of fishing. The trend these days for carp fishing is just about 5 or 6 large eyes with a very large butt eye, all designed for distance casting.
But years ago, it was the traditional style ringing like you would find on any rod and still do, lots of eyes, it just seems carp fishing has changed and its presumed everyone wants to cast baits as far as they can, but, even so, a traditional rung carp rod will still easily hit 100 yards, so basically, carp rods have become a specialist tool for hitting big distances and most people do not fish long distance, but the industry seems to have forgot about those people who only fish close in and up to and around 100 yards and manufacture traditional rung rods for the run of the mill carp angler
Myself I use 3 pike rods through action 3lb test curve traditionally rung and they are a delight to use for carp fishing, they have a very soft action designed for casting soft baits long distances, brilliant for playing fish as the rod arcs over nicely but plenty of power in the butt to stop fish dead in the tracks, because of the soft action I have never had a hook pull from an angry carp close in when it bolts from the net and most importantly I find, they are not tip heavy due to all the small eyes on it, unlike the "Beachcasters" with large eyes so a pleasure to stand holding for long periods of time when stalking.
I think about the only way these days to get a set of traditional rung rods is custom built or go outside the box and buy, Avon rods, Barbel rods or pike rods etc. But, many years ago, a rod could be used for many disciplines so long as they was strong enough for the task and not too strong, for example what was called a Avon rod was used for Roach, Chub Barbel etc and my carp rods not just covered carp fishing, but also eel fishing, pike fishing and even light sea fishing etc
The 80's, my main car rods were only 1 3/4 TC traditionally rung and could handle fish up to 25lb easily in open water with no snags, but, I could use them also for barbel, tench, eels etc and to this day, still use them for that purpose
But then, manufactures decided to give rods names based on what fish the angler was fishing but basically the rod was the same and can be used for anything you fish for.
In reply to Post #19
Your right about ringing configurations, I have 9 eyes ,30mm being the largest ,..on the Armalites, and 6 on the freespirits ..
Your right about ringing configurations, I have 9 eyes ,30mm being the largest ,..on the Armalites, and 6 on the freespirits ..
In reply to Post #16
There's no such thing as a stuid question mate
Zack and wandle pretty much sum it up.
If you go to a specialist rod builder (I went to Mark Tunley for my Barbel rods for example as he has a lot of river experience) when you start talking blanks you'll be given options you probably don't know about if coming from generic factory built rods. For example most Carp rods are rung with a 40mm butt which is complete overkill for a lower TC rod and most are rung with only 1 on the butt, whereas you migh be advised for 2 for a river rod and more up top.
There are all sorts of technical arguments for more or less ringing and there are some very knowledgeable builders and anglers on the forum who could give you that detail, if it interests you or you could contact a specialist builder for a natter. I don't think it makes a jot of difference to the fish but if your so inclined it's a interesting subject
There's no such thing as a stuid question mate
Zack and wandle pretty much sum it up.
If you go to a specialist rod builder (I went to Mark Tunley for my Barbel rods for example as he has a lot of river experience) when you start talking blanks you'll be given options you probably don't know about if coming from generic factory built rods. For example most Carp rods are rung with a 40mm butt which is complete overkill for a lower TC rod and most are rung with only 1 on the butt, whereas you migh be advised for 2 for a river rod and more up top.
There are all sorts of technical arguments for more or less ringing and there are some very knowledgeable builders and anglers on the forum who could give you that detail, if it interests you or you could contact a specialist builder for a natter. I don't think it makes a jot of difference to the fish but if your so inclined it's a interesting subject
Apart from weight (negligible) what specific benefits does a 30mm butt ring have over a 40mm ring?
In reply to Post #22
More the question, line coil being relative to reel spool size and one of the main reasons for larger rings with larger reels (apart from reduced friction)...why even go 30mm with a 2500/3000/4000 size reel which would typically be used on a lower TC rod?
More the question, line coil being relative to reel spool size and one of the main reasons for larger rings with larger reels (apart from reduced friction)...why even go 30mm with a 2500/3000/4000 size reel which would typically be used on a lower TC rod?
In reply to Post #22
I can't remember exactly but something like less frap or slap helping the line spool off quicker which helps casting. That said, it will depend on the rod and reel also.
There is or was a fuji eye ringing concept somewhere that more and smaller eyes helps with casting and rod playing action. My baby ballistas have 30mm butt eye i think and about 8 in total.
Edit - https://www.harrisonrods.co.uk/Fuji%20New%20Guide%20Concept.htm
I can't remember exactly but something like less frap or slap helping the line spool off quicker which helps casting. That said, it will depend on the rod and reel also.
There is or was a fuji eye ringing concept somewhere that more and smaller eyes helps with casting and rod playing action. My baby ballistas have 30mm butt eye i think and about 8 in total.
Edit - https://www.harrisonrods.co.uk/Fuji%20New%20Guide%20Concept.htm
In reply to Post #24
There is or was a fuji eye ringing concept somewhere that more and smaller eyes helps with casting and rod playing action
and then there was.... you alter the rods action by adding more eyes and double legged eyes are the spawn of the devil, especially the larger the ring the larger the foot...and there we go...full circle
IIRC from the 90's was it Shimano that took it one step further with that rod that had no eyes and the line went through the blank...god the old grey matter's in trouble, can I remember a thing today
There is or was a fuji eye ringing concept somewhere that more and smaller eyes helps with casting and rod playing action
and then there was.... you alter the rods action by adding more eyes and double legged eyes are the spawn of the devil, especially the larger the ring the larger the foot...and there we go...full circle
IIRC from the 90's was it Shimano that took it one step further with that rod that had no eyes and the line went through the blank...god the old grey matter's in trouble, can I remember a thing today
Thanks for all the info
Weirdly, the Harrison Torrix 2lb rods I've just bought are supposed to be barbel rods but there is only 1 ring on the butt section like a carp rod.
I was expecting 2 rings on the butt section for a barbel rod?
Does anyone make their own rods these days or does everyone who wants a bespoke rod go to a specialised rod builder?
When I was a teenager, I made my first proper fishing rod. I bought a blank, cork, eyes and whipping and just put it all together. It's still in my loft too!
Weirdly, the Harrison Torrix 2lb rods I've just bought are supposed to be barbel rods but there is only 1 ring on the butt section like a carp rod.
I was expecting 2 rings on the butt section for a barbel rod?
Does anyone make their own rods these days or does everyone who wants a bespoke rod go to a specialised rod builder?
When I was a teenager, I made my first proper fishing rod. I bought a blank, cork, eyes and whipping and just put it all together. It's still in my loft too!
In reply to Post #25
I remember a family member using the Daiwa interline rods on Orchid in the 90s,..2.5tc,I remember..
I recall him saying they were not great ,especially with a leader so he'd boat the rigs out from the middles..
As said also Fox also did similar ,it may have been called Twig,the version I seen were 6ft ,and used in jungle warfare,...tight swims..
You had to set them up using a pole threader,was a pain in bot to set them..up
Great idea,didn't stay around long..
I remember a family member using the Daiwa interline rods on Orchid in the 90s,..2.5tc,I remember..
I recall him saying they were not great ,especially with a leader so he'd boat the rigs out from the middles..
As said also Fox also did similar ,it may have been called Twig,the version I seen were 6ft ,and used in jungle warfare,...tight swims..
You had to set them up using a pole threader,was a pain in bot to set them..up
Great idea,didn't stay around long..
In reply to Post #27
I wasn't imagining it then, thank you
@ Stevie, I think given the pace of life and instant result culture of modern fishing, especially Carp fishing, building your own rods is falling away towards rod builders.
I seem to remember Noj on here has built a few for himself and there are a few rod builders on the forum. I'd love to give it a go, but could I live with any imperfections....knowing me...no
I wasn't imagining it then, thank you
@ Stevie, I think given the pace of life and instant result culture of modern fishing, especially Carp fishing, building your own rods is falling away towards rod builders.
I seem to remember Noj on here has built a few for himself and there are a few rod builders on the forum. I'd love to give it a go, but could I live with any imperfections....knowing me...no
I was a teenager when I built mine and had all the time in the world. It amazes me that I actually did it tbh. No YouTube videos or anything to tell me wha to do. Luckily I had a a very friendly tackle shop that not only supplied all the kit but helped me with advice. (Anyone remember KC (Ken Collins) Angling in Sutton & Ian Heaps?)
Applying cork rings, rubbing them into shape, whipping the eyes on, applying 'dope' to tighten the whipping and then varnish. I still look at it with pride and amazement tbh
Applying cork rings, rubbing them into shape, whipping the eyes on, applying 'dope' to tighten the whipping and then varnish. I still look at it with pride and amazement tbh
In reply to Post #29
Kenny Collings,Charlie Taylor,Paul'Tommy 'Hillier. Go through the door ,'alright my son'
Remember that shop,as I'd visit it twice a year as my grandparents/had several properties in that area..no tackleshops back then where I lived,zero ,none...so was a big deal for me to visit that shop ,5 hour drive in the 70s/80s.
Apart from a KC angling 12ft match,all my rods I made myself ,even had the black continental box from KC.
(Hence my nickname,as I was always falling in the river which ran through their property ,looking for sticklebacks)
Often thought about going back for a look see,probably get stabbed now...lol
Kenny Collings,Charlie Taylor,Paul'Tommy 'Hillier. Go through the door ,'alright my son'
Remember that shop,as I'd visit it twice a year as my grandparents/had several properties in that area..no tackleshops back then where I lived,zero ,none...so was a big deal for me to visit that shop ,5 hour drive in the 70s/80s.
Apart from a KC angling 12ft match,all my rods I made myself ,even had the black continental box from KC.
(Hence my nickname,as I was always falling in the river which ran through their property ,looking for sticklebacks)
Often thought about going back for a look see,probably get stabbed now...lol