In reply to Post #16
I've been adding it at very similar levels to my hookbaits.
I remember a while back Frank Warwick saying that he made some hookbaits with outrageous amounts of NButyric acid in them. Many many times higher than the recommended levels and to his amazement he caught well on them.
So taking inspiration from this I've done a test batch of pop ups with a VERY elevated level of dmpt in them. Then I've glugged them in a diluted solution of them and proper loaded them up like you would a goo bait.
They absolutely stink. Completely over power's everything else. Absolutely horrible.
My results on them so far have been truly awful. :-)
I've been adding it at very similar levels to my hookbaits.
I remember a while back Frank Warwick saying that he made some hookbaits with outrageous amounts of NButyric acid in them. Many many times higher than the recommended levels and to his amazement he caught well on them.
So taking inspiration from this I've done a test batch of pop ups with a VERY elevated level of dmpt in them. Then I've glugged them in a diluted solution of them and proper loaded them up like you would a goo bait.
They absolutely stink. Completely over power's everything else. Absolutely horrible.
My results on them so far have been truly awful. :-)
In reply to Post #17
N-Butyric is a totally natural organic acid. Then we have chemical attractors such DMPT that can easily be overdone compared to a natural product. I did some tests on a clear estate lake with DMPT in baits and found carp where quickly attracted to the area but never fed on the bait, it was clear it had a pulling affect but once closer to the baits it seemed to actually repel fish. I took it as a sign I had overdone the DMPT. I reduced the amount and this time they where attracted as before but this time stayed and fed for a prolonged period. I did play about with only using it in a hookbait to try and induce a quicker take but I couldn't be sure on the results. If you get the levels wrong it can be harmful to your chances so I would definitely reduce the amount. I'm no bait guru mate just my findings on the subject I'm sure a lot of people have a different view.
N-Butyric is a totally natural organic acid. Then we have chemical attractors such DMPT that can easily be overdone compared to a natural product. I did some tests on a clear estate lake with DMPT in baits and found carp where quickly attracted to the area but never fed on the bait, it was clear it had a pulling affect but once closer to the baits it seemed to actually repel fish. I took it as a sign I had overdone the DMPT. I reduced the amount and this time they where attracted as before but this time stayed and fed for a prolonged period. I did play about with only using it in a hookbait to try and induce a quicker take but I couldn't be sure on the results. If you get the levels wrong it can be harmful to your chances so I would definitely reduce the amount. I'm no bait guru mate just my findings on the subject I'm sure a lot of people have a different view.
In reply to Post #18
I'm inclined to agree with you based on my recent findings. It was really an experiment for winter. Take a hookbait that I know catches. That's caught from this particular water and others. Don't change anything else except the DMPT. I was interested to see what effect it might have in very cold water temps at a silly level, given it's so soluble and that there's literally just the hookbaits, no free offering to attract or confuse the results.
Well unless something spectacular happens between now and spring I shall he going back to normal levels and binning these off. I'm a great believer in trying things out for yourself. Win some lose some. I'm pretty sure this idea is gonna fall firmly in the lose camp.
I'm inclined to agree with you based on my recent findings. It was really an experiment for winter. Take a hookbait that I know catches. That's caught from this particular water and others. Don't change anything else except the DMPT. I was interested to see what effect it might have in very cold water temps at a silly level, given it's so soluble and that there's literally just the hookbaits, no free offering to attract or confuse the results.
Well unless something spectacular happens between now and spring I shall he going back to normal levels and binning these off. I'm a great believer in trying things out for yourself. Win some lose some. I'm pretty sure this idea is gonna fall firmly in the lose camp.
In reply to Post #19
But why would you guys try to reinvent the wheel when white papers state that certain inclusion are nefast?
But why would you guys try to reinvent the wheel when white papers state that certain inclusion are nefast?
In reply to Post #21
Simple answer, for the fun of it. The day I start to read scientific papers about bait is the day I give up and become a golfist.
I like to do my experimenting by actually trying stuff out. Tinkering is part of the hobby I enjoy.
Simple answer, for the fun of it. The day I start to read scientific papers about bait is the day I give up and become a golfist.
I like to do my experimenting by actually trying stuff out. Tinkering is part of the hobby I enjoy.
In reply to Post #21
I believe scientific papers are very valuable to anyone making bait but it's obvious that a bait is very different to a feed pellet.
Unlike most baits the feed pellets wil usually be ingested within seconds after getting in the water.
Also a boiled bait will have lost some solubles during boiling and the rest will be partly bound by the eggs.
Last the ratios suggested by the papers is for optimum growth not for maximum attraction and maximum feed intake.
I believe scientific papers are very valuable to anyone making bait but it's obvious that a bait is very different to a feed pellet.
Unlike most baits the feed pellets wil usually be ingested within seconds after getting in the water.
Also a boiled bait will have lost some solubles during boiling and the rest will be partly bound by the eggs.
Last the ratios suggested by the papers is for optimum growth not for maximum attraction and maximum feed intake.
In reply to Post #23
I would have thought for feed pellets the most important figures are the cost v benefits and by benefits I mean growth, health and taste (of the fish) also in the overstocked environment fish are reared in, the amount of waste must surely be important.
I doubt your average boilie purchaser worries too much about any of this he just wants a bait the fish will eat.
I would have thought for feed pellets the most important figures are the cost v benefits and by benefits I mean growth, health and taste (of the fish) also in the overstocked environment fish are reared in, the amount of waste must surely be important.
I doubt your average boilie purchaser worries too much about any of this he just wants a bait the fish will eat.
In reply to Post #22
While I do read some scientific stuff it's only looking for clues to what I can experiment with, like you I do it for the fun.
While I do read some scientific stuff it's only looking for clues to what I can experiment with, like you I do it for the fun.
In reply to Post #24
Yes I believe so too but most of the white papers mostly focus on growth.
Yes I believe so too but most of the white papers mostly focus on growth.
In reply to Post #22
White papers are the clues that help us build the puzzles, try reading them, its boring as hell but so is digging for treasure til you find it.
White papers are the clues that help us build the puzzles, try reading them, its boring as hell but so is digging for treasure til you find it.
In reply to Post #1
Used it at recommended doses in both bottom hookbaits & various popups, pre & after boiling, and my conclusion is "don´t even both, waste of time"
Used it at recommended doses in both bottom hookbaits & various popups, pre & after boiling, and my conclusion is "don´t even both, waste of time"
In reply to Post #28
Is dmpt ok to be diluted in to a liquid and added to freebies? Thinking fish brand liquid as it's thin and it will dissolve easily in to it. What levels of dmpt for 1 litre of liquid?
Cheers
Is dmpt ok to be diluted in to a liquid and added to freebies? Thinking fish brand liquid as it's thin and it will dissolve easily in to it. What levels of dmpt for 1 litre of liquid?
Cheers
In reply to Post #29
1 litre for 1kg boilies?
I would calculate the quantity of liquid you will use to soak 1kg boilies and dissolve 1,5gr of dmpt in that liquid
1 litre for 1kg boilies?
I would calculate the quantity of liquid you will use to soak 1kg boilies and dissolve 1,5gr of dmpt in that liquid
In reply to Post #29
It's prohibited as a feed ingredient, lures only I.e hookbaits
It's prohibited as a feed ingredient, lures only I.e hookbaits
Anyone any more recent thoughts on this stuff ? 