In reply to Post #2970
How is usyk not a heavyweight champion in your eyes Chris? Because he took the belts from aj who you have a clear dislike of? Or because he's an ex cruiserweight? (Just like haye/holyfield before him)
How is usyk not a heavyweight champion in your eyes Chris? Because he took the belts from aj who you have a clear dislike of? Or because he's an ex cruiserweight? (Just like haye/holyfield before him)
In reply to Post #2971
Great boxer USYK no doubt, athlete. not a true heavyweight and who has he fought at heavy so far, a well over the hill Chisora, Joshua who can't box for toffee, body builder, and he lost or should have against Dubios so that makes him a great does it, wins over those 3 lol, come back when he has clocked up over 20 then we can talk about greatness
And all of those 3 are not even close to Fury or even Wilder.
I don't dislike Joshua, great role model, but I knew from the start he was not the one that everybody was making him out to be, his fights were cherry picked over the years, he is a very powerful lad but lacks boxing skills, and movement, massively
And as for Holyfield he was a proper boxer, athlete, and warrior and you can't compare USYK with him, he has been in wars, look at the fights he had!
Great boxer USYK no doubt, athlete. not a true heavyweight and who has he fought at heavy so far, a well over the hill Chisora, Joshua who can't box for toffee, body builder, and he lost or should have against Dubios so that makes him a great does it, wins over those 3 lol, come back when he has clocked up over 20 then we can talk about greatness
And all of those 3 are not even close to Fury or even Wilder.
I don't dislike Joshua, great role model, but I knew from the start he was not the one that everybody was making him out to be, his fights were cherry picked over the years, he is a very powerful lad but lacks boxing skills, and movement, massively
And as for Holyfield he was a proper boxer, athlete, and warrior and you can't compare USYK with him, he has been in wars, look at the fights he had!
In reply to Post #2972
But you said he wasn't a true heavyweight champion ? And yet he holds 3 of the 4 belts? And yet old windmill isn't a champion anymore either? Granted he can't be called a heavyweight great and at his age it's doubtful he has got enough time left to ever be called one. Even if he beats fury and wilder . Don't think he's got much chance against fury Tbh, but wilder I'm not so sure. That one could go either way for me.
In reality, who has wilder fought? He's got a massively padded résumé himself , other than fury he's got nobody. And the man is an utter tool. Saying he won't retire happy if he doesn't have a body on his record. He can't box for toffee either, all he has is that power, hence he came up short against someone with actual skills ,even though he made every excuse under the sun he simply wasn't the better fighter . Not even close
But you said he wasn't a true heavyweight champion ? And yet he holds 3 of the 4 belts? And yet old windmill isn't a champion anymore either? Granted he can't be called a heavyweight great and at his age it's doubtful he has got enough time left to ever be called one. Even if he beats fury and wilder . Don't think he's got much chance against fury Tbh, but wilder I'm not so sure. That one could go either way for me.
In reality, who has wilder fought? He's got a massively padded résumé himself , other than fury he's got nobody. And the man is an utter tool. Saying he won't retire happy if he doesn't have a body on his record. He can't box for toffee either, all he has is that power, hence he came up short against someone with actual skills ,even though he made every excuse under the sun he simply wasn't the better fighter . Not even close
In reply to Post #2973
And yet he holds 3 of the 4 belts
And Dubious was SO close, are you going to say that he would be a great if he won too lol. Usyk ain't put them together.The same collection Joshua put together before he was exposed again and again and again. Like it or not the belt was the WBC who nobody would challenge for whilst Joshua was doing the sweepings up. Wilder would absolutely well and truly obliterate him, the man ain't no defence!
And then a man who is mentally I'll, 10 stone overweight with a drugs and alcohol problem as a result, does major draining weight loss and comes along and beats the WBC dosser 3 times, now that is something that NO former heavyweight champ has ever done and probably will not again, that alone is pretty, unbelievable, ****ing amazing!!!
I think Wilder is the most dangerous fight for Usyk, and he won't take it
Wilder is a nasty MF, but as somebody once said, you don't go in there to tickle each other lol
And yet he holds 3 of the 4 belts
And Dubious was SO close, are you going to say that he would be a great if he won too lol. Usyk ain't put them together.The same collection Joshua put together before he was exposed again and again and again. Like it or not the belt was the WBC who nobody would challenge for whilst Joshua was doing the sweepings up. Wilder would absolutely well and truly obliterate him, the man ain't no defence!
And then a man who is mentally I'll, 10 stone overweight with a drugs and alcohol problem as a result, does major draining weight loss and comes along and beats the WBC dosser 3 times, now that is something that NO former heavyweight champ has ever done and probably will not again, that alone is pretty, unbelievable, ****ing amazing!!!
I think Wilder is the most dangerous fight for Usyk, and he won't take it
Wilder is a nasty MF, but as somebody once said, you don't go in there to tickle each other lol
In reply to Post #2974
Ive not called usyk a great Chris. Not sure where you keep plucking that from? But he has 3 belts. That makes him a heavyweight champion! The dubois fight was one where some saw it as a low blow, others saw it as a fair shot and dubois was robbed. At the end of the day what happened, happened and you can only go with the refs decision. Personally it looked like a clean shot to me. But would usyk have got up within the 10 count? Who knows. He didn't need to because the ref gave him time for a low blow.
Agreed wilder is a nasty ******* , can't stand the man and hope he gets beat every time he sets foot in the ring . He had a few challengers for it too?10 of them And he's been on his way to losing a few fights along the way and got out of jail with a big right hand. Even that Artur spika was beating him until he got sloppy , and the over the hill chisora absolutely destroyed spika with ease . Ortiz was winning both fights until the right landed too even though he's god knows what age. His record has great numbers I'll agree, but names on that record? Not so much. I agree aj doesn't stand much of a chance, especially these days as it's pretty clear he's mentally weakened . But wilder can be hurt too so if aj could land first anything is possible. Not that I think he would because of being gun shy these days. Can't see either of them having much left in them tbh, 2 or 3 fights each maybe .
Ive not called usyk a great Chris. Not sure where you keep plucking that from? But he has 3 belts. That makes him a heavyweight champion! The dubois fight was one where some saw it as a low blow, others saw it as a fair shot and dubois was robbed. At the end of the day what happened, happened and you can only go with the refs decision. Personally it looked like a clean shot to me. But would usyk have got up within the 10 count? Who knows. He didn't need to because the ref gave him time for a low blow.
Agreed wilder is a nasty ******* , can't stand the man and hope he gets beat every time he sets foot in the ring . He had a few challengers for it too?10 of them And he's been on his way to losing a few fights along the way and got out of jail with a big right hand. Even that Artur spika was beating him until he got sloppy , and the over the hill chisora absolutely destroyed spika with ease . Ortiz was winning both fights until the right landed too even though he's god knows what age. His record has great numbers I'll agree, but names on that record? Not so much. I agree aj doesn't stand much of a chance, especially these days as it's pretty clear he's mentally weakened . But wilder can be hurt too so if aj could land first anything is possible. Not that I think he would because of being gun shy these days. Can't see either of them having much left in them tbh, 2 or 3 fights each maybe .
In reply to Post #2975
I would like to see AJ fight Wilder and I agree, both have the power, Wilder has the success rate though.I don't think anybody likes Wilder except for a few yanks!
Agree, Ortiz could have won both of those, far superior boxer, just succumbed to the bomb
Fury exposed Wilder as a one trick pony, aggressive fighter with a wide stance looking to land the bomb, put him on the back foot, clueless. Master class from Fury in all 3 fights, first one boxed him on the back foot, second one battered him on the front foot, third one bit of everything. For a big guy his movement, and skills are incredible!
Usyk is a great boxer no doubt but you could argue his record is not the greatest, Bellew etc who I can't say I am a big boxing fan off. Still, you can only fight who is around at the time
End of the day we are being super critical because any of the above could wipe us out with the wind off their gloves
I would like to see AJ fight Wilder and I agree, both have the power, Wilder has the success rate though.I don't think anybody likes Wilder except for a few yanks!
Agree, Ortiz could have won both of those, far superior boxer, just succumbed to the bomb
Fury exposed Wilder as a one trick pony, aggressive fighter with a wide stance looking to land the bomb, put him on the back foot, clueless. Master class from Fury in all 3 fights, first one boxed him on the back foot, second one battered him on the front foot, third one bit of everything. For a big guy his movement, and skills are incredible!
Usyk is a great boxer no doubt but you could argue his record is not the greatest, Bellew etc who I can't say I am a big boxing fan off. Still, you can only fight who is around at the time
End of the day we are being super critical because any of the above could wipe us out with the wind off their gloves
Fight night tonight, I am expecting Fabio Wardlie to put on a show after the recent antics by Adeleye, some bad blood there 
tonight is FIGHT NIGHT !! .....UK: TNT Sports Box Office
The main card starts at 6 p.m. UK
with Fury and Ngannou making their ringwalks at approximately 10:40 p.m. UK This could change depending on the lengths of the undercard matches.
and like a lot of people hoping GREEDY PIG Fury gets sparked
The main card starts at 6 p.m. UK
with Fury and Ngannou making their ringwalks at approximately 10:40 p.m. UK This could change depending on the lengths of the undercard matches.
and like a lot of people hoping GREEDY PIG Fury gets sparked
Great composure from Wardley and a great left hand, super sharp hands too!
Well, that saved boxing lol
To be fair FN got the knockdown but Fury had the punch count
FN, too strong, punches just bounce off him, he got caught with some very good ones!
Credit to FN, wasn't expecting that
To be fair FN got the knockdown but Fury had the punch count
FN, too strong, punches just bounce off him, he got caught with some very good ones!
Credit to FN, wasn't expecting that
Day light robbery there is no way he won not a cat in hells chance I hope fn gets a massive brown envelope for that because he won hands down it makes a mockery out of the sport Tyson and Tommy robbing a living both lost yet both get the win
Im afraid everyones getting their pants pulled down with fights like this !
In reply to Post #2982
sadly I was unable to stay awake and missed it reading so many conflicting reports ?
sadly I was unable to stay awake and missed it reading so many conflicting reports ?
In reply to Post #2983
Basically he got the game plan all wrong, expected FN to come out swinging to he could counter him. FN brilliantly disciplined, wait for Fury to throw then tried to counter, who has the biggest hammer
Heavyweight's, takes one shot, fury was put down in the 3rd, landed but off balance and FN caught him on the side of the head. Scrappy really and for the first time ever Fury looked clueless until he strung a few jabs together
Can't knock FN, machine, rock solid, full of muscle and would happily stand toe to toe with anybody
They reckon Fury was out the night before
Fight like this do make a mockery out of boxing but that fight probably shocked us all, takes one single punch. As for the Fury's I am inclined to think as mentioned below, you can take the gypsy from the camp but you can't take the camp from the gypsys, mongs, John Fury what a cock, he fancies a slice of the cake with the real Tyson
Shouldn't be allowed to fight for the bets either unless they have progressed down the boxing route
Basically he got the game plan all wrong, expected FN to come out swinging to he could counter him. FN brilliantly disciplined, wait for Fury to throw then tried to counter, who has the biggest hammer
Heavyweight's, takes one shot, fury was put down in the 3rd, landed but off balance and FN caught him on the side of the head. Scrappy really and for the first time ever Fury looked clueless until he strung a few jabs together
Can't knock FN, machine, rock solid, full of muscle and would happily stand toe to toe with anybody
They reckon Fury was out the night before
Fight like this do make a mockery out of boxing but that fight probably shocked us all, takes one single punch. As for the Fury's I am inclined to think as mentioned below, you can take the gypsy from the camp but you can't take the camp from the gypsys, mongs, John Fury what a cock, he fancies a slice of the cake with the real Tyson
Shouldn't be allowed to fight for the bets either unless they have progressed down the boxing route
In reply to Post #2984
I've just watched it this morning and Francis did well for a "nobody" didn't he?! I reckon he might have a decent future in the ring. This was less of a mockery to boxing than some of the recent fights, and as long as people keep buying the ppv then they will keep happening. I'd like to see ngannou in with old windmill one day, it would be fun while it lasted
I've just watched it this morning and Francis did well for a "nobody" didn't he?! I reckon he might have a decent future in the ring. This was less of a mockery to boxing than some of the recent fights, and as long as people keep buying the ppv then they will keep happening. I'd like to see ngannou in with old windmill one day, it would be fun while it lasted