In reply to Post #225
South east
South east
In reply to Post #224
I agree car use should be reduced but the idea of removing road space and expecting the traffic to evaporate is simply not working, it's actually making it worse.
The problem is Rachel Aldred and Imperial College are dead set on encouraging more of it and produce doctored data to say that everything is hunky dory with no concern to people who are already finding it to make ends meet.
I'm not stinking rich but I'm not hard up either and can probably pay my way out of it, but is that fair that only the well off can drive around without worry?
As regards diesel vehicles. I don't know if this is true but someone told me some euro 5 vehicles can be converted to use Adblue and become complaint.
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I agree car use should be reduced but the idea of removing road space and expecting the traffic to evaporate is simply not working, it's actually making it worse.
The problem is Rachel Aldred and Imperial College are dead set on encouraging more of it and produce doctored data to say that everything is hunky dory with no concern to people who are already finding it to make ends meet.
I'm not stinking rich but I'm not hard up either and can probably pay my way out of it, but is that fair that only the well off can drive around without worry?
As regards diesel vehicles. I don't know if this is true but someone told me some euro 5 vehicles can be converted to use Adblue and become complaint.
LINK
Another petition, the reason they exist is that these schemes are only making life better for a only few rather than the many.
This petition is fair. It doesn't ask for all traffic schemes to be removed, all it asks is that under used schemes are voted on and a simple majority vote would mean they are either stay or be removed.
It's democracy
As I always say this may not affect you at the moment but is a safeguard for your future.
It only takes a minute, please do it.
PETITION
This petition is fair. It doesn't ask for all traffic schemes to be removed, all it asks is that under used schemes are voted on and a simple majority vote would mean they are either stay or be removed.
It's democracy
As I always say this may not affect you at the moment but is a safeguard for your future.
It only takes a minute, please do it.
PETITION
In reply to Post #223
Champagne socialist
Should try it instead of the self centered approach.
You know well that to force long term necessary change you sometimes have to make the status quo unpalatable. Be that cigarettes, alcohol excess sugar etc.
The direction of travel regards roads and cars in populous areas is changing. That's just advancement and yes it's the future.
Champagne socialist
Should try it instead of the self centered approach.
You know well that to force long term necessary change you sometimes have to make the status quo unpalatable. Be that cigarettes, alcohol excess sugar etc.
The direction of travel regards roads and cars in populous areas is changing. That's just advancement and yes it's the future.
In reply to Post #229
Not sure cigarettes, alcohol excess sugar etc has got to do with it but forcing change that only benefits a minority to the detriment of the majority will fail eventually.
Not sure cigarettes, alcohol excess sugar etc has got to do with it but forcing change that only benefits a minority to the detriment of the majority will fail eventually.
In reply to Post #230
When a modern society decides to change people's habits for the better of the majority eventually. There will always be moaners, winners and losers. Those that don't want change will have to pay more and or be inconvenienced. Like cigarettes alcohol etc. Hope that clears it up for you Blankalot.
When a modern society decides to change people's habits for the better of the majority eventually. There will always be moaners, winners and losers. Those that don't want change will have to pay more and or be inconvenienced. Like cigarettes alcohol etc. Hope that clears it up for you Blankalot.
Lots of anti expansion protests in London.
Opportunity for the Tories to win some more votes.
Opportunity for the Tories to win some more votes.
In reply to Post #231
Typically condescending, posting in Non carp that you are always right
Typically condescending, posting in Non carp that you are always right
In reply to Post #232
From what I've seen, I'd be absolutely amazed if those protestors don't already vote Tory.
From what I've seen, I'd be absolutely amazed if those protestors don't already vote Tory.
In reply to Post #230
Sounds very like brexit to me tinhead...
Although the failure there was a bit more immediate
Were you out protesting today? Was the you in the blue van?
Sounds very like brexit to me tinhead...
Although the failure there was a bit more immediate
Were you out protesting today? Was the you in the blue van?
In reply to Post #235
Not seen the news and the blue van, I'll do some catching up.
On a selfish note not only do we have displaced traffic from our local LTN we get it from the last ULEZ expansion, traffic trying to avoid the the overloaded South Circular. So the proposed expansion would help us.
But what about all those people who can't afford compliant cars, people with lower paid jobs struggling to make ends meet with the cost of living and fuel price increases. I feel for those.
So called socialist Ocelot doesn't. That's why I think he's like my council, full of nimby champagne socialists.
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There will always be moaners, winners and losers. Those that don't want change will have to pay more and or be inconvenienced. Like cigarettes alcohol etc
@RKB
See above it's likely to be poorer Labour supporters that were protesting. Rich Tory supporters wouldn't own old non compliant vehicles.
Not seen the news and the blue van, I'll do some catching up.
On a selfish note not only do we have displaced traffic from our local LTN we get it from the last ULEZ expansion, traffic trying to avoid the the overloaded South Circular. So the proposed expansion would help us.
But what about all those people who can't afford compliant cars, people with lower paid jobs struggling to make ends meet with the cost of living and fuel price increases. I feel for those.
So called socialist Ocelot doesn't. That's why I think he's like my council, full of nimby champagne socialists.
I quote
There will always be moaners, winners and losers. Those that don't want change will have to pay more and or be inconvenienced. Like cigarettes alcohol etc
@RKB
See above it's likely to be poorer Labour supporters that were protesting. Rich Tory supporters wouldn't own old non compliant vehicles.
In reply to Post #236
Most of them just look like they hate Sadiq Khan. Seen some pretty deplorable stuff. These are not people that have just changed their minds because of ULEZ.
Most of them just look like they hate Sadiq Khan. Seen some pretty deplorable stuff. These are not people that have just changed their minds because of ULEZ.
In reply to Post #237
I've still to do my catch up but I take it the poor who can't afford the expansion stayed at home and rather than turning the heating down turned it off and went to a food bank to support the mayor.
Of course I'm being sarcastic but IMO you can't go on what people look like in London, it's too diverse.
Edit
Tried doing some catch up but couldn't find anything to do with a blue van (any links appreciated) but that right winger Piers Corbyn featured heavily.
I've still to do my catch up but I take it the poor who can't afford the expansion stayed at home and rather than turning the heating down turned it off and went to a food bank to support the mayor.
Of course I'm being sarcastic but IMO you can't go on what people look like in London, it's too diverse.
Edit
Tried doing some catch up but couldn't find anything to do with a blue van (any links appreciated) but that right winger Piers Corbyn featured heavily.
In reply to Post #238
Either heating + food banks or they were out being champagne socialists as you say, very diverse!
Either heating + food banks or they were out being champagne socialists as you say, very diverse!
Oh dear!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64833639#aoh=16778767807756&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fuk-england-london-64833639
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64833639#aoh=16778767807756&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fuk-england-london-64833639