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mal mal
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#196 10 Nov 2022 18:32
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Saw that one....

There's stupid and then....
Tinhead Tinhead
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#197 16 Nov 2022 10:36
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Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTNs)
Like the traffic that was supposed to evaporate but never did, the complaints about them are not evaporating and going away either.
LINK





Tinhead Tinhead
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#198 26 Nov 2022 11:13
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Tinhead Tinhead
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#199 7 Dec 2022 18:22
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Tinhead Tinhead
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#200 1 Jan 2023 01:39
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Congratulations Rosamund CBE Clean air and anti LTN campaigner.




Clean air for the many

not just the few.
ocelot ocelot
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#201 1 Jan 2023 15:03
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Congratulations on her award.

She states it's "Environmental Racism" because the majority affected aren't white. Do you agree with her Blankalot?
Tinhead Tinhead
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#202 1 Jan 2023 16:20
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Yes I agree with her.
mal mal
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#203 1 Jan 2023 17:00
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In reply to Post #200
Well deserved. Even if she's still battling against local and central government spin.

It's a problem that pre-dates LTN's imo (although it will have been made worse in some areas as she / you say)

I moved to London in the early 90's to retrain / study. In my whole life until that point, I'd only seen 2 people who had really bad asthma and needed inhalers. I was really surprised to see a half dozen others on my course, all younger than me, who were already reliant on them. The common denominator was that they were all native londoners...





Tinhead Tinhead
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#204 1 Jan 2023 17:33
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It's just so wrong that she gets awards and is listened to, they use the death of her daughter (which is what Ros wants) to advocate improvements but our council mayor conveniently forgets about it when his mates are creating their own little gentrification in an affluent high car ownership area.
I went to Ella's vigil about a year ago and our mayor Damien Egan made a speech about how he was improving air quality when the reality is the road Ella used to live in he's made worse.
I wanted to shout and heckle him but out of respect I kept quiet and along with a few others turned our back on him.
How Rosamund tolerates him I don't know but I suppose it has it's benefits.
For instance exhibition
mal mal
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#205 2 Jan 2023 16:13
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In reply to Post #204
Maybe the whole process is upside down

Instead of 'punitive ' measures for drivers using cars - usually financial so effectively reinforcing the wealth / opportunity disparity (some people can afford charges that others can't) - maybe reward people for less / more environmentally sound use of cars. It's there in some forms with 'greener' vehicles having lower road rax. There could be other ways of doing it too...

The problem still remains that there are too many cars making too many unnecessary journeys.



Tinhead Tinhead
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#206 2 Jan 2023 17:20
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In reply to Post #205
It certainly needs some alternative thinking Mal, encouragement rather than punishment

Putting a box of dirt and weeds at the end of your own road, telling the neighbours in the next road along that you are fighting climate changing, that you're some sort of eco warrior, while having a 4x4 (albeit euro 6) on your drive is not the way forward

Stokebloke Stokebloke
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#207 2 Jan 2023 20:02
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Making EV drivers pay the same as a diesel is not the way forward either.

https://www.greencarguide.co.uk/2022/11/evs-to-pay-road-tax-from-2025-ev-bik-to-remain-low/

mal mal
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#208 2 Jan 2023 22:16
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In reply to Post #207
I'd agree.

Although the cost of electric vehicles is another example of the widening of the wealth and opportunity gap. The initial cost means that they're still out of reach for most working class families who then become trapped in the ever increasing spiral of fossil fuel costs.

Greybeard54
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#209 2 Jan 2023 23:41
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The problem is close to 68 million people and rising all crammed on an island.
all the other problems are a direct result of that.
but nobody wants to talk about that.and it gets worse woldwide.
The world population has grown rapidly, particularly over the past century: in 1900, there were fewer than 2 billion people on the planet. The world population is around 8.05 billion people in 2023.
we live globally by a socio-economic model that operates as a Ponzi scheme with each generation robbing the next of space and resources, while celebrating with quasi-religious fervour, the idea of blanket human domination of the entire planet until there is little room for any other species, as if that abominable outcome were some kind of glorious achievement.
Why should I celebrate a tidal wave of surplus humanity when it comes at the price of other species? You may think the human is worth more than all other forms of life. I do not. In fact in a good many instances it is worth considerably less, when you weigh what they take out against what they put back. When such moral a deficit becomes the accepted norm, I see little to celebrate in the ever expanding tide of my own kind.
mal mal
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#210 15 Jan 2023 11:39
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Morning tinhead

Thought you might find this an interesting read. Slight tangent but an area I know you're interested in

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/13/pollutionwatch-citizen-science-alarm-uk-air-pollution
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