In reply to Post #168
in·oc·u·late (-nky-lt)
tr.v. in·oc·u·lat·ed, in·oc·u·lat·ing, in·oc·u·lates
1. To introduce a serum, vaccine, or antigenic substance into (the body of a person or animal), especially to produce or boost immunity to a specific disease.
got a jab, to you & me!
in·oc·u·late (-nky-lt)
tr.v. in·oc·u·lat·ed, in·oc·u·lat·ing, in·oc·u·lates
1. To introduce a serum, vaccine, or antigenic substance into (the body of a person or animal), especially to produce or boost immunity to a specific disease.
got a jab, to you & me!
In reply to Post #169
post 92 from ken reads........
Yes, you are correct, no vaccine exists, contrary to some opinions.
that leaves me a bit confused you see bryan
post 92 from ken reads........
Yes, you are correct, no vaccine exists, contrary to some opinions.
that leaves me a bit confused you see bryan
In reply to Post #170
& as far as im aware, ken is correct.
although if a vaccine for humans is available now, then i stand corrected.
i think oldfellah was suggesting it would be a good idea without actually knowing one way or another.
& as far as im aware, ken is correct.
although if a vaccine for humans is available now, then i stand corrected.
i think oldfellah was suggesting it would be a good idea without actually knowing one way or another.
In reply to Post #169
just off the phone from the doctors regarding the jab against the disease,,they are gonna get back to me this morning so i will let you know the outcome ,,got to be worth getting ,,
just off the phone from the doctors regarding the jab against the disease,,they are gonna get back to me this morning so i will let you know the outcome ,,got to be worth getting ,,
In reply to Post #171
although if a vaccine for humans is available now, then i stand corrected.
hey, what do i know?
surely with all of our govt experts a vaccine would have been developed a long time ago.......
although if a vaccine for humans is available now, then i stand corrected.
hey, what do i know?
surely with all of our govt experts a vaccine would have been developed a long time ago.......
In reply to Post #173
surely with all of our govt experts a vaccine would have been developed a long time ago.......
personally, i`d have thought they would look at the cost of producing a vaccine,
look at how many people are affected by it each year,
then decide to save themselves a fortune & just tell everyone "dont touch rat piss....."
surely with all of our govt experts a vaccine would have been developed a long time ago.......
personally, i`d have thought they would look at the cost of producing a vaccine,
look at how many people are affected by it each year,
then decide to save themselves a fortune & just tell everyone "dont touch rat piss....."
In reply to Post #174
then decide to save themselves a fortune & just tell everyone "dont touch rat piss....."
fair point that
then decide to save themselves a fortune & just tell everyone "dont touch rat piss....."
fair point that
In reply to Post #175
I can assure you that a vaccine has existed for some time for Weils desease (leptospirosis) and both I and my son had had the jabs. I also have spoken to a fish farming friend and several other lake owner friends over here in France and they have now had the jabs also. Whether the UK health system is up to speed on this I cannot say but it really is worth a call to find out.
I can assure you that a vaccine has existed for some time for Weils desease (leptospirosis) and both I and my son had had the jabs. I also have spoken to a fish farming friend and several other lake owner friends over here in France and they have now had the jabs also. Whether the UK health system is up to speed on this I cannot say but it really is worth a call to find out.
In reply to Post #176
then i stand corrected & apologise oldfellah if it sounded like i was suggesting you didn`t know what you was talking about.
i now amend my statement to:
as far as im aware, there is no vaccine available for the general public,in the uk, on the national health service, for the prevention of weils disease.
again, i stand to be corrected on that..............
then i stand corrected & apologise oldfellah if it sounded like i was suggesting you didn`t know what you was talking about.
i now amend my statement to:
as far as im aware, there is no vaccine available for the general public,in the uk, on the national health service, for the prevention of weils disease.
again, i stand to be corrected on that..............
In reply to Post #177
No problem Brian....................just go and have the jabs mate
No problem Brian....................just go and have the jabs mate
In reply to Post #178
im not going all the way to france for that!!
tell me, is it freely available out there? or do you have to pay for it?
im not going all the way to france for that!!
tell me, is it freely available out there? or do you have to pay for it?
There seems to be this belief by the French medical profession that you can vaccinate against Weils Disease. YOU CANNOT...and that is a FACT. I don't know what vaccination you have had Jim, but it ain't against Weils Disease. (possibly against typhoid or dysentry or some other water bourne bug).
The fact is that...NO CURRENT VACCINE HAS BEEN LICENSED FOR EUROPEAN USE
If such a vaccine existed do you not think farmers, sewage workers and anglers all over the world would be clamoring for it?
The French seem to think that Lepto/Weilds is a virus...Well it bloody well isn't! Weils Disease is caused by bacteria and you cannot vaccinate "against" a bacterial infection. All you can do it treat the infection once it has found a host, usually with powerful antibiotics.
Sorry if you think I am being a scare monger, Jim, but you are not protected.
look here
The fact is that...NO CURRENT VACCINE HAS BEEN LICENSED FOR EUROPEAN USE
If such a vaccine existed do you not think farmers, sewage workers and anglers all over the world would be clamoring for it?
The French seem to think that Lepto/Weilds is a virus...Well it bloody well isn't! Weils Disease is caused by bacteria and you cannot vaccinate "against" a bacterial infection. All you can do it treat the infection once it has found a host, usually with powerful antibiotics.
Sorry if you think I am being a scare monger, Jim, but you are not protected.
look here
In reply to Post #181
Hi Ken.
It has been common for dogs, cattle and the like to be immunized against lepto worldwide and if you look at the attached info from the World Health Org. you will see that human vaccination is possible and practised but not without problems. It seems that there are so many strains of Lepto that immunisation can only be done against the known local/regional types. This is news to me but explains why the vaccine had to specially ordered for us.
The following is copied from the WHO information sheet.
Human protection How can humans be protected?
Much depends on detailed knowledge of how, where and when humans may become
infected in a particular area. One possibility is to increase awareness of the disease
among the population, risk groups and health care providers, so that the disease can
be recognized and treated as soon as possible. Doxycycline has been reported to give
some protection against infection and disease. In certain countries, vaccines for
humans are available, but it should be remembered that they may only provoke
immune responses to the serovars included in the vaccine (see Human immunization,
below and Annex 3 for further and more detailed information).
Human
Immunization
How can humans be protected by immunization?
Immunization by means of vaccines seems to provide a certain degree of protection.
Vaccines are, in principle, suspensions of killed leptospires. Protection is largely
serovar-specific. In areas where many serovars are causing leptospirosis, a vaccine
HUMAN LEPTOSPIROSIS: GUIDANCE FOR DIAGNOSIS, SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL
24
Human
immunization
must consist of different serovars matching those circulating locally. In some countries,
e.g. China, where many serovars occur, vaccines consist of a mixture of a few of the
most prevalent. Protective antibodies are produced only against the serovars present in
the particular vaccine us
Hi Ken.
It has been common for dogs, cattle and the like to be immunized against lepto worldwide and if you look at the attached info from the World Health Org. you will see that human vaccination is possible and practised but not without problems. It seems that there are so many strains of Lepto that immunisation can only be done against the known local/regional types. This is news to me but explains why the vaccine had to specially ordered for us.
The following is copied from the WHO information sheet.
Human protection How can humans be protected?
Much depends on detailed knowledge of how, where and when humans may become
infected in a particular area. One possibility is to increase awareness of the disease
among the population, risk groups and health care providers, so that the disease can
be recognized and treated as soon as possible. Doxycycline has been reported to give
some protection against infection and disease. In certain countries, vaccines for
humans are available, but it should be remembered that they may only provoke
immune responses to the serovars included in the vaccine (see Human immunization,
below and Annex 3 for further and more detailed information).
Human
Immunization
How can humans be protected by immunization?
Immunization by means of vaccines seems to provide a certain degree of protection.
Vaccines are, in principle, suspensions of killed leptospires. Protection is largely
serovar-specific. In areas where many serovars are causing leptospirosis, a vaccine
HUMAN LEPTOSPIROSIS: GUIDANCE FOR DIAGNOSIS, SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL
24
Human
immunization
must consist of different serovars matching those circulating locally. In some countries,
e.g. China, where many serovars occur, vaccines consist of a mixture of a few of the
most prevalent. Protective antibodies are produced only against the serovars present in
the particular vaccine us
In reply to Post #182
Ken. I have pm'd you some more information that seems to relate to the vaccinations we had.
Ken. I have pm'd you some more information that seems to relate to the vaccinations we had.
In reply to Post #183
Hi Jim:
Your PM answered and your specific points (hopefully) addressed, including the point you raised that in Japan they appear to have developed a working vaccine. I pointed out that this vaccine "may" give a degree of protection against just three of the 230 different lepto/Weils bacterium.
Vaccines against Lepto/Weils for animals have been tried on humans with lethal results. Not to be recommended at all
Hi Jim:
Your PM answered and your specific points (hopefully) addressed, including the point you raised that in Japan they appear to have developed a working vaccine. I pointed out that this vaccine "may" give a degree of protection against just three of the 230 different lepto/Weils bacterium.
Vaccines against Lepto/Weils for animals have been tried on humans with lethal results. Not to be recommended at all