Hi.
I've had a read through a previous thread on here from about a year ago. The conclusions were a bit vague. Search function didn't throw much else up.
Just wondering if anyone has had much experience with this either applied as a glug to hookbaits or added into the hookbait mix. Whether in the end it made much difference.
Cheers
I've had a read through a previous thread on here from about a year ago. The conclusions were a bit vague. Search function didn't throw much else up.
Just wondering if anyone has had much experience with this either applied as a glug to hookbaits or added into the hookbait mix. Whether in the end it made much difference.
Cheers
In reply to Post #1
Not sure you'll get much of a answer to this
I read soem reviews on one of the sites, can't remember if it was BAF or Swimstim but it's out there
Not sure you'll get much of a answer to this
I read soem reviews on one of the sites, can't remember if it was BAF or Swimstim but it's out there
In reply to Post #2
Not sure you'll get much of a answer to this
Our lasses pubic hair is black and nicely clipped
Not sure you'll get much of a answer to this
Our lasses pubic hair is black and nicely clipped
Thanks guys. I will do some further investigations elsewhere.
Unless of course someone wants to PM me.
Prepared to trade information for pics of Braders in a gimp suit and gas mask.
Unless of course someone wants to PM me.
Prepared to trade information for pics of Braders in a gimp suit and gas mask.
In reply to Post #4
Prepared to trade information for pics of Braders in a gimp suit and gas mask
Now that is seriously tempting
Prepared to trade information for pics of Braders in a gimp suit and gas mask
Now that is seriously tempting
In reply to Post #4
I've been using dmpt for 4years now.
It's in all my bait (home made) even in the freebies.
To be honest, I've never tested it 1 on 1 but always in longer periods with and without. And when I compare my catchrate, the baits with dmpt score better. But as said, I never fished both on the same next to each other.
I've been using dmpt for 4years now.
It's in all my bait (home made) even in the freebies.
To be honest, I've never tested it 1 on 1 but always in longer periods with and without. And when I compare my catchrate, the baits with dmpt score better. But as said, I never fished both on the same next to each other.
In reply to Post #6
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.
I've read two ways that both claim to be the best way to use it. One says mix it with the liquids and use it in the mix as it clumps together. Another I read says to apply it in solution to the finished baits.
Having used the stuff do you think one way would be better?
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.
I've read two ways that both claim to be the best way to use it. One says mix it with the liquids and use it in the mix as it clumps together. Another I read says to apply it in solution to the finished baits.
Having used the stuff do you think one way would be better?
In reply to Post #8
I put it in my egg/liquids. It's strong stuff I only put 0.1g in a 1 egg mix.
I put it in my egg/liquids. It's strong stuff I only put 0.1g in a 1 egg mix.
In reply to Post #9
I dissolve dmpt in water and add the water to the liquid part of my mixes. 1g/kg mix was more than enough
I dissolve dmpt in water and add the water to the liquid part of my mixes. 1g/kg mix was more than enough
Thanks to all.
In reply to Post #9
Just listened to the John Baker bait bros podcast and he mentions that dmpt can only be used as a bait soak, when boiled it's rendered useless. I've read lots of people adding it to their mixes before boiling. Can anyone expand or have any opinions on this? Cheers
Just listened to the John Baker bait bros podcast and he mentions that dmpt can only be used as a bait soak, when boiled it's rendered useless. I've read lots of people adding it to their mixes before boiling. Can anyone expand or have any opinions on this? Cheers
In reply to Post #12
I actually had an exceptional year using my hookbaits with dmpt in pre-boiling. Maybe it had no affect but the baits certainly worked well
I actually had an exceptional year using my hookbaits with dmpt in pre-boiling. Maybe it had no affect but the baits certainly worked well
In reply to Post #13
Nice. Do you mind saying what levels per egg you used? I was thinking 0.1g for hookbaits but can you go much higher? Do you mix straight in with egg or dilute with a little water before adding to the mix? Thanks!
Nice. Do you mind saying what levels per egg you used? I was thinking 0.1g for hookbaits but can you go much higher? Do you mix straight in with egg or dilute with a little water before adding to the mix? Thanks!
In reply to Post #14
Depends on the purity, many bigger firms that him use it pre and post boiling as well
Depends on the purity, many bigger firms that him use it pre and post boiling as well
In reply to Post #1
I added it to the liquids and eggs pre boiling at 0.2g for 1 egg. Didn't seem to make a difference in catch results at all. Also diluted it and added it to a dip and got a better response but certainly nothing special. IMO I would of caught more just fishing a quality bait without messing around with DMPT. You never know unless you give it a go. I would definitely add it to a dip or suchlike to avoid the boiling process. And stick to very low amounts.
I added it to the liquids and eggs pre boiling at 0.2g for 1 egg. Didn't seem to make a difference in catch results at all. Also diluted it and added it to a dip and got a better response but certainly nothing special. IMO I would of caught more just fishing a quality bait without messing around with DMPT. You never know unless you give it a go. I would definitely add it to a dip or suchlike to avoid the boiling process. And stick to very low amounts.
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I've been adding it at very similar levels to my hookbaits.
I remember a while back Frank Warwick saying that he made some hookbaits with outrageous amounts of NButyric acid in them. Many many times higher than the recommended levels and to his amazement he caught well on them.
So taking inspiration from this I've done a test batch of pop ups with a VERY elevated level of dmpt in them. Then I've glugged them in a diluted solution of them and proper loaded them up like you would a goo bait.
They absolutely stink. Completely over power's everything else. Absolutely horrible.
My results on them so far have been truly awful. :-)
I've been adding it at very similar levels to my hookbaits.
I remember a while back Frank Warwick saying that he made some hookbaits with outrageous amounts of NButyric acid in them. Many many times higher than the recommended levels and to his amazement he caught well on them.
So taking inspiration from this I've done a test batch of pop ups with a VERY elevated level of dmpt in them. Then I've glugged them in a diluted solution of them and proper loaded them up like you would a goo bait.
They absolutely stink. Completely over power's everything else. Absolutely horrible.
My results on them so far have been truly awful. :-)
In reply to Post #17
N-Butyric is a totally natural organic acid. Then we have chemical attractors such DMPT that can easily be overdone compared to a natural product. I did some tests on a clear estate lake with DMPT in baits and found carp where quickly attracted to the area but never fed on the bait, it was clear it had a pulling affect but once closer to the baits it seemed to actually repel fish. I took it as a sign I had overdone the DMPT. I reduced the amount and this time they where attracted as before but this time stayed and fed for a prolonged period. I did play about with only using it in a hookbait to try and induce a quicker take but I couldn't be sure on the results. If you get the levels wrong it can be harmful to your chances so I would definitely reduce the amount. I'm no bait guru mate just my findings on the subject I'm sure a lot of people have a different view.
N-Butyric is a totally natural organic acid. Then we have chemical attractors such DMPT that can easily be overdone compared to a natural product. I did some tests on a clear estate lake with DMPT in baits and found carp where quickly attracted to the area but never fed on the bait, it was clear it had a pulling affect but once closer to the baits it seemed to actually repel fish. I took it as a sign I had overdone the DMPT. I reduced the amount and this time they where attracted as before but this time stayed and fed for a prolonged period. I did play about with only using it in a hookbait to try and induce a quicker take but I couldn't be sure on the results. If you get the levels wrong it can be harmful to your chances so I would definitely reduce the amount. I'm no bait guru mate just my findings on the subject I'm sure a lot of people have a different view.
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I'm inclined to agree with you based on my recent findings. It was really an experiment for winter. Take a hookbait that I know catches. That's caught from this particular water and others. Don't change anything else except the DMPT. I was interested to see what effect it might have in very cold water temps at a silly level, given it's so soluble and that there's literally just the hookbaits, no free offering to attract or confuse the results.
Well unless something spectacular happens between now and spring I shall he going back to normal levels and binning these off. I'm a great believer in trying things out for yourself. Win some lose some. I'm pretty sure this idea is gonna fall firmly in the lose camp.
I'm inclined to agree with you based on my recent findings. It was really an experiment for winter. Take a hookbait that I know catches. That's caught from this particular water and others. Don't change anything else except the DMPT. I was interested to see what effect it might have in very cold water temps at a silly level, given it's so soluble and that there's literally just the hookbaits, no free offering to attract or confuse the results.
Well unless something spectacular happens between now and spring I shall he going back to normal levels and binning these off. I'm a great believer in trying things out for yourself. Win some lose some. I'm pretty sure this idea is gonna fall firmly in the lose camp.
In reply to Post #19
But why would you guys try to reinvent the wheel when white papers state that certain inclusion are nefast?
But why would you guys try to reinvent the wheel when white papers state that certain inclusion are nefast?
In reply to Post #21
Simple answer, for the fun of it. The day I start to read scientific papers about bait is the day I give up and become a golfist.
I like to do my experimenting by actually trying stuff out. Tinkering is part of the hobby I enjoy.
Simple answer, for the fun of it. The day I start to read scientific papers about bait is the day I give up and become a golfist.
I like to do my experimenting by actually trying stuff out. Tinkering is part of the hobby I enjoy.
In reply to Post #21
I believe scientific papers are very valuable to anyone making bait but it's obvious that a bait is very different to a feed pellet.
Unlike most baits the feed pellets wil usually be ingested within seconds after getting in the water.
Also a boiled bait will have lost some solubles during boiling and the rest will be partly bound by the eggs.
Last the ratios suggested by the papers is for optimum growth not for maximum attraction and maximum feed intake.
I believe scientific papers are very valuable to anyone making bait but it's obvious that a bait is very different to a feed pellet.
Unlike most baits the feed pellets wil usually be ingested within seconds after getting in the water.
Also a boiled bait will have lost some solubles during boiling and the rest will be partly bound by the eggs.
Last the ratios suggested by the papers is for optimum growth not for maximum attraction and maximum feed intake.
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I would have thought for feed pellets the most important figures are the cost v benefits and by benefits I mean growth, health and taste (of the fish) also in the overstocked environment fish are reared in, the amount of waste must surely be important.
I doubt your average boilie purchaser worries too much about any of this he just wants a bait the fish will eat.
I would have thought for feed pellets the most important figures are the cost v benefits and by benefits I mean growth, health and taste (of the fish) also in the overstocked environment fish are reared in, the amount of waste must surely be important.
I doubt your average boilie purchaser worries too much about any of this he just wants a bait the fish will eat.
In reply to Post #22
While I do read some scientific stuff it's only looking for clues to what I can experiment with, like you I do it for the fun.
While I do read some scientific stuff it's only looking for clues to what I can experiment with, like you I do it for the fun.
In reply to Post #24
Yes I believe so too but most of the white papers mostly focus on growth.
Yes I believe so too but most of the white papers mostly focus on growth.
In reply to Post #22
White papers are the clues that help us build the puzzles, try reading them, its boring as hell but so is digging for treasure til you find it.
White papers are the clues that help us build the puzzles, try reading them, its boring as hell but so is digging for treasure til you find it.
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Used it at recommended doses in both bottom hookbaits & various popups, pre & after boiling, and my conclusion is "don´t even both, waste of time" 
Used it at recommended doses in both bottom hookbaits & various popups, pre & after boiling, and my conclusion is "don´t even both, waste of time"
In reply to Post #28
Is dmpt ok to be diluted in to a liquid and added to freebies? Thinking fish brand liquid as it's thin and it will dissolve easily in to it. What levels of dmpt for 1 litre of liquid?
Cheers
Is dmpt ok to be diluted in to a liquid and added to freebies? Thinking fish brand liquid as it's thin and it will dissolve easily in to it. What levels of dmpt for 1 litre of liquid?
Cheers
In reply to Post #29
1 litre for 1kg boilies?
I would calculate the quantity of liquid you will use to soak 1kg boilies and dissolve 1,5gr of dmpt in that liquid
1 litre for 1kg boilies?
I would calculate the quantity of liquid you will use to soak 1kg boilies and dissolve 1,5gr of dmpt in that liquid
In reply to Post #29
It's prohibited as a feed ingredient, lures only I.e hookbaits
It's prohibited as a feed ingredient, lures only I.e hookbaits
Anyone any more recent thoughts on this stuff ? 
In reply to Post #32
I have used it by adding it to blank pop ops after boiling. I don't see the point to adding it anything preboil as all of the soluble parts near the surface that I want to leak out will be be lost in the boiling water.
I add a small amount to an empty tub, add a few ml of flavor, ee's & butyric acid shake it up & then half fill with baits & shake them up again so all the baits are coated.
I had some lightning quick bites on them in the spring - I can think of at least 3 times when I have put one on & the rod has gone within seconds of the lead hitting the bottom.
I have used it by adding it to blank pop ops after boiling. I don't see the point to adding it anything preboil as all of the soluble parts near the surface that I want to leak out will be be lost in the boiling water.
I add a small amount to an empty tub, add a few ml of flavor, ee's & butyric acid shake it up & then half fill with baits & shake them up again so all the baits are coated.
I had some lightning quick bites on them in the spring - I can think of at least 3 times when I have put one on & the rod has gone within seconds of the lead hitting the bottom.
Bit weird that some ex members had their entire post history wiped for arguing about bait, yet a convicted nonce still has his bullsh*t all over the place.
In reply to Post #32
Inttttttteresting!
Inttttttteresting!
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