Been thinking a lot about fermentation and how / why it's so attractive to carp. One of the products of the bacteria involved in this process is lactic acid. Has anyone tried adding this to bait by itself? Obviously the whole chemical profile of the fermentation isn't present, but my thinking is it could provoke a reaction..🤔 I know there are a lot of bait experts on here so any thoughts would be much appreciated.
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lots of organic acids given off during the fermentation process which are all proven carp attractors & there are plenty of papers out there around how they benefit carp (which can be drawn back to attraction - if something is good for you, you tend to like it & will have evolved to a certain degree to seek it out).
I tend to get my organic acids from other products (Fish sauce etc), however I know of others that have added them neat - in some cases at very elevated levels which have been productive & caught fish.
there's a recent paper that studied the effects of supplemental lactic acid on carp & it found that it was extremely beneficial for growth & stomach health https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/13/12/1934 - they found that the best levels are 5g kg (0.5%) so that would be a great place to start.
lots of organic acids given off during the fermentation process which are all proven carp attractors & there are plenty of papers out there around how they benefit carp (which can be drawn back to attraction - if something is good for you, you tend to like it & will have evolved to a certain degree to seek it out).
I tend to get my organic acids from other products (Fish sauce etc), however I know of others that have added them neat - in some cases at very elevated levels which have been productive & caught fish.
there's a recent paper that studied the effects of supplemental lactic acid on carp & it found that it was extremely beneficial for growth & stomach health https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/13/12/1934 - they found that the best levels are 5g kg (0.5%) so that would be a great place to start.
Very interesting read, thanks! Seems it had a positive effect on the overall fish health at that concentration. Something I'll definitely be trying 
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Many organic acids work in bait. I first heard of lactic being used in the 90's. I use a mixture of acids from Jason Rider now as its easier than making my own mix which I used to do. My mix had lactic in it but not 100% sure what Jays mix has but I trust him enough to not worry about it.
Many organic acids work in bait. I first heard of lactic being used in the 90's. I use a mixture of acids from Jason Rider now as its easier than making my own mix which I used to do. My mix had lactic in it but not 100% sure what Jays mix has but I trust him enough to not worry about it.
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Interesting stuff as ever and got me thinking that seeing as LA can improve intestinal enzymes would it therefore be beneficial to add lactic acid bacteria to a bait as a coating for a more natural signal, plus the benefit of products of the enzyme activity? I sure you'll remember activ 8 with the white spots, was this purely a result of the lab working in the bait?
Interesting stuff as ever and got me thinking that seeing as LA can improve intestinal enzymes would it therefore be beneficial to add lactic acid bacteria to a bait as a coating for a more natural signal, plus the benefit of products of the enzyme activity? I sure you'll remember activ 8 with the white spots, was this purely a result of the lab working in the bait?