As I suspected would be the case; Nashbait had everything in place ready for the new rules well in advance and will continue to export to the EU.
I'm baffled why the other big players weren't set-up ready to go. Perhaps the listing of ingredients on each bag of bait has put some off?
I'm baffled why the other big players weren't set-up ready to go. Perhaps the listing of ingredients on each bag of bait has put some off?
In reply to Post #105
I just don't see how British bait companies would have the funds to set up manufacturing plants and establish distribution lines for something so niche. Suspect it would involve a significant outlay of cash for not much ROI. Don't forget that French trips are fairly seasonal and there wouldn't be much demand for bait for about 4 months of the year.......
I just don't see how British bait companies would have the funds to set up manufacturing plants and establish distribution lines for something so niche. Suspect it would involve a significant outlay of cash for not much ROI. Don't forget that French trips are fairly seasonal and there wouldn't be much demand for bait for about 4 months of the year.......
In reply to Post #108
Korda are the distributors for Mainline. Whilst I don't think it is yet rolled in the EU there is certainly a distribution network in place via Korda.
Korda are the distributors for Mainline. Whilst I don't think it is yet rolled in the EU there is certainly a distribution network in place via Korda.
In reply to Post #109
Ok, but that's only one company. What about the likes of CC Moore, DNA, Baitworks and the smaller rolling companies? And while Korda may be able to distribute, there are still the issues of compliance and manufacture of baits. Unless an agreement can be reached (and I think that's unlikely as the current deal didn't legislate for it) it still looks like to sell bait in Europe it would have to be manufactured there.
And I don't think that bait companies have the resources to do that. It would be good if they were able to shed some light on this. I know Jason from DNA baits posts on here sometimes.
And as Jimmy LMDM says, a lot depends on how strict the Douanes are going to be with visiting carp anglers. It may be a non issue, but we won't get to know for a while.
Ok, but that's only one company. What about the likes of CC Moore, DNA, Baitworks and the smaller rolling companies? And while Korda may be able to distribute, there are still the issues of compliance and manufacture of baits. Unless an agreement can be reached (and I think that's unlikely as the current deal didn't legislate for it) it still looks like to sell bait in Europe it would have to be manufactured there.
And I don't think that bait companies have the resources to do that. It would be good if they were able to shed some light on this. I know Jason from DNA baits posts on here sometimes.
And as Jimmy LMDM says, a lot depends on how strict the Douanes are going to be with visiting carp anglers. It may be a non issue, but we won't get to know for a while.
In reply to Post #110
you dont have to manufacture it in eu, you just need to pay extra for papers and vet and other inspections on every single shipment. So it is a matter of getting bigger orders in to make it economical but nobody is gonna do that as 1. nobody knows when borders will be open for people to go fishing and 2. nobody knows if there will really be any big checks while entering eu to even make it worthwhile. It is February and no order opening in sight so there really is no rush for anything as it looks like at the moment. EU anglers can find themselves other baits more easily so no worries there.
you dont have to manufacture it in eu, you just need to pay extra for papers and vet and other inspections on every single shipment. So it is a matter of getting bigger orders in to make it economical but nobody is gonna do that as 1. nobody knows when borders will be open for people to go fishing and 2. nobody knows if there will really be any big checks while entering eu to even make it worthwhile. It is February and no order opening in sight so there really is no rush for anything as it looks like at the moment. EU anglers can find themselves other baits more easily so no worries there.
In reply to Post #111
Fair point.... but we're talking about bait for trips here, not general exporting. Which would done by individual order and every single order need the required forms and vetinary certificates. From my understanding, the paperwork is complicated and expensive it will increase the cost of bait so much it makes it cost prohibitive.
These difficulties aren't teething problems either-they are permanent.
It's either pray French Customs don't enforce or buy baits at the lake or from European suppliers, I fear.
Fair point.... but we're talking about bait for trips here, not general exporting. Which would done by individual order and every single order need the required forms and vetinary certificates. From my understanding, the paperwork is complicated and expensive it will increase the cost of bait so much it makes it cost prohibitive.
These difficulties aren't teething problems either-they are permanent.
It's either pray French Customs don't enforce or buy baits at the lake or from European suppliers, I fear.
In reply to Post #112
So hypothetically. If you were to order 20kg of boilies from baitology in Holland and had them delivered to UK, would you need paperwork to take them back to EU ?
So hypothetically. If you were to order 20kg of boilies from baitology in Holland and had them delivered to UK, would you need paperwork to take them back to EU ?
In reply to Post #113
That seems to be the case..... It's so complicated I can't be 100% sure!
That seems to be the case..... It's so complicated I can't be 100% sure!
In reply to Post #113
100% yes. After April, you'll also need those documents for the bait to get into the U.K. in the first place, but a different set (you can't use the same docs in both directions).
100% yes. After April, you'll also need those documents for the bait to get into the U.K. in the first place, but a different set (you can't use the same docs in both directions).
In reply to Post #114
Think the only way to be safe is going to be to wait to see what happens. TBH, I CBA with ton's of paperwork to take 20kg boilies across on the tunnel, I would suspect most venues will respond to the problem with their own supplies of branded baits IF it becomes a continuing issue, either that or face confiscation of what you try and sneak in, but you can bet that the French authorities will make an example out of people until no body takes any over.
Post issue edit: I might however stuff a few tubs of decent pop ups in hard to find locations as I'd fancy my chances with that lol.
Think the only way to be safe is going to be to wait to see what happens. TBH, I CBA with ton's of paperwork to take 20kg boilies across on the tunnel, I would suspect most venues will respond to the problem with their own supplies of branded baits IF it becomes a continuing issue, either that or face confiscation of what you try and sneak in, but you can bet that the French authorities will make an example out of people until no body takes any over.
Post issue edit: I might however stuff a few tubs of decent pop ups in hard to find locations as I'd fancy my chances with that lol.
Like I've said before if you leave some cheap
Bait /maize and maybe some air dried boilies you've had for years 1kg in a prominent position and get stopped they might confiscate that and thing they've got a result 👍
Plenty of other places in vehicles to hide your bait in
Bait /maize and maybe some air dried boilies you've had for years 1kg in a prominent position and get stopped they might confiscate that and thing they've got a result 👍
Plenty of other places in vehicles to hide your bait in
In reply to Post #108
Sorry, I was referring to the bigger picture - more about the established brands like Sticky etc. continuing to supply EU markets. I know Korda distribute the Mainline range through their Euro HQ in Limburg, NL. I was told that CC Moore used to have their baits rolled in Holland as it was more cost-effective initially than buying their own kit. I think the bait companies will work out whether it's a) worth exporting with the additional admin b) making bait for sale in the EU using their own op or an EU rolling co. or c) sacking it altogether like John Lewis did.
‘Never knowingly underrolled' 🤣
Sorry, I was referring to the bigger picture - more about the established brands like Sticky etc. continuing to supply EU markets. I know Korda distribute the Mainline range through their Euro HQ in Limburg, NL. I was told that CC Moore used to have their baits rolled in Holland as it was more cost-effective initially than buying their own kit. I think the bait companies will work out whether it's a) worth exporting with the additional admin b) making bait for sale in the EU using their own op or an EU rolling co. or c) sacking it altogether like John Lewis did.
‘Never knowingly underrolled' 🤣
In reply to Post #115
So restrictive practice then if the produce is made in the EU and suitable for use there it should not make any difference that it has left the Franco German empire and is now returning 😉
So restrictive practice then if the produce is made in the EU and suitable for use there it should not make any difference that it has left the Franco German empire and is now returning 😉
In reply to Post #119
It's the same for all industries now we've left the EU, we have to abide by their rules. An engine block cast in Germany, sent to JLR in Birmingham, built and tested then sent to the JLR factory in Slovenia then the Range Rover is bought by someone in London. Same issues, we chose to make it this way and predicted it
It's the same for all industries now we've left the EU, we have to abide by their rules. An engine block cast in Germany, sent to JLR in Birmingham, built and tested then sent to the JLR factory in Slovenia then the Range Rover is bought by someone in London. Same issues, we chose to make it this way and predicted it
In reply to Post #120
yep - this is just the tip of the nasty iceberg
very messy - when the Army have to fill out customs declarations forms to transport their equipment to NI (yes that NI that is part of the UK) then you know we're up that famous creek....
my tip is to go old school. that lovely French bread is perfect for carp fishing and it'll be dirt cheap when you get there...
yep - this is just the tip of the nasty iceberg
very messy - when the Army have to fill out customs declarations forms to transport their equipment to NI (yes that NI that is part of the UK) then you know we're up that famous creek....
my tip is to go old school. that lovely French bread is perfect for carp fishing and it'll be dirt cheap when you get there...