In reply to Post #58
You're definitely as thick as him and yes you are most definitely WOKE.
How many times does it have to be pointed out to people like you that when you are losing the argument you pull out the racist card, do you even know You're doing it?
I'm not wound up I'm cracking up in laughter watching all you WOKE Leftys swimming against the tide day in day out and the best bit is the tide is only getting stronger.
You're definitely as thick as him and yes you are most definitely WOKE.
How many times does it have to be pointed out to people like you that when you are losing the argument you pull out the racist card, do you even know You're doing it?
I'm not wound up I'm cracking up in laughter watching all you WOKE Leftys swimming against the tide day in day out and the best bit is the tide is only getting stronger.
In reply to Post #59
There you go making judgement without all the information again.
I've seen the body cam footage. I asked you to point me in the direction of what you are seemingly convinced is footage that absolutely disproves any race related context because having seen Chauvins video, I do not agree that it disproves it at all.
Chauvin is on trial because a man died while he was kneeling on his neck. That would be the same regardless of colour. He's not on trial for racism. However, to try and pretend that the facts of the incident don't fit into a wider context of those issues in the US - and in the way the police operate - is blinkered.
Because of this wider context and the very questionable history of too many related events; there is huge public interest. It's race related because of the individuals involved, whether you agree or not. The facts are that simple. I'm afraid the white victimhood stuff just doesn't wash (if Floyd was white nobody would care etc.) .
As for getting 'all' of the information I'm afraid that's not going to be possible for anyone now as one of the individuals isn't able to present his case.
There you go making judgement without all the information again.
I've seen the body cam footage. I asked you to point me in the direction of what you are seemingly convinced is footage that absolutely disproves any race related context because having seen Chauvins video, I do not agree that it disproves it at all.
Chauvin is on trial because a man died while he was kneeling on his neck. That would be the same regardless of colour. He's not on trial for racism. However, to try and pretend that the facts of the incident don't fit into a wider context of those issues in the US - and in the way the police operate - is blinkered.
Because of this wider context and the very questionable history of too many related events; there is huge public interest. It's race related because of the individuals involved, whether you agree or not. The facts are that simple. I'm afraid the white victimhood stuff just doesn't wash (if Floyd was white nobody would care etc.) .
As for getting 'all' of the information I'm afraid that's not going to be possible for anyone now as one of the individuals isn't able to present his case.
Response to Heff and Spinbowler;-
Heff, please re-read my post. I meant I'm not going to explain racism. I didn't call anyone racist and was trying to articulate why people don't try to understand racism is because if they did understand, they might not like what they see in the mirror. So, the defence mechanism is to deny that it exists, or deliberately avoid understanding the issue, to stop that view from being challenged. You can't solve a problem until you acknowledge it's existence. So- racism doesn't exist equals I don't have to think about about what l say or do and if you happen to be called out the response is don't you dare call me racist.
Spinbowler;- I'm not the one resorting to petty insults and thanks for completely proving my point by responding as I predicted, you silly sausage!
Fact;- black people disproportionally die at the hands of US law enforcement in comparison to white people. There are numerous examples of innocent and sometimes not so innocent black people being shot to death by and for emphasis, just so you're clear MAINLY WHITE Police Officers. Why do you think that happens? Do you really think that would have happened to a white man?
Any right minded person should be appalled at what happened to George Floyd. No matter what his criminal record may or may not be, lethal force was exerted that day which was completely disproportionate to those events and a man died at the hands of a Police Officer when he shouldn't have. Or are you saying it's ok for Police to end a life because they're a (black) wrong un?
Heff, please re-read my post. I meant I'm not going to explain racism. I didn't call anyone racist and was trying to articulate why people don't try to understand racism is because if they did understand, they might not like what they see in the mirror. So, the defence mechanism is to deny that it exists, or deliberately avoid understanding the issue, to stop that view from being challenged. You can't solve a problem until you acknowledge it's existence. So- racism doesn't exist equals I don't have to think about about what l say or do and if you happen to be called out the response is don't you dare call me racist.
Spinbowler;- I'm not the one resorting to petty insults and thanks for completely proving my point by responding as I predicted, you silly sausage!
Fact;- black people disproportionally die at the hands of US law enforcement in comparison to white people. There are numerous examples of innocent and sometimes not so innocent black people being shot to death by and for emphasis, just so you're clear MAINLY WHITE Police Officers. Why do you think that happens? Do you really think that would have happened to a white man?
Any right minded person should be appalled at what happened to George Floyd. No matter what his criminal record may or may not be, lethal force was exerted that day which was completely disproportionate to those events and a man died at the hands of a Police Officer when he shouldn't have. Or are you saying it's ok for Police to end a life because they're a (black) wrong un?
In reply to Post #62
What judgement did i make? Just because you say something doesnt make it true.
Why do i need to absolutely disprove the that i dont think there is a racial element to this. Im not the one making that call based purely on the colour of the people involveds skin? That is, yourself, as well as many others around the world with the same opinion, based on what. Please explain why this is a racist incident?
Wether there is a wider context of those issues in the us, that doesnt mean it applies to every incident. Every incident should be looked at individually.. You cant just say something is racist because the colour of peoples skin. The world went crazy because it decided that incident was racist. There is no proof that it is racist, and the body worm, which shows far more of the incident than the 9 minutes of kneeling, do not show it was related to anyones race.
You asked me about working for the mineappolis police or medical services in the us earlier. How long have you lived in america to be able to make statements about how the police operate in the us?
What judgement did i make? Just because you say something doesnt make it true.
Why do i need to absolutely disprove the that i dont think there is a racial element to this. Im not the one making that call based purely on the colour of the people involveds skin? That is, yourself, as well as many others around the world with the same opinion, based on what. Please explain why this is a racist incident?
Wether there is a wider context of those issues in the us, that doesnt mean it applies to every incident. Every incident should be looked at individually.. You cant just say something is racist because the colour of peoples skin. The world went crazy because it decided that incident was racist. There is no proof that it is racist, and the body worm, which shows far more of the incident than the 9 minutes of kneeling, do not show it was related to anyones race.
You asked me about working for the mineappolis police or medical services in the us earlier. How long have you lived in america to be able to make statements about how the police operate in the us?
In reply to Post #63
Who said racism doesnt exist? Im meary saying that we cant just someones actions based on limited facts. You can have an opinion, but to say its definitely a racist incident is obsurd.
I take an objective biew on everything, i dont jump to conclusions based on media and social media input. I dont jump on band wagons.
And i said effectively calling someone a racist, which you below comment is doing
And l guess you don't really want to know either because then you would have to acknowledge that you're probably racist too.
Who said racism doesnt exist? Im meary saying that we cant just someones actions based on limited facts. You can have an opinion, but to say its definitely a racist incident is obsurd.
I take an objective biew on everything, i dont jump to conclusions based on media and social media input. I dont jump on band wagons.
And i said effectively calling someone a racist, which you below comment is doing
And l guess you don't really want to know either because then you would have to acknowledge that you're probably racist too.
In reply to Post #65
Also, please link these facts about disproportionate killings of black people by the police if you wouldnt mind. Nothing like data to support an argument
And no one is saying its not appalling. It was wrong. But back to my original pount. It wont be a fair trial. Wether guilty or not, everyone is entitled to that
Also, please link these facts about disproportionate killings of black people by the police if you wouldnt mind. Nothing like data to support an argument
And no one is saying its not appalling. It was wrong. But back to my original pount. It wont be a fair trial. Wether guilty or not, everyone is entitled to that
In reply to Post #64
Your judgement of my knowledge of the case, of me being unaware of the chauvin body cam footage. . .
With regard to the incident and race, it will be looked at indivually by a jury. The wider context in terms of race and public interest cannot be ignored.
You make the claim that the footage disproves racism. It doesn't disprove it at all. Unless you care to explain how you see that it does of course?
And again, as I've said, he's not on trial for being racist.
Your judgement of my knowledge of the case, of me being unaware of the chauvin body cam footage. . .
With regard to the incident and race, it will be looked at indivually by a jury. The wider context in terms of race and public interest cannot be ignored.
You make the claim that the footage disproves racism. It doesn't disprove it at all. Unless you care to explain how you see that it does of course?
And again, as I've said, he's not on trial for being racist.
In reply to Post #66
I'm just going to make a final point here. Fair trial? For the cop whose actions were directly responsible for a man's death? He gets a better shot at justice than George Floyd ever will...... and if you can't see the huge paradox in that statement, l can't help you.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's acquitted of all charges....l mean Rodney King did a helluva job assaulting those batons with his head and body.
I'm just going to make a final point here. Fair trial? For the cop whose actions were directly responsible for a man's death? He gets a better shot at justice than George Floyd ever will...... and if you can't see the huge paradox in that statement, l can't help you.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's acquitted of all charges....l mean Rodney King did a helluva job assaulting those batons with his head and body.
In reply to Post #67
Well you asked where to find it did you not, suggesting you hadnt seen it and werent aware of it
And can you explain how the initial footage shows it was racist? Which is what everyone was losing their mind over. Im sure this stuff happens all the time out there, with various races being both victim and suspect. But you dont hear about those because the media dont tell you about them.
The media revels in division, and if you cant see that the media do nothing to prevent it, then you need to open your eyes to the wider world
Well you asked where to find it did you not, suggesting you hadnt seen it and werent aware of it
And can you explain how the initial footage shows it was racist? Which is what everyone was losing their mind over. Im sure this stuff happens all the time out there, with various races being both victim and suspect. But you dont hear about those because the media dont tell you about them.
The media revels in division, and if you cant see that the media do nothing to prevent it, then you need to open your eyes to the wider world
In reply to Post #66
The only person who knows if this is a racial incident is sitting behind a desk in the court house!
He is not on trial for being a racist but a cop who apparently failed in his duty of care to someone in his custody. It doesn't matter the colour of the dead person it matters that the correct procedures and whether human kindness were neglected, forgotten or disregarded.
Murder - no, Negligent manslaughter - yes, without the full hearing of evidence.
But thats not the issue here for MSM, activists , community leaders and politicians all vying to improve their kudos, remain in spotlight, fame and money. They ride on the back of these incidents and to be quite honest don't give 2 ****s about racism, oppression or people. Before this incident I bet they wouldn't even give GF loose change for a cup of coffee if he begged them and i bet the suit GF lawyer is wearing was worth more than GF's worldly belongings.
The next outcome of the result of the trial will be what make of trainers or handbag can i get for myself or whether i can play at being an anarchist but still go home for my breakfast!
Everyone wins in this situation except GF, honest law abiding moral people and justice.
The only person who knows if this is a racial incident is sitting behind a desk in the court house!
He is not on trial for being a racist but a cop who apparently failed in his duty of care to someone in his custody. It doesn't matter the colour of the dead person it matters that the correct procedures and whether human kindness were neglected, forgotten or disregarded.
Murder - no, Negligent manslaughter - yes, without the full hearing of evidence.
But thats not the issue here for MSM, activists , community leaders and politicians all vying to improve their kudos, remain in spotlight, fame and money. They ride on the back of these incidents and to be quite honest don't give 2 ****s about racism, oppression or people. Before this incident I bet they wouldn't even give GF loose change for a cup of coffee if he begged them and i bet the suit GF lawyer is wearing was worth more than GF's worldly belongings.
The next outcome of the result of the trial will be what make of trainers or handbag can i get for myself or whether i can play at being an anarchist but still go home for my breakfast!
Everyone wins in this situation except GF, honest law abiding moral people and justice.
Hi All
I'm not a Catholic priest, I've never hit a woman, I was once arrested for punching a police horse. I've never stolen a car, never done a burglary and I've never been jailed. Kiddy fiddler? Nah, granny basher? Nah. Do I care who you pray to? Nah.
So just out of interest can anyone guess my skin colour?
The fact of the matter is it matters not a ****, both sides of the debate will hopefully realise one day only a man's actions define him
And for me...Mr Floyd had defined himself long before the incident
Best
Jon
I'm not a Catholic priest, I've never hit a woman, I was once arrested for punching a police horse. I've never stolen a car, never done a burglary and I've never been jailed. Kiddy fiddler? Nah, granny basher? Nah. Do I care who you pray to? Nah.
So just out of interest can anyone guess my skin colour?
The fact of the matter is it matters not a ****, both sides of the debate will hopefully realise one day only a man's actions define him
And for me...Mr Floyd had defined himself long before the incident
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #71
Quote I read today
"we seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what someone else did"
Todays society
Quote I read today
"we seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what someone else did"
Todays society
In reply to Post #68
Very well put. If Chauvin had done his job better, we'd perhaps all not be talking about the trial of George Floyd for passing on a fake note...
Fishie - absolutely agree with that first point. And much of the rest of your post too. I guess I'd add that there are also many people who see this moment to have a voice heard for the sake of positive change too.
Johnny.... you punched a horse?!?! WTF?
Very well put. If Chauvin had done his job better, we'd perhaps all not be talking about the trial of George Floyd for passing on a fake note...
Fishie - absolutely agree with that first point. And much of the rest of your post too. I guess I'd add that there are also many people who see this moment to have a voice heard for the sake of positive change too.
Johnny.... you punched a horse?!?! WTF?
In reply to Post #73
Hi Mal
"Johnny.... you punched a horse?!?! WTF?"
Yeah, sorry, but in the new woke world I've got to own it apparently.
I'm not proud, but yes it happened.
At twickers, just lost to France and a police horse decided to nuzzle my neck so I punched the ****er
Not my best moment
Best
Jon
Hi Mal
"Johnny.... you punched a horse?!?! WTF?"
Yeah, sorry, but in the new woke world I've got to own it apparently.
I'm not proud, but yes it happened.
At twickers, just lost to France and a police horse decided to nuzzle my neck so I punched the ****er
Not my best moment
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #66
Did this accused officer get a fair hearing when he was fired by Minneapolis PD immediately? Notice the other officers present are still serving. Fair is as fair as you can be in the digital world mate. There's no alternative.
Did this accused officer get a fair hearing when he was fired by Minneapolis PD immediately? Notice the other officers present are still serving. Fair is as fair as you can be in the digital world mate. There's no alternative.