In reply to Post #60
Why compare them to high end shimano or daiwa?
They are only 100quid each. So would make more sense to compare them to similar priced reels from daiwa and shimano: crosscast x and windcast x from daiwa and shimano Biomaster and navi.
Think i could predict the answer though. Do look good value for money.
P.s. To be fair, i did read a bold statement too until someone pointed out the guys only experience was of shimano baitrunner, so hardly high end. Its in this thread
Why compare them to high end shimano or daiwa?
They are only 100quid each. So would make more sense to compare them to similar priced reels from daiwa and shimano: crosscast x and windcast x from daiwa and shimano Biomaster and navi.
Think i could predict the answer though. Do look good value for money.
P.s. To be fair, i did read a bold statement too until someone pointed out the guys only experience was of shimano baitrunner, so hardly high end. Its in this thread
In reply to Post #61
In reply to Post #61
I have yet to see anyone compare them to high end reels. Are we talking mgs and z45's?
Or high end shims like stellas and daiwas top end saltigas? Or run of the mill surf reels from both companies?
If you want a penn to compare with those high end one then sorry but it wont be the affinity it would be the torque
The affinity is no doubt made to a price. The thing to rember is so are shims and daiwas who have had europe almost to themselves in recent years its only with the advent of okuma that there has been any competition since quantum and the other big players in reels worldwide failed to get hold of the carp bug.
This is penns second attempt at it the first was ignored by many a big loss on their part as the original carp reel they did if you want a comparison isnt far of the old tournaments from daiwa in build quality and longevity, it lacked a few of daiwas refinments though like the spool guard etc
I have yet to see anyone compare them to high end reels. Are we talking mgs and z45's?
Or high end shims like stellas and daiwas top end saltigas? Or run of the mill surf reels from both companies?
If you want a penn to compare with those high end one then sorry but it wont be the affinity it would be the torque
The affinity is no doubt made to a price. The thing to rember is so are shims and daiwas who have had europe almost to themselves in recent years its only with the advent of okuma that there has been any competition since quantum and the other big players in reels worldwide failed to get hold of the carp bug.
This is penns second attempt at it the first was ignored by many a big loss on their part as the original carp reel they did if you want a comparison isnt far of the old tournaments from daiwa in build quality and longevity, it lacked a few of daiwas refinments though like the spool guard etc
In reply to Post #63
Think you meant to reply to other guy.
Think you meant to reply to other guy.
In reply to Post #64
My phone double posted it so it was in response to the last post before mine, well the first bit was.the rest is just general opinion based on owning a few penns over the years and lots of big reels most of which have been not as good as the hype generated at the time of release. For what its worth I think penns are a better buy if you want a fairly low priced reel and wont be overly bothered by resale values on the carp market. For a true idea of what penns are like and how highly valued they are then look at ebay and see how much beat up (looks wise) old spinfishers and stuff like surfmaster 70's go for. One sea angler I know has offered me 150 quid each for my old ones as they have been looked after and will probably still be good in 30 years or so. Ok they may have been superceeded by several orders of magnitude by then but some reels do keep going and have a cult following by people who value dependability its why daiwa still produce the black and gold series charter skippers love them as they are simple robust and cabable of dealing with horrendous angling day in day out, the same goes for the metal spinfishers
My phone double posted it so it was in response to the last post before mine, well the first bit was.the rest is just general opinion based on owning a few penns over the years and lots of big reels most of which have been not as good as the hype generated at the time of release. For what its worth I think penns are a better buy if you want a fairly low priced reel and wont be overly bothered by resale values on the carp market. For a true idea of what penns are like and how highly valued they are then look at ebay and see how much beat up (looks wise) old spinfishers and stuff like surfmaster 70's go for. One sea angler I know has offered me 150 quid each for my old ones as they have been looked after and will probably still be good in 30 years or so. Ok they may have been superceeded by several orders of magnitude by then but some reels do keep going and have a cult following by people who value dependability its why daiwa still produce the black and gold series charter skippers love them as they are simple robust and cabable of dealing with horrendous angling day in day out, the same goes for the metal spinfishers
In reply to Post #58
The ild pm's are a tad older than that your talking mid to late 90's when they were replaced by the emblem s, x and z models
The ild pm's are a tad older than that your talking mid to late 90's when they were replaced by the emblem s, x and z models
In reply to Post #65
I posted before you but your reply seems directed to the person before me who wants comparison to high end daiwa/shimano. I was saying there is no point comparing the affinity to high end carp reels from shimano and daiwa, instead mentioned models from both in similar price range.
P.s. Also you have mentioned penn at length before for lasting and i pointed out then, you are talking about penn reels when penn were owned by a different company. Early signs are good for affinity but its only a few years proof so far, everyone is waiting to see how well they last, me included on an avocast I use as a marker.
I posted before you but your reply seems directed to the person before me who wants comparison to high end daiwa/shimano. I was saying there is no point comparing the affinity to high end carp reels from shimano and daiwa, instead mentioned models from both in similar price range.
P.s. Also you have mentioned penn at length before for lasting and i pointed out then, you are talking about penn reels when penn were owned by a different company. Early signs are good for affinity but its only a few years proof so far, everyone is waiting to see how well they last, me included on an avocast I use as a marker.
In reply to Post #67
they were owned by the same company then k2, its just now k2 have aquired a few more they have created the pure fishing arm of the company to put them under one roof.
they were owned by the same company then k2, its just now k2 have aquired a few more they have created the pure fishing arm of the company to put them under one roof.
In reply to Post #67
yes sorry id taken a point in your post from the previous post and rolled it into one reply
yes sorry id taken a point in your post from the previous post and rolled it into one reply
In reply to Post #68
K2 have owned penn since 2007, so in past threads when you mention they last 10 years, its impossible a penn reel since ownership of k2 has lasted that long. You are talking about reels pre k2 and pre pure fishing. Also Penn reels back in the day were made in usa, now its china.
Fyi I mean no negativity to the affinities or avocast. Far from it
K2 have owned penn since 2007, so in past threads when you mention they last 10 years, its impossible a penn reel since ownership of k2 has lasted that long. You are talking about reels pre k2 and pre pure fishing. Also Penn reels back in the day were made in usa, now its china.
Fyi I mean no negativity to the affinities or avocast. Far from it
In reply to Post #70
you sir are correct mine are proper penns, its the subsequent surfmaster that was produced by k2
they were crap
they were not that bad they did actually cast better than the old ones
you know i knew that and ive got it wrong in my my head mine were made before any takeover occured
ill offer the apology now
mine are korean made for years its only been higher end models made in the US
you sir are correct mine are proper penns, its the subsequent surfmaster that was produced by k2
they were crap
they were not that bad they did actually cast better than the old onesyou know i knew that and ive got it wrong in my my head mine were made before any takeover occured
ill offer the apology now
mine are korean made for years its only been higher end models made in the US
In reply to Post #66
Thanks for that reply. I know how long they have been out for, hence my post stating "(Well new to me anyways)".
Thanks for that reply. I know how long they have been out for, hence my post stating "(Well new to me anyways)".
In reply to Post #72
No problem using the pics m8...:-)
And owned most of the high end reels, Basia's , Mgs, XT10000's.
Dont think these are that far behind to be honoust.
Gr Roy
No problem using the pics m8...:-)
And owned most of the high end reels, Basia's , Mgs, XT10000's.
Dont think these are that far behind to be honoust.
Gr Roy
In reply to Post #65
I own 8 Penn Reels.
3 x Affinity 8000 on my NG's
2 x AF4000 on my Barbel Rods
and still use 3 x Surfmaster 70's on my M 1's as you can see in the piccy, rather "battered" but after over 12 years of faultless service I would expect a bit of cosmetic damage.
I own 8 Penn Reels.
3 x Affinity 8000 on my NG's
2 x AF4000 on my Barbel Rods
and still use 3 x Surfmaster 70's on my M 1's as you can see in the piccy, rather "battered" but after over 12 years of faultless service I would expect a bit of cosmetic damage.
In reply to Post #74
Wonder if can get these in the US and if they be much cheaper? Off there in a couple of months.
Wonder if can get these in the US and if they be much cheaper? Off there in a couple of months.