In reply to Post #46
I will not be at all surprised if most of Europe is on the green list next month. Doubtless travel will come with testing and quarantine provisos. You may think this will be madness but the pressure is on, it just wouldn't surprise me.
I will not be at all surprised if most of Europe is on the green list next month. Doubtless travel will come with testing and quarantine provisos. You may think this will be madness but the pressure is on, it just wouldn't surprise me.
In reply to Post #47
If its on the "Green list" then there is no quarantine required.
I doubt most of Europe will make the green list until later on in the year. Some may even initially be on the red list (France? ) because of the SA strain. I suspect most will make the Green list by about or around October 2021.
Fishing in France this year is likely to be off the cards for most. Remember to get a vaccine passport you need both doeses and a further 14 days. Even for an oder (55+) like me that's early July time.
Politically Bojo cannot afford to open up world travel without restrictions given the economic damage any further lockdown will cause, here. He made that mistake (open borders) at the outset of all of this. Not going to repeat it. He is going to be very cautious in my opinion on this, regardless of the pressure.
Proper and complete unrestricted travel (likely to be subject to a vaccine passport) is not likely to occur until first quarter of 2022 at the earliest. Australia has confirmed its borders are likely to remain shut until July 2022!!
So its possible that even the first few months of next year France may require quarantine upon returning.
A constant feature of this "pandemic" has been the over optimistic timescales people have put on all of this, our "leaders" included. Remember "3 weeks to flattern the curve"?
They either knew or know and didn't /don't want to tell us all the reality as the public would freak out (my opinion) or are just bloody useless!
I would not book anything anywhere for the foreseeable future!
If its on the "Green list" then there is no quarantine required.
I doubt most of Europe will make the green list until later on in the year. Some may even initially be on the red list (France? ) because of the SA strain. I suspect most will make the Green list by about or around October 2021.
Fishing in France this year is likely to be off the cards for most. Remember to get a vaccine passport you need both doeses and a further 14 days. Even for an oder (55+) like me that's early July time.
Politically Bojo cannot afford to open up world travel without restrictions given the economic damage any further lockdown will cause, here. He made that mistake (open borders) at the outset of all of this. Not going to repeat it. He is going to be very cautious in my opinion on this, regardless of the pressure.
Proper and complete unrestricted travel (likely to be subject to a vaccine passport) is not likely to occur until first quarter of 2022 at the earliest. Australia has confirmed its borders are likely to remain shut until July 2022!!
So its possible that even the first few months of next year France may require quarantine upon returning.
A constant feature of this "pandemic" has been the over optimistic timescales people have put on all of this, our "leaders" included. Remember "3 weeks to flattern the curve"?
They either knew or know and didn't /don't want to tell us all the reality as the public would freak out (my opinion) or are just bloody useless!
I would not book anything anywhere for the foreseeable future!
In reply to Post #48
The South Africa strain only accounts for 4.9% of covid cases in France.
https://sante.journaldesfemmes.fr/fiches-maladies/2693761-variant-sud-africain-du-covid-en-france-symptomes-vaccin-carte-dangereux-nom-difference-variant-anglais-1615288645.amphtml/
The South Africa strain only accounts for 4.9% of covid cases in France.
https://sante.journaldesfemmes.fr/fiches-maladies/2693761-variant-sud-africain-du-covid-en-france-symptomes-vaccin-carte-dangereux-nom-difference-variant-anglais-1615288645.amphtml/
In reply to Post #48
My bad - green or amber list.
My bad - green or amber list.
In reply to Post #48
My bad - green or amber list.
My bad - green or amber list.
In reply to Post #49
4.9% and largely in the east of France
I'm guessing France will still be red until at least 28th June, but it could make the amber list.
Portugal is now proving that without large parts of the population vaccinated the case rate flies straight back up once u ease restrictions so the EU needs to get moving on the vaccinations.
Government will moveEU to green for the summer if only for a month or two
4.9% and largely in the east of France
I'm guessing France will still be red until at least 28th June, but it could make the amber list.
Portugal is now proving that without large parts of the population vaccinated the case rate flies straight back up once u ease restrictions so the EU needs to get moving on the vaccinations.
Government will moveEU to green for the summer if only for a month or two
In reply to Post #52
Bet they don't!
Hope I am wrong. But I really can't see Bojo taking that risk. Not until all of Europe has got on top of infection rates and vaccination. That will not be until the autumn at the earliest.
We will see.
Bet they don't!
Hope I am wrong. But I really can't see Bojo taking that risk. Not until all of Europe has got on top of infection rates and vaccination. That will not be until the autumn at the earliest.
We will see.
In reply to Post #52
What makes you think that if Johnson lets the uk go abroad this summer, that the EU will be letting you in, when the highest strain in France is the " anglaise variante "
What makes you think that if Johnson lets the uk go abroad this summer, that the EU will be letting you in, when the highest strain in France is the " anglaise variante "
In reply to Post #54
When I moved my booking to 2023 the lake owner was confident the week could be filled as plenty waiting to fish the place. I had booked two years earlier and it was one of the last weeks available. What I did say when I moved the booking was that he could keep my deposit and I would pay another one for 2023 as I realise how hard this must be for them financially. To be fair to him he did not take me up on my offer but if he can't have any anglers the week I should have been there then the deposit is still there if he wants it, can't be fairer than that.
When I moved my booking to 2023 the lake owner was confident the week could be filled as plenty waiting to fish the place. I had booked two years earlier and it was one of the last weeks available. What I did say when I moved the booking was that he could keep my deposit and I would pay another one for 2023 as I realise how hard this must be for them financially. To be fair to him he did not take me up on my offer but if he can't have any anglers the week I should have been there then the deposit is still there if he wants it, can't be fairer than that.
I would put money on it that rates go up and we go back into lockdown .
Just looking today people have just thought sod it and are doing what they like .
I think 2021 will be a washout for trips and if it were me I would probably go for a 2025 booking 🤭🤫😷
Just looking today people have just thought sod it and are doing what they like .
I think 2021 will be a washout for trips and if it were me I would probably go for a 2025 booking 🤭🤫😷
In reply to Post #52
As Chile is proving, vaccination doesn't mean lower infection rates. Death rates yes. A vaccine doesn't stop the spread or contraction. If you work purely on infection rates you will never get abroad, vaccines or not.
As Chile is proving, vaccination doesn't mean lower infection rates. Death rates yes. A vaccine doesn't stop the spread or contraction. If you work purely on infection rates you will never get abroad, vaccines or not.
In reply to Post #57
instead of working on quality, fast, easy to do self tests they are investing billions in vaccines that are totally useless when virus mutates properly... how everything is being handled there is no hope for another few years...
instead of working on quality, fast, easy to do self tests they are investing billions in vaccines that are totally useless when virus mutates properly... how everything is being handled there is no hope for another few years...
In reply to Post #58
Yes, testing is where they need to invest. Effective track and trace along with fast and accurate testing is the way forward. Hoping for a covid cure is a non starter. But the politicians will probably go with both approaches as they can rinse more money out of the public doing both test, track, trace and vaccination.
Yes, testing is where they need to invest. Effective track and trace along with fast and accurate testing is the way forward. Hoping for a covid cure is a non starter. But the politicians will probably go with both approaches as they can rinse more money out of the public doing both test, track, trace and vaccination.
In reply to Post #59
At least a few on here understand the reality not the fairy tale .
At least a few on here understand the reality not the fairy tale .
In reply to Post #57
Well put Bullseye.
Well put Bullseye.