Used to make a lot of bait with my mate, he had Profi Boiliebenz machines in 2 different sizes with auto cutter then a 2,4 and 8kg pneumatic air guns, 2x 50ltr stock pots and double tar burner for boiling process Crypto Peerless mixer that could knock up 10kg of paste (if you wanted to), generally only used the 2Kg gun as the 4kg guns the 8kg only got used very rarely as they would bottle neck the boiling process the mixer and machines were capable of turning out a lot of boilies in quick time but then you had trays of them drying out before you could boil them, making enough paste at a time and the 2kg gun kept a control on things otherwise you would of needed a couple of bath sized stock pots to keep up, didn't like the idea of the trays of bait sitting around for hours before getting them boiled, the other annoying thing to factor was the noise of the compressor when it kicked in.
Aside from this I had my own little rolling station at home with the gardner sized tables large and small for many years with a kenwood for smaller paste quantities and the deluxe Gardner hand gun which hold 600ml I could in an evening say 3 to 4 hours and in a rhythm could quite easily at a nice steady controlled pace produce between 3.5 to 5Kg boiled and on air dry trays.
Now being bored in lockdown and having sorted the garage out and been right through my fishing kit about half a dozen times I have recently dragged all the rolling kit back out and set up a station again in the garage, I'm not going back to making bait as I haven't the time or inclination so I have been tinkering with small hookbait batches of bait to keep myself occupied but the Gardner gun has my arm pumped up with lactic acid in no time so for the 90 quid the battery gun that was mentioned I ordered one and used it for the first time Sunday night,I did a little four egg mix with liquid feeds/powders/flavour filled the gun up pinged all the sausages out in no time or effort weighed the bait this morning before work and there was 750g of finished bait, was all done in less than an hour from weighing it all out mixing, rolling, boiled and washed up the utensils and equipment and sat back down having a coffee.
I was impressed with the small battery gun wish I had one 20 odd years ago same sized cylinder as the Gardner which I just screwed the Gardner plastic end straight onto it as that has the end that takes the screw in cox nozzles that I had all precut from years before, If its a few kilos here and there it is more than adequate and cheap on the pocket, if you want to get into larger scale rolling I guess you have to weigh it up as in time over cost do you have somewhere to do it as in not living in a block of flats, are you going to roll 20/30 kilo a season for yourself over a few evenings a month/every other week then a battery gun will suffice or are you rolling 50+ kilo in a season spread over quite a few evenings then still potentially a battery gun or air gun whatever suits.
Aside from this I had my own little rolling station at home with the gardner sized tables large and small for many years with a kenwood for smaller paste quantities and the deluxe Gardner hand gun which hold 600ml I could in an evening say 3 to 4 hours and in a rhythm could quite easily at a nice steady controlled pace produce between 3.5 to 5Kg boiled and on air dry trays.
Now being bored in lockdown and having sorted the garage out and been right through my fishing kit about half a dozen times I have recently dragged all the rolling kit back out and set up a station again in the garage, I'm not going back to making bait as I haven't the time or inclination so I have been tinkering with small hookbait batches of bait to keep myself occupied but the Gardner gun has my arm pumped up with lactic acid in no time so for the 90 quid the battery gun that was mentioned I ordered one and used it for the first time Sunday night,I did a little four egg mix with liquid feeds/powders/flavour filled the gun up pinged all the sausages out in no time or effort weighed the bait this morning before work and there was 750g of finished bait, was all done in less than an hour from weighing it all out mixing, rolling, boiled and washed up the utensils and equipment and sat back down having a coffee.
I was impressed with the small battery gun wish I had one 20 odd years ago same sized cylinder as the Gardner which I just screwed the Gardner plastic end straight onto it as that has the end that takes the screw in cox nozzles that I had all precut from years before, If its a few kilos here and there it is more than adequate and cheap on the pocket, if you want to get into larger scale rolling I guess you have to weigh it up as in time over cost do you have somewhere to do it as in not living in a block of flats, are you going to roll 20/30 kilo a season for yourself over a few evenings a month/every other week then a battery gun will suffice or are you rolling 50+ kilo in a season spread over quite a few evenings then still potentially a battery gun or air gun whatever suits.
In reply to Post #30
Ryobi one+ system I guess. Great for DIY/car building but not for bait making then
Ryobi one+ system I guess. Great for DIY/car building but not for bait making then
In reply to Post #31
The other evening I did find myself sketching out a new barrel and plunger design for these cheap electric guns that would take circa 2kg loads. I reckon it would/could work but I got over that silly idea and threw the sketch away after I got it out my system
The other evening I did find myself sketching out a new barrel and plunger design for these cheap electric guns that would take circa 2kg loads. I reckon it would/could work but I got over that silly idea and threw the sketch away after I got it out my system
In reply to Post #32
I have a ryobi, literally cant remember the last time i charged the batt, only use for popups etc now tho but even when i started using it for a few kg charge would last forever. Just got fed up of it only taking about 300g mix at a time
I have a ryobi, literally cant remember the last time i charged the batt, only use for popups etc now tho but even when i started using it for a few kg charge would last forever. Just got fed up of it only taking about 300g mix at a time
In reply to Post #28
I like your approach Wayne, regarding the cat litter tray I got a tray from a local garden centre, it's about 2ft square x 2 inches high, fit's nicely under my Gardner rolling table's they come in all shapes and sizes, just a thought, it may help, or not.
I like your approach Wayne, regarding the cat litter tray I got a tray from a local garden centre, it's about 2ft square x 2 inches high, fit's nicely under my Gardner rolling table's they come in all shapes and sizes, just a thought, it may help, or not.
In reply to Post #35
My large roller tables mount on a slopped board with a slot for a seed tray under it. One gun load is rolled out, then the try is emptied in the boiler and whilst they boil I load the gun up ready to start the next load. Out the boiler and onto the drying rack and then I roll out the next gun load.
A bit like this but I find a shallow angle more comfortable to use with a big old wallpaper brush to flick off any baits that don't roll off. https://youtu.be/BgplP7DjZ9U
My large roller tables mount on a slopped board with a slot for a seed tray under it. One gun load is rolled out, then the try is emptied in the boiler and whilst they boil I load the gun up ready to start the next load. Out the boiler and onto the drying rack and then I roll out the next gun load.
A bit like this but I find a shallow angle more comfortable to use with a big old wallpaper brush to flick off any baits that don't roll off. https://youtu.be/BgplP7DjZ9U
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In reply to Post #37
That's the kiddy. Do you find that angle a bit steep. I had mine set shallower than that years ago. Doesn't that make your arms ache?
That's the kiddy. Do you find that angle a bit steep. I had mine set shallower than that years ago. Doesn't that make your arms ache?
In reply to Post #32
I have Ryobi in my head, it might have been something different. I don't know, was quite a while back. What I do remember, it really got on my nerves...did I mention it got on my nerves before
I have Ryobi in my head, it might have been something different. I don't know, was quite a while back. What I do remember, it really got on my nerves...did I mention it got on my nerves before
In reply to Post #27
Even a manual gun would be fine. I don't roll big batches, preferring to roll fresh for each session, and can do 2.5kg of mixed sizes plus dumbbells using manual gun, standard width rolling table, small Bosch dough mixer and a small chip pan in around 2hours start to finish including boiling. Like smurf says a little production line is key. I mix in small 4 egg batches, while the first is being rolled and boiled a second is resting and a third is in the mixer. A big gun is basically useless unless every bit of you equipment is equally as capable
Even a manual gun would be fine. I don't roll big batches, preferring to roll fresh for each session, and can do 2.5kg of mixed sizes plus dumbbells using manual gun, standard width rolling table, small Bosch dough mixer and a small chip pan in around 2hours start to finish including boiling. Like smurf says a little production line is key. I mix in small 4 egg batches, while the first is being rolled and boiled a second is resting and a third is in the mixer. A big gun is basically useless unless every bit of you equipment is equally as capable
In reply to Post #38
No not at all Wayne but then 3 to 5 kilo was about the maximum I ever used to make, at the angle its set and because I regularly oil the table 95% of the time when I lift the bottom of the table after rolling they just drop out saves having to brush them out everytime.
No not at all Wayne but then 3 to 5 kilo was about the maximum I ever used to make, at the angle its set and because I regularly oil the table 95% of the time when I lift the bottom of the table after rolling they just drop out saves having to brush them out everytime.