In reply to Post #27
You admit ringing the fishery and asking for a reschedule or your money back. You also asked if "any body else has had any problems".
In my view that indicates you see it as an entitlement to a refund or a reschedule. If not, why did you ring them and ask?
The "problem" is with the anglers now I am afraid. Whereas the previous issue with lockdown the "problem" was with the fishery.
It seems you have decided to go, probably because you couldn't get a reschedule. But the fact is you asked for one initially, then posted on here complaining it was a "problem" .
As I said, I never post on here but felt compelled to defend the fishery owners as an angler.
There are some fisheries that I am aware of that refused to reschedule or provide a refund for trips that were impossible during the lockdown. That's is also wrong.
But the fact is your trip is possible, demonstrated by the fact you are now going! So why complain?
You admit ringing the fishery and asking for a reschedule or your money back. You also asked if "any body else has had any problems".
In my view that indicates you see it as an entitlement to a refund or a reschedule. If not, why did you ring them and ask?
The "problem" is with the anglers now I am afraid. Whereas the previous issue with lockdown the "problem" was with the fishery.
It seems you have decided to go, probably because you couldn't get a reschedule. But the fact is you asked for one initially, then posted on here complaining it was a "problem" .
As I said, I never post on here but felt compelled to defend the fishery owners as an angler.
There are some fisheries that I am aware of that refused to reschedule or provide a refund for trips that were impossible during the lockdown. That's is also wrong.
But the fact is your trip is possible, demonstrated by the fact you are now going! So why complain?
In reply to Post #28
Sorry but you are wrong, there is no insurance available against fishkills.
Sorry but you are wrong, there is no insurance available against fishkills.
In reply to Post #31
slayer your making it personal against me and trying to start a row with me
slayer your making it personal against me and trying to start a row with me
In reply to Post #32
Fair enough, l didn't know that. It's difficult and l still don't think all the risk should fall on the angler. Can fishery owners not have insurance in place for unprecedented circumstances like this in the future?
Fair enough, l didn't know that. It's difficult and l still don't think all the risk should fall on the angler. Can fishery owners not have insurance in place for unprecedented circumstances like this in the future?
In reply to Post #34
theres no right or wrong no one really for saw covid coming
no one would of thought of getting insurance to cover a pandemic fishery owners or anglers
theres no right or wrong no one really for saw covid coming
no one would of thought of getting insurance to cover a pandemic fishery owners or anglers
In reply to Post #34
Why is it that you seem to think a fishing holiday is any different to a family holiday? If you booked a family holiday then you'd insure it wouldn't you? That way, the risk falls on the insurer. I understand the upset and loss that some anglers may suffer but this is something the Govt. are doing to you. Some anglers are deciding to go on their trips and some less fortunate are deciding not to, probably because their circumstances don't allow. But, simply, this is a case of somebody not turning up and leaving a lake with an empty swim that they cannot sell.
Why is it that you seem to think a fishing holiday is any different to a family holiday? If you booked a family holiday then you'd insure it wouldn't you? That way, the risk falls on the insurer. I understand the upset and loss that some anglers may suffer but this is something the Govt. are doing to you. Some anglers are deciding to go on their trips and some less fortunate are deciding not to, probably because their circumstances don't allow. But, simply, this is a case of somebody not turning up and leaving a lake with an empty swim that they cannot sell.
In reply to Post #33
It's your thread!
I'm not making it personal. You asked the question initially.
I am just giving my views.
As I have said, it's not about blame,or "right or wrong" but risk allocation. If you think about it in those terms the answer is obvious.
It's your thread!
I'm not making it personal. You asked the question initially.
I am just giving my views.
As I have said, it's not about blame,or "right or wrong" but risk allocation. If you think about it in those terms the answer is obvious.
In reply to Post #35
That is what insurance is, it is protection against the unexpected.
That is what insurance is, it is protection against the unexpected.
not sure if anyone has seen this ? or even if true ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHikTpZzGNA
In reply to Post #34
And as for "insurance", again people see this as a bottomless pit of money
Insurance companies are commercial enterprises as well.
If everybody was insured against these issues then insurance companies would soon no longer exist!
And as for "insurance", again people see this as a bottomless pit of money
Insurance companies are commercial enterprises as well.
If everybody was insured against these issues then insurance companies would soon no longer exist!
In reply to Post #40
100%, multi billion £ insurance companies aren't a bottomless pit, nor are lake businesses. Why are they being expected to be the risk holder of last resort.?
100%, multi billion £ insurance companies aren't a bottomless pit, nor are lake businesses. Why are they being expected to be the risk holder of last resort.?
In reply to Post #39
Load of nonsense....France has not yet announced any quarantine rulings for Brits and if it does happen it is likely that like last time it will be voluntary and not mandatory.
Load of nonsense....France has not yet announced any quarantine rulings for Brits and if it does happen it is likely that like last time it will be voluntary and not mandatory.
In reply to Post #42
hope not still planning on setting off on friday morning
hope not still planning on setting off on friday morning
In reply to Post #41
I think it is because people these days live in expectation of being "protected" from everything.
We have a society where there is litle understanding or acceptance of risks and or decisions, and the consequences that flows therefrom.
The population generally supported lockdown, but now that it is clear that the consequences of all of this will effect them directly, be it losing a holiday, or losing their job, I gauge that there is less support.
As I said, there s a general attitude that if its "not my fault" somebody else has to pay or make the losses good.
Some things are just nobody's fault and we all need to be grown up and look at the situation and see where the loss and consequences fall. People are generally not prepared to do that, there is an attitude that somebody is always to "blame".
Covid (or more precisely the consequences of the decions made by Governments around the works as a result of Covid) is just one of those situations where we all need to be adults and accept that we will all lose, one way or another, some more than others. Just the way it is I am afraid.
I think it is because people these days live in expectation of being "protected" from everything.
We have a society where there is litle understanding or acceptance of risks and or decisions, and the consequences that flows therefrom.
The population generally supported lockdown, but now that it is clear that the consequences of all of this will effect them directly, be it losing a holiday, or losing their job, I gauge that there is less support.
As I said, there s a general attitude that if its "not my fault" somebody else has to pay or make the losses good.
Some things are just nobody's fault and we all need to be grown up and look at the situation and see where the loss and consequences fall. People are generally not prepared to do that, there is an attitude that somebody is always to "blame".
Covid (or more precisely the consequences of the decions made by Governments around the works as a result of Covid) is just one of those situations where we all need to be adults and accept that we will all lose, one way or another, some more than others. Just the way it is I am afraid.
In reply to Post #36
I didn't......??? . All I'm saying is these are exceptional and unprecedented circumstances and that perhaps, lake owners as well as anglers need to protect themselves at least in the future.
Do you know anyone who has successfully claimed back the cost of a fishing trip? Given the current circumstances I would be very surprised if any insurance company would pay out if you are still able to travel to the lake and fish. It's no one's fault. and I just don't think it's right the burden of risk should be placed 100% on anglers.
There's no easy solution to this and one of the things wrong with life today is we all want easy solutions to difficult problems. I'm just asking a question, that's all.
I didn't......??? . All I'm saying is these are exceptional and unprecedented circumstances and that perhaps, lake owners as well as anglers need to protect themselves at least in the future.
Do you know anyone who has successfully claimed back the cost of a fishing trip? Given the current circumstances I would be very surprised if any insurance company would pay out if you are still able to travel to the lake and fish. It's no one's fault. and I just don't think it's right the burden of risk should be placed 100% on anglers.
There's no easy solution to this and one of the things wrong with life today is we all want easy solutions to difficult problems. I'm just asking a question, that's all.