In reply to Post #333
Of course you are right but we can't let that dictate the future and hold us all to ransom surely?
Of course you are right but we can't let that dictate the future and hold us all to ransom surely?
In reply to Post #334
100% agree...
100% agree...
In reply to Post #334
UK GP on the radio this morning saying a third of the patients he sees are people suffering with mental health issues due to the past 12 months of restrictions and lockdowns.
UK GP on the radio this morning saying a third of the patients he sees are people suffering with mental health issues due to the past 12 months of restrictions and lockdowns.
In reply to Post #336
Not being able to go on a foreign holiday is unlikely to cause depression.
Being in lockdown is.
By allowing foreign travel we significantly increase the risk of importing a varriant that is more contagious or less resistant to vaccination or both. Hence we significantly increase the risk of another lockdown.
The uk, by way if its brilliant Vaccination program got ahead of this disease. Almost more so than any other country. All we had to do was sit tight and wait for the rest of the world to catch up and get their population vaccinated, and as they did so we could add them to the green list. Whilst we waited, life on this island could have returned to relative normality. No lockdowns, no restrictions etc. All we couldn't do was to travel outside the uk. Not much of a price to pay in my view.
Catch more English carp. Go on Holiday to Devon, Cornwall, or Norfolk or wherever in the UK! Forr maybe a year. So what?
But no, we had to risk all of that so a few selfish people think they have the right to decide the risk for all of us for a suntan or some fish.
It is foreign travel that imported the disease, it is foreign travel that brought the SA and indian variant in.
By example look at Australia and NZ: they have had very strict border closures from the start. They have had a few short but strict lockdowns, but have controlled entry and thus reduced the risk. Life inside both those countries has been relatively normal for months.
We just cant seem to learn from our own history and other examples .
By having red or green countries only, as a country comes within our sphere of vaccination numbers and case numbers we can add them to the green list provided their rules of entry are similar . Its not that difficult and its not really much of a scarfice in my view.
It is also the quickest way out of this. In the long run.
Not being able to go on a foreign holiday is unlikely to cause depression.
Being in lockdown is.
By allowing foreign travel we significantly increase the risk of importing a varriant that is more contagious or less resistant to vaccination or both. Hence we significantly increase the risk of another lockdown.
The uk, by way if its brilliant Vaccination program got ahead of this disease. Almost more so than any other country. All we had to do was sit tight and wait for the rest of the world to catch up and get their population vaccinated, and as they did so we could add them to the green list. Whilst we waited, life on this island could have returned to relative normality. No lockdowns, no restrictions etc. All we couldn't do was to travel outside the uk. Not much of a price to pay in my view.
Catch more English carp. Go on Holiday to Devon, Cornwall, or Norfolk or wherever in the UK! Forr maybe a year. So what?
But no, we had to risk all of that so a few selfish people think they have the right to decide the risk for all of us for a suntan or some fish.
It is foreign travel that imported the disease, it is foreign travel that brought the SA and indian variant in.
By example look at Australia and NZ: they have had very strict border closures from the start. They have had a few short but strict lockdowns, but have controlled entry and thus reduced the risk. Life inside both those countries has been relatively normal for months.
We just cant seem to learn from our own history and other examples .
By having red or green countries only, as a country comes within our sphere of vaccination numbers and case numbers we can add them to the green list provided their rules of entry are similar . Its not that difficult and its not really much of a scarfice in my view.
It is also the quickest way out of this. In the long run.
In reply to Post #337
That's me done on the subject, i give up.........another suntan and fish comment.
Do you honestly think this is going away? You accuse everyone of being naive and yet you have your head so far in the sand you'll have an Australian accent!!! We could be in lockdown for 20 years with food delivered to our house and this thing would reappear as soon as we did. Variants and mutations are a natural and inevitable trait of most viruses of this nature. You are deluded i'm afraid....my sister, who i speak to regularly, lives in NZ and yes they are all running around partying but the second they open up, as their economy will dictate, they will be back to square one. Travel and trade are part of our everyday life which is unsustainable without it. Please stop day dreaming that we can sweat this out and it will go away because it won't. The quicker we put plans in place to live with this the better. The only virus we've beaten is smallpox!!! Didn't see you hiding behind your couch calling everyone selfish because of the Marburg virus, Ebola, Rabies, HIV, Hantavirus, Influenza, Dengue, Rotavirus, Sars-cov, Sars Cov-2, Mers-Cov etc etc. This stuff lives among us on a daily basis in various forms day in day out.........now, i'm going fishing in England with the other 70 anglers on my syndicate!!!!
That's me done on the subject, i give up.........another suntan and fish comment.
Do you honestly think this is going away? You accuse everyone of being naive and yet you have your head so far in the sand you'll have an Australian accent!!! We could be in lockdown for 20 years with food delivered to our house and this thing would reappear as soon as we did. Variants and mutations are a natural and inevitable trait of most viruses of this nature. You are deluded i'm afraid....my sister, who i speak to regularly, lives in NZ and yes they are all running around partying but the second they open up, as their economy will dictate, they will be back to square one. Travel and trade are part of our everyday life which is unsustainable without it. Please stop day dreaming that we can sweat this out and it will go away because it won't. The quicker we put plans in place to live with this the better. The only virus we've beaten is smallpox!!! Didn't see you hiding behind your couch calling everyone selfish because of the Marburg virus, Ebola, Rabies, HIV, Hantavirus, Influenza, Dengue, Rotavirus, Sars-cov, Sars Cov-2, Mers-Cov etc etc. This stuff lives among us on a daily basis in various forms day in day out.........now, i'm going fishing in England with the other 70 anglers on my syndicate!!!!
In reply to Post #337
As you say....by going abroad we risk bringing a variant back. But that is never going to change. Covid is not going to disappear. So your logic would dictate we never travel again, just to be on the safe side😂. Vaccinate every man, woman and child and keep borders closed. We can then all live happily ever after 😂😂😂
As you say....by going abroad we risk bringing a variant back. But that is never going to change. Covid is not going to disappear. So your logic would dictate we never travel again, just to be on the safe side😂. Vaccinate every man, woman and child and keep borders closed. We can then all live happily ever after 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #337
But even with Australia strict border control and quarentine rules the Indian variant still got there.
The vaccines work it's been proven in real world trials not just lab so it's now time to live with this disease and get on with life
But even with Australia strict border control and quarentine rules the Indian variant still got there.
The vaccines work it's been proven in real world trials not just lab so it's now time to live with this disease and get on with life
In reply to Post #338
All that is required is a bit of patience once everyone is vaccinated.
That wont take 20 years, or 20 months, probably not even 20 weeks.
I am not advocating we stay in lockdown. READ WHAT I SAID.
I am suggesting that foriegn travel be suspended and gradually released as countries become vaccinated.
Meanwhile we can come completely out of lockdown. Everyone and everything can open here domestically.
You have deliberately misrepresented what i said to sensationalise your position . Its not all or nothing, lockdown or fully open, just a gradual opening of foreign
travel. Meanwhile everything else can open here.
All that is required is a bit of patience once everyone is vaccinated.
That wont take 20 years, or 20 months, probably not even 20 weeks.
I am not advocating we stay in lockdown. READ WHAT I SAID.
I am suggesting that foriegn travel be suspended and gradually released as countries become vaccinated.
Meanwhile we can come completely out of lockdown. Everyone and everything can open here domestically.
You have deliberately misrepresented what i said to sensationalise your position . Its not all or nothing, lockdown or fully open, just a gradual opening of foreign
travel. Meanwhile everything else can open here.
Although I totally agree what you say it's impossible to vaccinate everyone as some will /are refusing the jab
In reply to Post #341
And, as you pointed out yourself, a variant comes along that vaccines don't protect against? What's your solution then? Go through the whole lockdown for 2,3,6 or 12 months again?
And, as you pointed out yourself, a variant comes along that vaccines don't protect against? What's your solution then? Go through the whole lockdown for 2,3,6 or 12 months again?
In reply to Post #341
I agree with your totally common sense stance, once all want it have had the 2nd jab, we can then start to open up our borders etc.
I agree with your totally common sense stance, once all want it have had the 2nd jab, we can then start to open up our borders etc.
In reply to Post #313
Im actually more peeved about the not being able to take my own meat for the legendary BBQ's i do
All depends if your willing to take the risk by the sounds of it Joss.
Spoke with a few I know that went out this weekend just gone they said they checked in the booth at Tunnel with card straight round no checks and on the train, also stated there were about another 20 vans with anglers going over, they took all their own food and 70 kilo's of boilies good job they never got checked eh.
Im actually more peeved about the not being able to take my own meat for the legendary BBQ's i do
All depends if your willing to take the risk by the sounds of it Joss.
Spoke with a few I know that went out this weekend just gone they said they checked in the booth at Tunnel with card straight round no checks and on the train, also stated there were about another 20 vans with anglers going over, they took all their own food and 70 kilo's of boilies good job they never got checked eh.
In reply to Post #345
not overly keen on taking the risk if im honest mate
not overly keen on taking the risk if im honest mate
Had me second jab today and looking forward to going later on in the year what with all those extra spaces left by the anti vacc brigade. Get in 
From the numbers I'm hoping France will be in the green by late July.... as long as they get a 4th wave with the Indian strain.....
From the numbers I'm hoping France will be in the green by late July.... as long as they get a 4th wave with the Indian strain.....
In reply to Post #328
Thanks. That's good to know.
Thanks. That's good to know.