For what it's worth, I'm happy to see fisheries anywhere/everywhere ban the creation/abomination. Surely its better for a fishery to ban it in a pre emptive move to eliminate the risk of POTENTIAL issues with snagging or fouling before any more damage to mouths occur?? We all know of trailers in venues that can cause horrendous scarring etc...let's NOT risk contributing to the threat!
In reply to Post #307
I think as a salesman, Ali deserves some credit. He could literally sell ice to Eskimos..... or in this case, magic twigs to noddys.
I think as a salesman, Ali deserves some credit. He could literally sell ice to Eskimos..... or in this case, magic twigs to noddys.
In reply to Post #305
They have obviously formed a subsidiary company.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/2mdpRfWoamv95jRGZ7Jn90Y-TrU/appointments
They have obviously formed a subsidiary company.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/2mdpRfWoamv95jRGZ7Jn90Y-TrU/appointments
In reply to Post #309
Companies often have a different online trading name.
Companies often have a different online trading name.
In reply to Post #308
Not disputing his ability to sell one bit, but I wasn't questioning that. My concern lies with potential issues arising from its use and the wise IMO move for fisheries to ban it before release.
Not disputing his ability to sell one bit, but I wasn't questioning that. My concern lies with potential issues arising from its use and the wise IMO move for fisheries to ban it before release.
In reply to Post #311
This is the thing, our hobby / the industry doesn't need good salesmen. It needs good products.
This is the thing, our hobby / the industry doesn't need good salesmen. It needs good products.
In reply to Post #312
Agreed but there's so many gullible people out there attracted to fishing by gadgets, social media and shiny toys.
Agreed but there's so many gullible people out there attracted to fishing by gadgets, social media and shiny toys.
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/news/stories/carp-angling-community-divided-over-omcs-recently-revealed-magic-twig-product/#
Angling Times article which puts both sides of the argument without hysteria.
Just for balance.
Angling Times article which puts both sides of the argument without hysteria.
Just for balance.
In reply to Post #314
OK I've changed my mind.
I've got my GPS bait boat, fish finder, drone, underwater camera and now this.
Just need something to reel in and land the fish and the jobs a goodun
OK I've changed my mind.
I've got my GPS bait boat, fish finder, drone, underwater camera and now this.
Just need something to reel in and land the fish and the jobs a goodun
In reply to Post #315
there are electric reels available to sea anglers so have the reeling in problem solved there
there are electric reels available to sea anglers so have the reeling in problem solved there
In reply to Post #315
Read my post 171
Just trying to add balance with the AT article and reduce the amount of foam and spittle flying about.
Also good debates on Maggot Drowners, carp squad and Barbel Fishing World amongst others.
Read my post 171
Just trying to add balance with the AT article and reduce the amount of foam and spittle flying about.
Also good debates on Maggot Drowners, carp squad and Barbel Fishing World amongst others.
In reply to Post #317
The only debate is around the ethics of an automatic hooking rig. That's an interesting debate. Would I use one, no.....but I would have done when I was younger and hungrier. There's arguments on both sides.
There's no debating this magic twig though. It's a terrible product. It will rip fish mouths in the mesh.....NO DOUBT of it.
What will kill the product sadly isn't the ethics re fish damage m, it will be the fact that it just doesn't work and has to be pva taped before every cast.
The only debate is around the ethics of an automatic hooking rig. That's an interesting debate. Would I use one, no.....but I would have done when I was younger and hungrier. There's arguments on both sides.
There's no debating this magic twig though. It's a terrible product. It will rip fish mouths in the mesh.....NO DOUBT of it.
What will kill the product sadly isn't the ethics re fish damage m, it will be the fact that it just doesn't work and has to be pva taped before every cast.
In reply to Post #317
Sorry although I replied to your post my comments weren't directed at you and yes you had already said what I said in171
Thanks for the link
Sorry although I replied to your post my comments weren't directed at you and yes you had already said what I said in171
Thanks for the link
https://carpsquad.com/one-more-cast-magic-twig/?utm_content=cmp-true
This is another article as mention in post 314
This addresses both sides of the issue also. What is particularly interesting is the writers assessment of the followers of innovation and ‘improvements' (his words not mine) in carp angling versus the view of old school anglers who been around a while and don't buy in to the ‘catch at any cost' viewpoint.
The safety concerns are bullet point also. Quite a well written article
This is another article as mention in post 314
This addresses both sides of the issue also. What is particularly interesting is the writers assessment of the followers of innovation and ‘improvements' (his words not mine) in carp angling versus the view of old school anglers who been around a while and don't buy in to the ‘catch at any cost' viewpoint.
The safety concerns are bullet point also. Quite a well written article
Can't help thinking that Mr Hamidi will be grinning at the fact that this thread runs to 8 pages after just a few days.
This gadget 'strikes' for the angler, and as such is unethical? Really? Isn't that just an evolution of what most modern rigs do already?
I can only speak for myself, but I haven't 'struck' a run for years. I dash to the rod (probably unnecessarily when not fishing near snags), pick up the rod and tighten the spool. Maybe everyone else is sitting next to their rods striking at any movement of the line where it enters the water, but I doubt it.
I first heard the whole 'unethical' argument in the late 70s/early 80s when the idea of bite alarms was viewed with outrage by some. I'm sure the same eye rolling and tutting took place with the introduction of monofilament lines, the fixed spool reel, and all the way back to the first metal hook - I'm sure they were viewed as cheating by the hooks-carved-out-of-snail-shell KIR brigade.
I can't imagine Ali Hamidi flogging something which would really put fish in danger. Like him or loathe him, he's not satan.
What are the chances of 'a design tweak to address concerns' which sees the arms snap off as soon as they get bent back a fraction. Very few would survive the landing of a fish, and they're five quid each. Fish care and turnover guaranteed!
This gadget 'strikes' for the angler, and as such is unethical? Really? Isn't that just an evolution of what most modern rigs do already?
I can only speak for myself, but I haven't 'struck' a run for years. I dash to the rod (probably unnecessarily when not fishing near snags), pick up the rod and tighten the spool. Maybe everyone else is sitting next to their rods striking at any movement of the line where it enters the water, but I doubt it.
I first heard the whole 'unethical' argument in the late 70s/early 80s when the idea of bite alarms was viewed with outrage by some. I'm sure the same eye rolling and tutting took place with the introduction of monofilament lines, the fixed spool reel, and all the way back to the first metal hook - I'm sure they were viewed as cheating by the hooks-carved-out-of-snail-shell KIR brigade.
I can't imagine Ali Hamidi flogging something which would really put fish in danger. Like him or loathe him, he's not satan.
What are the chances of 'a design tweak to address concerns' which sees the arms snap off as soon as they get bent back a fraction. Very few would survive the landing of a fish, and they're five quid each. Fish care and turnover guaranteed!