In reply to Post #303
without restrictions and without health requirements." - that is not what I read in our news... only for vaccinated or those with neg test. It looks like it is all a big blur at the moment.
without restrictions and without health requirements." - that is not what I read in our news... only for vaccinated or those with neg test. It looks like it is all a big blur at the moment.
A bit silly for Spain to say that (if true) as it could open all sorts of problems
In reply to Post #305
For me the issue is not the travel to any country, it is our Governments requirement that you must self isolate for ten days on your return from an amber country.
Until that is no longer a requirement I don't see how foreign travel is feasible for the majority.
For me the issue is not the travel to any country, it is our Governments requirement that you must self isolate for ten days on your return from an amber country.
Until that is no longer a requirement I don't see how foreign travel is feasible for the majority.
In reply to Post #306
The simple truth is that people are not observing the 10 day quarantine period upon returning.
If you read the rules you should be in a room on your own in your home. Using separate kitchen and bathroom facilities!!!!
People are either ignoring it entirely , or mixing with others in their household (because lets face it, who has that kind of space/facilities?) . The others then go out into the community and spread any infection. Thats how the indian variant has spread. (Before India was in red zone).
If Government doesn't want us going to amber countries then the same rules as red countries should apply. Ie Hotel quarantine - (albeit thats a farce as passengers are mixing upon arrival).
Personally it was always clear to me that travel to amber countries for leisure purposes is not permitted. But then its not illegal either. Which is nonsense (see below).
I think if we just have plane red and green some of the countries that are currently amber would be moved into Green, that probably includes France and probably Spain also.
That way its clear. You can either go with no restrictions, (Green) this end (you will still need to comply with the designated countries entry requirements) or you can only go if you can prove a real urgent need and will have to enter hotel quarantine upon your return eturn to UK(red).
That will move any "grey" area concerning amber countries.
Personally i think this is where this is all heading. But not until the autumn!
The simple truth is that people are not observing the 10 day quarantine period upon returning.
If you read the rules you should be in a room on your own in your home. Using separate kitchen and bathroom facilities!!!!
People are either ignoring it entirely , or mixing with others in their household (because lets face it, who has that kind of space/facilities?) . The others then go out into the community and spread any infection. Thats how the indian variant has spread. (Before India was in red zone).
If Government doesn't want us going to amber countries then the same rules as red countries should apply. Ie Hotel quarantine - (albeit thats a farce as passengers are mixing upon arrival).
Personally it was always clear to me that travel to amber countries for leisure purposes is not permitted. But then its not illegal either. Which is nonsense (see below).
I think if we just have plane red and green some of the countries that are currently amber would be moved into Green, that probably includes France and probably Spain also.
That way its clear. You can either go with no restrictions, (Green) this end (you will still need to comply with the designated countries entry requirements) or you can only go if you can prove a real urgent need and will have to enter hotel quarantine upon your return eturn to UK(red).
That will move any "grey" area concerning amber countries.
Personally i think this is where this is all heading. But not until the autumn!
In reply to Post #307
Agree scrap the amber simple green or red can or cant go no grey area straight forward
Agree scrap the amber simple green or red can or cant go no grey area straight forward
Totally agree with the two previous posts.
In reply to Post #307
Agree with this 100% , we have put our trip off again for a further year thanks to an understanding lake owner, but to read some of the Facebook sites it's as if COVID doesn't exist, you can tell from the comments they will not isolate it on there return, and freely spread any new variants around, it appears one weeks fishing is worth the risk of life and not just there own.
Agree with this 100% , we have put our trip off again for a further year thanks to an understanding lake owner, but to read some of the Facebook sites it's as if COVID doesn't exist, you can tell from the comments they will not isolate it on there return, and freely spread any new variants around, it appears one weeks fishing is worth the risk of life and not just there own.
In reply to Post #310
And i am also aware that some lake owners are actually encouraging anglers to travel!
Thats not necessarily a pop at lake owners. I mean who can blame them, they must be in desperate financial situations?
But with the unclear amber category it alllows interpretation, and a combination of not fully reading the rules ("you should not travel to amber countries for leisure purposes" but its not illegal to do so?!!?
) allows either lack of understanding of the rules or personal financial desperation to cloud their judgement.
I have had several conversations with some anglers who respond
"(name of lake owner) says it will be ok"
Indeed some have even gone on Facebook or their website confirming travel is all ok and advertising the availability of covid tests.
As i said i am not having a go at the owners. The ambiguity has caused this.
Jesus, even Ryanair, TUI and other big travel companies have done it!!
Red/Green only removes this ambiguous category 'that you can kinda go but should not go' nonsense.
I also think that if there were just 2 categories france would likely to be green anyway! And if its not we definitely should not be going.
And i am also aware that some lake owners are actually encouraging anglers to travel!
Thats not necessarily a pop at lake owners. I mean who can blame them, they must be in desperate financial situations?
But with the unclear amber category it alllows interpretation, and a combination of not fully reading the rules ("you should not travel to amber countries for leisure purposes" but its not illegal to do so?!!?
) allows either lack of understanding of the rules or personal financial desperation to cloud their judgement.I have had several conversations with some anglers who respond
"(name of lake owner) says it will be ok"
Indeed some have even gone on Facebook or their website confirming travel is all ok and advertising the availability of covid tests.
As i said i am not having a go at the owners. The ambiguity has caused this.
Jesus, even Ryanair, TUI and other big travel companies have done it!!
Red/Green only removes this ambiguous category 'that you can kinda go but should not go' nonsense.
I also think that if there were just 2 categories france would likely to be green anyway! And if its not we definitely should not be going.
In reply to Post #311
What you say it broadly good and factual however it is important to understand where a lake owner stands in this situation. If you have bookings for the period that France is regarded as an amber category country then it is not for us to make the decision on travel for the anglers. We can only give factual information and try to make a visit to our fishery as painless as possible. If an angler makes the decision that he is willing to travel then for us it is great that after such a long time without income we can start making some sort of living again. If an angler decides that he is unwilling to take an extra 10 days to isolate which is necessary then we can be understanding and reschedule his holiday. We do have the majority of our visitors in the coming month prepared to take the hassle and enjoy a long awaited visit to France and it may be naïve to believe they will all stick to the rules on their return to the UK. Having said that no one has indicated that they will not isolate for the necessary period. On a more realistic note it is worth seeing that when the majority of anglers drive straight from the tunnel/ferry to the lake there really is no more chance to contracting covid than when they are fishing at home. IMO of course.
What you say it broadly good and factual however it is important to understand where a lake owner stands in this situation. If you have bookings for the period that France is regarded as an amber category country then it is not for us to make the decision on travel for the anglers. We can only give factual information and try to make a visit to our fishery as painless as possible. If an angler makes the decision that he is willing to travel then for us it is great that after such a long time without income we can start making some sort of living again. If an angler decides that he is unwilling to take an extra 10 days to isolate which is necessary then we can be understanding and reschedule his holiday. We do have the majority of our visitors in the coming month prepared to take the hassle and enjoy a long awaited visit to France and it may be naïve to believe they will all stick to the rules on their return to the UK. Having said that no one has indicated that they will not isolate for the necessary period. On a more realistic note it is worth seeing that when the majority of anglers drive straight from the tunnel/ferry to the lake there really is no more chance to contracting covid than when they are fishing at home. IMO of course.
In reply to Post #312
When i go, i use the train, drive straight to the lake and back on a tank of fuel, so no need to stop.
Sadly, its going to be very difficult for many of my group to do the 10 day isolation period on return.
hopefully when we go in September, we will know more and things get more relaxed.
Im actually more peeved about the not being able to take my own meat for the legendary BBQ's i do
When i go, i use the train, drive straight to the lake and back on a tank of fuel, so no need to stop.
Sadly, its going to be very difficult for many of my group to do the 10 day isolation period on return.
hopefully when we go in September, we will know more and things get more relaxed.
Im actually more peeved about the not being able to take my own meat for the legendary BBQ's i do
In reply to Post #313
Had the promise of cheap PCR tests been implemented then it would possibly make a trip viable. A test on the way out, free one in France and 2 booked for day 2 and day 8 is currently over £300. If you then decide to take the private test on day 5 (Thursday for most) then that makes 4 tests paid for. If the tests were free or a minimal admin fee then the 4 tests would be financially viable and 2 weeks holiday would give you a week in France and a week's DIY
. I isolated after a 2 week trip last September and stayed in for the whole 10 days and am sure the guidance was that others in your household didn't need to? Can't/won't be doing that again but have 2 weeks booked off around my trip already so if the cost of the PCR test comes down then i will seriously consider going as like others have said i travel alone and do the trip on one tank in the van.
Had the promise of cheap PCR tests been implemented then it would possibly make a trip viable. A test on the way out, free one in France and 2 booked for day 2 and day 8 is currently over £300. If you then decide to take the private test on day 5 (Thursday for most) then that makes 4 tests paid for. If the tests were free or a minimal admin fee then the 4 tests would be financially viable and 2 weeks holiday would give you a week in France and a week's DIY
. I isolated after a 2 week trip last September and stayed in for the whole 10 days and am sure the guidance was that others in your household didn't need to? Can't/won't be doing that again but have 2 weeks booked off around my trip already so if the cost of the PCR test comes down then i will seriously consider going as like others have said i travel alone and do the trip on one tank in the van.
In reply to Post #313
It all seems fairly clear to me, you can legally travel to an amber country and the rules are set for what you need to do on your return. That may not suit some and others may simply not like it but it is what it is.
I appreciate Boris has given some advisories but that is all they are at the moment.
It all seems fairly clear to me, you can legally travel to an amber country and the rules are set for what you need to do on your return. That may not suit some and others may simply not like it but it is what it is.
I appreciate Boris has given some advisories but that is all they are at the moment.
In reply to Post #312
Jim,
I agree with you.
As i said i wasn't having a go at lake owners. And lets be honest (and i am not massaging your ego here (it doesn't need it!) ) you are one of the better ones.
I dont blame anglers or lake owners at all.
My point is that the amber category is frankly b*ll**ks?
Surely it would be better if it was just old plain red or green?
Imagine how much easier it would be for you as an owner if france was green (which if there were just 2 categories I suspect it would be).
This amber and the Governments response to the questions (anybody seen the 2 car crash interviews yesterday with ministers over the amber category?) are like something out of the old TV seies "Yes minister". (people of a certain age will remember that!) :
Minister: "I dont know what to so about travel come May 17th"
Humphry: "Well minister a good old fashioned confusing fudge should remove any possible future liability for us".
Minister: "What do you suggest?"
Humphry: "We will have a category where we initially tell people that they can legally go but with restrictions, then after everyone thinks thay can go, we tell them that they really shouldn't, but its up to them. We wont say yes or no, we will say its" individual responsibility "whilst confusingly saying you shouldn't really do it"
Minister: "Brilliant..."
Humphry: "Yes minister, and if it all goes wrong and we have another wave of covid we can remove any blame on us by saying" we told you not to go" without actually telling people not to go. I'll draw up the rules now minister! "
Its straight from that series, seriously!
Jim,
I agree with you.
As i said i wasn't having a go at lake owners. And lets be honest (and i am not massaging your ego here (it doesn't need it!) ) you are one of the better ones.
I dont blame anglers or lake owners at all.
My point is that the amber category is frankly b*ll**ks?
Surely it would be better if it was just old plain red or green?
Imagine how much easier it would be for you as an owner if france was green (which if there were just 2 categories I suspect it would be).
This amber and the Governments response to the questions (anybody seen the 2 car crash interviews yesterday with ministers over the amber category?) are like something out of the old TV seies "Yes minister". (people of a certain age will remember that!) :
Minister: "I dont know what to so about travel come May 17th"
Humphry: "Well minister a good old fashioned confusing fudge should remove any possible future liability for us".
Minister: "What do you suggest?"
Humphry: "We will have a category where we initially tell people that they can legally go but with restrictions, then after everyone thinks thay can go, we tell them that they really shouldn't, but its up to them. We wont say yes or no, we will say its" individual responsibility "whilst confusingly saying you shouldn't really do it"
Minister: "Brilliant..."
Humphry: "Yes minister, and if it all goes wrong and we have another wave of covid we can remove any blame on us by saying" we told you not to go" without actually telling people not to go. I'll draw up the rules now minister! "
Its straight from that series, seriously!
In reply to Post #315
Well thats your interpretation. Mine is different: Amber countries you should not go for leisure purposes.
It is far from "perfectly clear". Which was the intention of it.
The fact you and others think its clear is worrisome
Well thats your interpretation. Mine is different: Amber countries you should not go for leisure purposes.
It is far from "perfectly clear". Which was the intention of it.
The fact you and others think its clear is worrisome
In reply to Post #317
I think the pertinent word here is the 'should' which really is a nonsense and leaves the choice to the traveler. In life you should not drink to excess, should not eat to much red meat, should not break the speed limit, etc, etc. By leaving the choice open the Government is just washing its hands of any future issues coming out of amber travel.
I think the pertinent word here is the 'should' which really is a nonsense and leaves the choice to the traveler. In life you should not drink to excess, should not eat to much red meat, should not break the speed limit, etc, etc. By leaving the choice open the Government is just washing its hands of any future issues coming out of amber travel.